Silwith
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Lucky for us you aren't the one who decides when something is finished and many many many people are still looking forward to every update and have a lot of fun with it
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A large part of people into NTRS that want to play "dominant" role are majorly insecure and don't know what they want, as long as any guy the girl fucks is anything more than a warm dildo they spiral out but at the same time they want to see situation escalating all the time because that's only way the stakes can remain fresh with warm dildos. They also don't want anything going between the girl and any others that isn't the most mechanical sex where the warm dildo is afforded much personality even when NTRS is all about personality. You can't listen words of people who don't know what they want.
I recommend to develop the scenarios to represent more of the life outside all the sex a bit. It's getting repetitive because now every update is just another bout in the sex ring, would be more fun if there are other things happening like in the early chapters, this includes sex and romance adjacent things like date nights, trips and things like that. Repetitiveness does kill interest in stories.
I'm not trying to discourage the dev or be an asshole, but if you receive a lot of the same type of criticism then it isn't random or meaningless noise. A lot of people feel like "Hey, this is losing steam. It feels like there's no forward progress". It might be useful to think about why that is.Lucky for us you aren't the one who decides when something is finished and many many many people are still looking forward to every update and have a lot of fun with it
A agree, and I get angry often when I think about it. This is the heart of the matter. In order to stabilize this ideal model, there mustn't be much agency on the part of the other participants, the "bulls". I myself have called them in another thread "human dildos". They would endanger the model if they would be allowed to develop possessive feelings or intens emotions. It has to be all of a serene, peaceful "fun" quality.
But I understand more and more through these discussions, that there is a certain normative ideal behind that (see last post of the dev), which cannot allow for these reactions, for a loss of control beyond the mechanical, beyond the mere "fun" into emotional turmoil. We have to respect that as an ideal, as an aim, as a certain conception of sexual relations, even if we don't see it as realistic. I wouldn't want to psychologize the motives behind that as insecurity or playing dominant, but it is a normative project a wish for a kind of sex which is exclusively a positive and peaceful force no matter how much one excalates and frees it from limits.
HoM11
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That is only valid if you know at least approximately the total number of people playing the game and the number of people complaining. Without it you can't say how random or meaningful the complaints are. How many people complained here? 10? 15? Even if only go by Patreon sub numbers (everyone is paying for LeStag's game, right? No pirates here), that's less than 1%.
I agree, if there isn't a little friction, a touch of jealousy or competitiveness or even doubt then it gets too sterile. Yet you have people who think it becomes hard NTR the moment the girl sees the guys as anything more than warm dildos so things can't be but either complete depersonalization of either the girl or the guys where they lose basic human emotions but at the same time become more and more sexually depraved. At which point it is no different than watching two random unrelated pornstars fuck on camera and even those pornstars hold positive or negative opinions or emotions about each other most of the time, why bother with naming them if there is no human element behind the name?
If Le Stag would even choose to let Laura have more of a relationship with any of the guys she fucks beyond meeting up to have sex which may or may not include companionship then I think there would be a lot of backlash. Especially if this would actually include things that could result in friction or jealousy, let alone things like romantic moments between Laura and Nathan and I think not even Le Stag himself wants that since he seems to also want it to be completely certain experience without any questions about emotions.
And no this isn't about turning this game into a full on NTR, I don't want that. It's about having emotional stakes which if there is no risk then there is none, you can't have trust if there is no chance for that trust to be broken in the first place.
Ultimately the game is going to be what the dev wants it to be, and there's no way to please everyone. I personally want more stakes. The overall plot so far is starting to get a bit dull for me, and kind of seems to be dragging, but that might be what the dev is pushing the game towards, who knows? I just hope the dev doesn't put in some fake spice for the sake of having something happen. I overall still enjoy the game, though.
Bro a true Dom person in a relationship doesn't share his gf. I can see why it's difficult to write this path, and CONTINUE to write it. Because it's a lot of choices and content that we won't get in the future if we keep denying her to see others.
