I checked out June's story. That's not NTR, that's cheating. NTR would be if Liam were cheating on June long distance.
(I say this not to kinkshame or anything, just to clarify).
(I say this not to kinkshame or anything, just to clarify).
Isn't NTR when a person is cheating on their significant other, and cucking them?
I honestly don't know the definitions well enough, but that's as far as I understand it
And if so, June is cheating on Liam, and sorta cucking them
But I did say it's soft NTR
The other girl's story is a clearer case of NTR
Unless NTR is just when a man does that, not the woman? is there a different term when a woman is cheating?
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Just started playing this today and so far, I love that we get more FMC stories. I don't like playing as a male protagonist getting cucked. The only exception to that is a game where I can manually rename the guy she is cheating with, after myself. Do not believe in cheating, irl but in the games, they are either cheating with me or I am just corrupting a FMC(with limitations, no no-con crap).
This is the best "phone" cheating game I have seen to date. That said, Darren better not get any of June. Maybe let him get evidence against the professor with June but then he gets none of June, Lori and June are going to fall in love and share the occasional dick together or form a throuple with Liam. He seems like a genuinely good guy, so he deserves a bit of the girls. Creeps better stay away from my girl.
Played all the other FMC routes, looking forward to more content on their routes.
This is the best "phone" cheating game I have seen to date. That said, Darren better not get any of June. Maybe let him get evidence against the professor with June but then he gets none of June, Lori and June are going to fall in love and share the occasional dick together or form a throuple with Liam. He seems like a genuinely good guy, so he deserves a bit of the girls. Creeps better stay away from my girl.
Played all the other FMC routes, looking forward to more content on their routes.
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OK, I went ahead and played Mai's story, even though that isn't my thing, just to see her pics. I will say thisI am so making sure our dude ends up with Clara and dumping Mai. He seems like a good guy, even if he isn't a stud and looks like Clara is far better for him.
Going to hold off on Annie's story, as that is about all the MC as cuck, unless I am the one doing the cucking to a loser, that I can handle for day.
Going to hold off on Annie's story, as that is about all the MC as cuck, unless I am the one doing the cucking to a loser, that I can handle for day.
The distinction is that (at least for me, opinions may differ) the protagonist should be the one getting cheated on if it's to be classed as Netorare - in the case of June's game, I know basically nothing about Liam and you don't play as him, so it's really just cheating.
Consider a game where a man is the protagonist and he sleeps with multiple women while married. Would you call that Netorare?
It's not gender dependent, if Liam had been cheating on June instead of the other way around it would absolutely be Netorare - but since all you see is the perspective of June, then it's not. She is absolutely cuckolding him, but it has no emotional impact for the player, since we don't play as Liam.
*edit* - I played the other game too (I assume you meant Henry/Emma) and that's an even more clear cut case of just plain old cheating (although almost not since she's in a terrible relationship and should just leave, omg). I didn't play long enough to see what the outcome is but I assume she just sleeps with Landon while possible stringing Henry along?
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I just remembered that another user once told me that netorare is when the player character is getting cheated on, regardless of gender
So you're correct, I just forgot about that
In that case, yes the game is mostly cheating instead of NTR, at least the FMC stories
But I think the MC stories might lean into NTR as well, at least in some paths
Maybe quantifying the NTR of the game is far more subjective, really depending on which choices you make
So do I. The platform is just that a platform. The writing skill separates the good ones from the bad one.
And to clarify, it's absolutely not my intent to criticise the game or anything, it's just that I like playing pure NTR games and this one has no pure NTR paths that I saw. I really don't like NTS so having it lead from that into NTR puts me off entirely unfortunately.
It's mostly semantics though and not going to be important for everyone.
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First of all, for the example you gave, do either of the characters spend time during the adultery lamenting over their relationship with their spouse, and we get to see that? If yes, then it's 100% NTR. Some would call it "reverse NTR" since NTR is traditionally a woman being stolen and not a man, but I don't think that's necessary personally. And in the west here, we'd call the woman a "cuckquean" instead of a "cuckold".
NTR has very little to do with PoV. A lot of NTR stories are told from the perspective of the person being stolen, and the person being cucked is completely sidelined and in some cases literally not present at all. You just know that this person is in a relationship and a different person is inserting themselves between it. Traditionally, the only way you would classify something as just cheating and not NTR is based on if the person committing adultery "catches feelings" or not. Basically, if they are cheating on their S/O just for a physical thing and go right back to being lovey-dovey with their S/O, it's just cheating. If, however, their feelings for S/O begin to wane or their feelings for the bull develop beyond physical, it becomes NTR. Or even if there's hints that their romantic loyalty might start wavering, it will get classified as NTR. Because at the end of the day, NTR is just about the feelings and emotions being created, it is not defined by specific actions.
The only time perspective matters is if the PoV character is the one doing the stealing, in which case it's classified as netori. Or put another way, if BOTH of the people in the cuckold relationship would be qualified as side characters, then it's netori.
I'm sorry but you appear to be confused about some of these terms.
Cuckqueen = A woman in a relationship with a man who is repeatedly cheating on her and she's into the humiliation of it.
Hothusbanding = The same thing except she's actively participating in the sharing. She's not humiliated, she enjoys sharing him with other women.
Neither of those things were going on in the portions of the game I played (and I already pointed out I didn't play the full game as once it veered away from pure NTR I wasn't as interested, that's not a criticism, just a personal choice).
NTR has everything to do with PoV. Netorare as a genre is defined by the narrative focusing on the perspective and emotional fallout for the person being cheated on. Telling the story from the cheater's point of view without exploring the impact on the betrayed party moves it away from the typical characteristics and emotional core of what we define as Netorare.
