VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.21.2] [Le Stag]

[Dealbreaker]

That's because swinging is just both partners enjoying Netorase.

Grave misunderstanding, with all due respect for your nice game.
In addition to what others have pointed out above about the asymmetrical relationship always implied in NTS:
Take the dynamics of making fucking her raw a privilege, which is denied to the MC, including taking the pill for the new guy, which she never did for the MC before etc. Same with anal. The game is making an effort to establish that. Why throwing that away? You can't replicate these restrictions the other way around, for the female side in a heterosexual dynamic. It would be absurd and wouldn't be the same kind of denial for her if she would allow him to fuck Ashley raw but she couldn't do it with him but with all others. So what? It wouldn't have the NTS-meaning it has the other way around. NTS isn't reciprocial.. "Cuckqueen" isn't really the same thing as cuck (it's essentially being part of a harem), even less so, if she fucks around anyway with all these bulls.
And what effect do restrictions have on either one when they can do anything with everyone else? You would end up with a couple which denies each other raw or anal sex with each other but fuck all the other people how they want. Strange.

NTS depends upon the fact that there is supposed to be a monogamous relationship which one party is allowed to violate, not an open relationship where anything goes to begin with.

 

[Sabantuy]

some suggested content

Loved the game, a few suggestions:

1) A MFF threesome would be nice, for more dominant paths at least - MC+Laura+Ashley, or a random girl from the bar, if Laura lets the MC to have some on the side too.
2) A MMF threesome for more submissive paths, like Laura+Oliver+Nathan
3) Would love a pegging session by Ashley for the very submissive path
4) Some cumkissing experience would be nice too, ser

 

[Turret]

In addition to what others have pointed out above about the asymmetrical relationship always implied in NTS:
Take the dynamics of making fucking her raw a privilege, which is denied to the MC,(snip)

If you do not know what NTS is, keep the ball low, chummer! What you describe is not NTS, but NTR!

 

[Dealbreaker]

If you do not know what NTS is, keep the ball low, chummer! What you describe is not NTS, but NTR!

NTR is him not knowing, NTS is him knowing and consenting. I don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Dealbreaker]

It is not that "easy" a division as you seem to believe. You are describing beta cucks, doormats, a majority of NTS lovers are swingers/Stags and Vixens, where denial is a complete no-go.

You describe two sub-groups who both know and both consent. Both are not NTR and bth are not cheated upon. So my definition of NTS stands. Denial is not necessary, agreed, but appears in a lot of classic NTS games all the time, and here as well, if you have not noticed. The question here is if swingers belong to NTS. I would not say so - totally different dynamic. Maybe go to the origin of these terms in anime etc. Swinger is a western concept, why not use that term?
It seems you want to exclude cucks on normative grounds because you reject that but want to use the NTS. Preferences are not useful for the purpose of classification.

 

[Turret]

ou describe two sub-groups who both know and both consent. Both are not NTR and bth are not cheated upon. So my definition of NTS stands. Denial is not necessary, agreed, but appears in a lot of classic NTS games all the time, and here as well, if you have not noticed.

You are simply going by numbers (a lot of classic NTS, which by the way are often not really NTS, but NTR in disguise), it is not a numbers game!
Denial is ONLY OK for the "subby" segment of the NTS lovers. The "balanced" and Stags/Vixens, which are the majority of NTS lovers by a margin, will give you the longbowman salute if you come up with denial.
And when it comes to games, just a read a couple of NTS game threads. The pet peeve of most NTS lovers are the posts which want to sneak in NTR stuff.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

It's kind of funny trying to define these small perimeters in nts and what differentiates it from ntr. What it comes down to is cheating with permission -shrugs-. How you do it with it without condoms depends on your choices and if you go very sub route you opt in for the humiliation kink and are down with being called a cuck right.

In the case of Laura's relationship I'm sure a lot of us want to take the wheel in our own direction after the groundwork was placed down for us by the dev. Many fan arts of gf sharing scenarios have arose. This kind of relationship is so rare that it is arousing. That it won't fall apart in a ntr story, but more so both parties happy with what's going on.

Idk how different Mike will be or anyone else she wants to sleep with but it's an adventure. I'm most excited for reclaiming Laura. I dunno it's exciting. Tbh I could skip all chatty nonsense and just go straight to reclaiming because it's most intimate for me at this point. Sure tell me how much you like sucking cock, but tease me and do me now yea?

In a way we are just going through themes here. Laura in her slut era, etc. will we get back to sweet ol Laura? I hope so on a regular day. Maybe a less horny day. Quality time with Laura is must tldr.

 

[Dealbreaker]

I'm most excited for reclaiming Laura. I dunno it's exciting. Tbh I could skip all chatty nonsense and just go straight to reclaiming because it's most intimate for me at this point.

So would you loose interest in a game if the reclaiming wouldn't happen? Im just honestly interested in how this works for different people.

 

[monkgi]

I kind of wish there was a route where Laura stayed a bit innocent. Willing to go through with sleeping with others, because you want her to, but not fully being ok with it. Like a route where she does want you stop her, but she won't tell you to do it because she's too committed to helping you live your fantasy and not because she's actually into it.

Nathan seems like a relatively decent guy, so he won't go too far, but Mike seems like an absolute asshole who would go too far if you let him, but then you get pulled back with you realize that for story purposes, Mike is just acting like an asshole for the sake of the fantasy. Nathan's role seems fine, but Mike's role suggests that a scenario with real stakes could happen, then you realize it's actually just part of the roleplay.