You won't get the pictures basically.
Ya know what I mean?
I mean it's easy to write okay I'll spend day with you bf. But like then I guess just share that day to the madhouse friends? I mean it's easy but it's not high stakes ntr.
At one point I'm like hey le stag, the gf sharing kink is all good you did a good job. Can you write a regular relationship though? Just you and the girl thats it. I think you can, you have the talent to be that sort of writer. In your next project I hope. Just a regular romance no sharing whatsoever. I think a lot of us just want an actual girl to message and have a relationship with. Maybe somewhere in life we got cheated on and don't know how to prevent that from happening. In this game though it works, but like.. you see that you had a perfectly good relationship before in the early chapters. Revealed that you went on a camping trip and all that together. It was just an all of a sudden "yeah it would be spicy to see you with other guys when you go out with your friends spontaneously". Then Nathan is like a second bf pretty much. Mike is like okay we're gonna tease you. It's an interesting format for a game, but why not try a more vanilla relationship on your next game to please everybody else who doesn't want to keep going with this ntrs. I wanted to marry Laura at one point playing this, then to finalize some rules and be like okay only Nathan sometimes when I'm super busy. But that won't be happening in the dom route will it? That's why I'm better off playing a different hentai game or seeking a real relationship irl where I hopefully don't get my heart broken again.
You won't get the pictures basically.
Ya know what I mean?
I mean it's easy to write okay I'll spend day with you bf. But like then I guess just share that day to the madhouse friends? I mean it's easy but it's not high stakes ntr.
At one point I'm like hey le stag, the gf sharing kink is all good you did a good job. Can you write a regular relationship though? Just you and the girl thats it. I think you can, you have the talent to be that sort of writer. In your next project I hope. Just a regular romance no sharing whatsoever. I think a lot of us just want an actual girl to message and have a relationship with. Maybe somewhere in life we got cheated on and don't know how to prevent that from happening. In this game though it works, but like.. you see that you had a perfectly good relationship before in the early chapters. Revealed that you went on a camping trip and all that together. It was just an all of a sudden "yeah it would be spicy to see you with other guys when you go out with your friends spontaneously". Then Nathan is like a second bf pretty much. Mike is like okay we're gonna tease you. It's an interesting format for a game, but why not try a more vanilla relationship on your next game to please everybody else who doesn't want to keep going with this ntrs. I wanted to marry Laura at one point playing this, then to finalize some rules and be like okay only Nathan sometimes when I'm super busy. But that won't be happening in the dom route will it? That's why I'm better off playing a different hentai game or seeking a real relationship irl where I hopefully don't get my heart broken again.
I think this image sums up the dilemma. NTS has to always toe the line farther and farther between NTS and some other, too far fetish (often NTR) to keep things interesting. NTR, instead, has the opposite problem, where it needs to always go slower and slower as it gets closer to the finish line because once the cuck is broken, the story is basically over. People are going to be mad if you're not toeing the line because they feel like the plot isn't going anywhere and the MC is regressing away from the tension they enjoy.
TBH I think you've toed the line quite well each update between vanilla NTS and NTR/sharing/corruption to keep things interesting. You've got sort of the Burn Notice style where the first five minutes and last five minutes of each episode are dedicated to the season-long arc while the middle 30 minutes are reserved for the bread-and-butter NTS. It's a delicate balance to achieve and everyone's line is going to lie somewhere different so you're almost never going to satisfy everyone in the same way that Star Periphery is able to (oh wow, the twink got railed by a futa again - what a plot twist!)
NTS is arguably one of the hardest kinks to write for and the community never appreciates that. Even worse, the anti-NTR/NTS community seems worse than every other anti-community on the internet. You're never going to capture the entire NTR/NTS audience as one developer. Not even DPC can and he's got 100x the resources and time you do.
Joshy92
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Dev has over 1700 members in less than a year so he's obviously doing something right.
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But we unfortunately don't know what these people expected when they subscribed. The game is at it's peak now, at it's moment of decision, and as the dev said he has made his decision for better or worse.