I don't see how these statements are logically compatible and also, yes, I would class the two female protag stories as Netori.
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Anyway, I didn't come here to argue about the semantics of Netorare so I'll apologise after having said my piece and stop muddying up the thread.
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NTR = Protagonist gets cheated on
TYPE A = Consensual cheating
TYPE B = Corruption
TYPE C = MC's LI never enjoys cheating
NTS = Cuckholding & Swinging
NTI = Protagonist steals other character partner
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I'm going to level with you guys, I'm following a whole slew of game threads withing this very cultured genre. And every day I come back here to read countless posts defining these ill defined Japanese terms that never seem to agree with each other. They are as pointless as they are endless. Truly, I can't wait until reading the next one, in the next thread, today, the next day and every day after.
For the those who run this website, particularly those in charge of the revamping the site's tags, I wish an afterlife of nothing else but reading these innumerable posts, so that they too can experience the same joy as I am.
Anyways, I'm very much liking Mai's story. An insatiable nympho is very fun, and so is an MC that's quite perverted! Annie's story is ok, but I have to see where it goes. I can't get a good read on the protagonist's state of mind quite yet. It's not clear if he's getting any sexual enjoyment from making Annie do these things, though presumably that's his motivation. Annie's angst is quite fun, but sometimes it's too much. Or perhaps MC is pushing her too much, meaning the story is too fast paced? I'm not sure, but look forward to future updates!
I haven't tried much of the stories from the women's perspective, but that's mostly a me-thing. I generally don't play those types of games.
For the those who run this website, particularly those in charge of the revamping the site's tags, I wish an afterlife of nothing else but reading these innumerable posts, so that they too can experience the same joy as I am.
Anyways, I'm very much liking Mai's story. An insatiable nympho is very fun, and so is an MC that's quite perverted! Annie's story is ok, but I have to see where it goes. I can't get a good read on the protagonist's state of mind quite yet. It's not clear if he's getting any sexual enjoyment from making Annie do these things, though presumably that's his motivation. Annie's angst is quite fun, but sometimes it's too much. Or perhaps MC is pushing her too much, meaning the story is too fast paced? I'm not sure, but look forward to future updates!
I haven't tried much of the stories from the women's perspective, but that's mostly a me-thing. I generally don't play those types of games.
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I only mentioned cuckquean in response to your hypothetical. I never implied there was any cuckqueaning involved in the game, sorry if that's what it seemed like.
Again though, netorare has very little to do with PoV. You can read literally decades of NTR manga and doujin where the PoV character is the one cheating. Authors like Shinozuka Yuuji, Ken-1, Ichitaka, Arakure, Aya, Jin, Zonda, Izurumi, the list goes on; all told from the perspective of the one being unfaithful. You can still explore the emotional and physical damage of adultery on the other person without having to be forced into their perspective for it. Also porn is typically more successful when showing the actual porn in it, so showing NTR from the adulterer's perspective gives you the most exposure to explicit scenes.
Games typically don't do this though because it's hard to get the same helpless feeling of losing someone when you're playing the person being lost and making the decisions for them. That's why NTR games overwhelmingly come from the PoV of the betrayed, not the betrayer, to help preserve that sense of loss.
The female stories in this game are not netori at all. They are hooking up with random bachelors, except in Lily's story where she's hooking up with what seems to be a swinger couple(this story so far has zero NTR elements). Emma's has clear hallmarks of NTR elements(although her breaking up with Henry before doing anything with Landon is a soft copout in my opinion) and so does June's (looks like it will be blackmail style NTR with the prof and later the friend's brother). Victoria's feels like it barely scrapes by on any NTR elements; it feels like it's setting up to be mom-NTR except she's topping... also I have no idea if she's still married or not, the story wasn't clear on whether or not she stayed in her relationship all this time.
EDIT: I almost completely forgot one of the big points I was going to make about NTR too, which is that there's a whole subgenre of NTR where the person being cheated on never finds out about the adultery. So even the idea that NTR is focused on the emotions of the person being cheated on is in many cases not at all present, and therefore not reliant on their PoV for anything. Additionally, there's a different subgenre where the person being "cheated" on is not even in a relationship with the person having sex. So it's not cheating at all, but is still NTR (this goes under the subgenre of BSS)
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Just wanted to say, regardless of how either of us feel about it, the future tag list is pretty clear :
| netorare | ✏ | A love interest has sexual contact with someone else without the approval of the protagonist, either voluntarily or from some form of coercion (eg, drugs, mind control, blackmail, rape). If the later, add the relevant coercion tag too |
Do you think Liam is the protagonist in the June story then? Or Henry, in Emma's story?
See also : Anna Karenina.
*edit* - I'm done. This was already way offtopic and I'm not going to continue muddying the thread, this is a ridiculous reach to try and assert that the female protag stories are NTR (at least at the current time, they may change in the future).
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They are deuteragonists for sure, although their proximity to the events of the story make it hard to classically call them a protagonist. Then again, NTR stories typically disrupt the normal structure of a story because by all intents and purposes, the goal is to fail.
EDIT: In thinking a bit more on it, I think I might actually classify Henry as a protagonist, but at this point in time probably not Liam who is still the deuteragonist of their story.
I will say, it would likely be more accurate to change the description to mention the act being done to any primary character rather than just the protagonist. But like I said much earlier, overwhelmingly NTR stories are told from the perspective of the cuckold because that's the best way to convey the proper emotional ideas of loss and jealousy upon the reader/player, and so "protagonist" is right 95% of the time.
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