That is impressive, indeed.
But we unfortunately don't know what these people expected when they subscribed. The game is at it's peak now, at it's moment of decision, and as the dev said he has made his decision for better or worse.
Kabowa
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While I was disappointed about the previous update. Yesterday's one is a slam dunk!
The chapter with Mike is really well done and sets up some interesting choices, that are tracked in the notes, for future encounters! The reclaiming chapter was also really well done and shows the relationship between MC and Laura.
One thing I liked and had hoped to see more of though, was more character development for the MC. There's this talk at the end of the chapter. Like the chat with Tara in the update before, I really liked it. However I wish it was as bit more than just one reply. Would give the MC a bit more character if we could make it a bit more choices and options for the MC. Digging into his motivations and/or life beyond the one single line.
The chapter with Mike is really well done and sets up some interesting choices, that are tracked in the notes, for future encounters! The reclaiming chapter was also really well done and shows the relationship between MC and Laura.
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One thing I liked and had hoped to see more of though, was more character development for the MC. There's this talk at the end of the chapter. Like the chat with Tara in the update before, I really liked it. However I wish it was as bit more than just one reply. Would give the MC a bit more character if we could make it a bit more choices and options for the MC. Digging into his motivations and/or life beyond the one single line.
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alex220477
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you're right for a good number of points, but if you look at Nathan and Laura today, you can't help but say that they are a couple, NAthan now dominates the scene, when he wants her, she goes, if he wants to photograph her, she goes, they send each other continuous messages, they always chat, LAura when she talks about Nathan has a different warmth, compared to Oliver, compared to Mc too, to Mc, today, she only asks to wait for the reheated second courses, Laura is wrong to ask Mc who to give her ass to first, or to fuck without a condom, those two choices, should not have been considered, they are decisions in favor of Nathan, if LAura wanted to play with Mc, I repeat, play with sharing, then there are acts that she should not have overcome, NTR is not only when another boy takes your girl away, but when THE girl and her bull, decide the rules, and you are there passive, and this also happens in the dominant section, doing something that you have never allowed your boyfriend, breaks the respect and goes beyond the limit of the game, to be honest, here they are so stupid boys that they did not even foresee the limit. But this is my thought.
alex220477
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good for you, but here Mc no longer exists in decisions, in fact, it never existed, you know why, the dev gives us identical options, therefore, if Laura orders us to wait, we have the same answer twice, written differently, but which say the same thing, therefore, you have no choice, as Mc you stay there and wait for your beautiful humiliation, I repeat, the rules have been overcome, therefore, it is an NTR, no longer NTS
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Goated, Also LeStag, im sorry i had to ask here i´ve been a recurring patreon sub for a while but this month im a little tight on money.
Kabowa
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Your rants are getting old and you sound like a broken record.
It's clear you just want LeStag to write NTR cause you twist it all to be that. Ignoring options in the game to skip over stuff and pretending the choices don't make it out to be anything else.
Of course you're not going to have much "freedom" of choices, it's a kinetic novel. Not a sandbox game. It plays out following an exact script and you have the option to skip over stuff you don't like, but for the rest you stick to the script.
Yes Nathan is sometimes too much like a boyfriend, but he isn't even in the last update. The rest of what you keep ranting about is utter nonsense. She offers you her ass, cause as boyfriend you should have first crack (pun intended). Same for creampies. Nathan isn't even this consideration (like it was with condoms, and when he still was the only bull).
And yeah, she talks to her bulls a lot, including Nathan. BECAUSE IT'S A SEX GAME. If you are looking for deep meaningful conversations about the meaning of life and whatnot in a porn game, you clearly are looking in the wrong place. Ofc they are gonna talk about sex. And sex in this game is 80% sex with her bulls.
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Laura says to keep stroking for her while she sleeps with other men. So ofcourse we'll do it. Let's all just be happy that we're "a cuck now" like one of the chapters was titled. Lol