Either way, I'm still enjoying the game.

EDIT: I might have confused Mike with Oliver. It's been a minute since I last played.

 

[Tasty Walrus]

I agree with you. And yes, I want to punch Oliver in the face as well. Mike is the third guy she starts dragging into her debauchery. I think she sucked his dick in one of the first "adventures" but never took it further. But I agree, I think it builds up nice up to a point where it kind of becomes a bit too much. Also, Nathan goes from being a playtoy to being a second boyfriend. That's a bit too far. People have different taste, i just liked it better when she had some cute innocence in her in the beginning. I just lost interest around midway through the game.

 

[Artist271]

Did the art of the game get better? Or does it still look like AI generic slop?

 

[Tasty Walrus]

All of it looks like AI.

 

[Turret]

It's kind of funny trying to define these small perimeters in nts and what differentiates it from ntr. What it comes down to is cheating with permission -shrugs-.

As I tried to tell Dealbreaker in our discussion, it is not this easy a difference! NTS is about being in it together, having fun, spicing up your sexlife, whereas NTR corrodes anything it touches! Look at your typical NTR game, we have cheating, behind the back actions, sinkhole behaviour of most characters, break ups, humiliation, etc.
NTS is about having fun together with wild sex included, NTR is about a masochistic drive to see a relationship going down in flames and becoming as... in the process.

 

[Dealbreaker]

As I tried to tell @Dealbreaker in our discussion, it is not this easy a difference! NTS is about being in it together, having fun, spicing up your sexlife, whereas NTR corrodes anything it touches! Look at your typical NTR game, we have cheating, behind the back actions, sinkhole behaviour of most characters, break ups, humiliation, etc.
NTS is about having fun together with wild sex included, NTR is about a masochistic drive to see a relationship going down in flames and becoming as... in the process.

If you put it this way, I wouldn't disagree with what you are saying here at least without further thought. This is a new aspect, namely the consequences for the relationship, does it remain stable or not. Still I get the vibe that you have a certain normative vision of a functioning kink vs a destructive kink and you use it to kick other models out of the definition.
And concerning "fun": I always struggle with this, sexual kinks for me are never simply "fun" like going to Disney world or something. It is too existential for that. Fun maybe part of it but there is always struggle and power involved, the need to know, the fear of losing someone, questions of performance, competition etc. this is not just fun. For a professional football player, the games aren't just fun either, to use an example.

 

[Turret]

If you put it this way, I wouldn't disagree with what you are saying here at least without further thought. This is a new aspect, namely the consequences for the relationship, does it remain stable or not. Still I get the vibe that you have a certain normative vision of a functioning kink vs a destructive kink and you use it to kick other models out of the definition.
And concerning "fun": I always struggle with this, sexual kinks for me are never simply "fun" like going to Disney world or something. It is too existential for that. Fun maybe part of it but there is always struggle and power involved, the need to know, the fear of losing someone, questions of performance, competition etc. this is not just fun. For a professional football player, the games aren't just fun either, to use an example.

Hi and no, I do not want to kick out other kinks at all. If the sub players want humiliation, denial, treated like a doormat, etc, be my guest that is their kink. It simply has nothing to search in balanced or Stag/Vixen paths.
I started the discussion with you since I interpreted your post as wanting to bring denial and humiliation onto all paths in the game.

 

[Dealbreaker]

It simply has nothing to search in balanced or Stag/Vixen paths.

Let's drop for a moment the quesstion of definitions and of the games' direction. I'm above all interested in the psychology behind those kinks and their proper appreciation.
So if I may ask, taking the situation in the game as example: the MC is obviously nudging is gf to go forward with other guys. You are apprently interpeting that in the paradgim of a "balanced of stag/vixen" path. So: what exactly is his motivation in that very moment in your perception, what does he get out of it watching his girlfriend doing that? Because I have a feeling, that here starts the difference to what I (and others) call NTS, in this motivations and feelings.

 

[jjv111]

Bug appeared once again. In notes there is a line "You didn't allow Laure to break rules" (OS 16.2, current story index 777, act IX). That story bit is not even happened and i stunlocked from progressing any dialogs. Reloading to save from couple of acts back don't help. Advice?

Same thing after restart and reset of game, during Chapter 25. WTF is wrong happened, can't understand.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

So would you loose interest in a game if the reclaiming wouldn't happen? Im just honestly interested in how this works for different people.

Definitely . The whole drive for me is seeing her after she has "cheated" and having make-up sex. Her telling me she still loves me most and stuff. It wouldn't work any other way, it would be a boner kill in the long run if she was never sweet again to me. Either way my interest in the game is already fading as I believe the best parts are already done. If I could I'd take it in a more wholesome direction. The way the game is also limits things to just phone messages and pictures. An interesting part of the game is squaregram, though not much comes of it.

Imagine we get a really innovative update that allowed a multiplayer feature. Our game clients could sync and we could essentially have a live version of square gram where we could comment. If we could join a chat with other players sharing their gf Laura or Ashley, Tara. It would be hilarious, kinda kinky but how you would program all this ???
Automated responses would be boring. Once you collected all the pictures, bored. At this point Laura would literally just be an ai bot lol. It doesn't make sense really.. this game is more structured in chapters with a storyline. I think the dev really has to think of like 3 solid endings for this game realistically.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Thanks!

 

[Turret]

Let's drop for a moment the quesstion of definitions and of the games' direction. I'm above all interested in the psychology behind those kinks and their proper appreciation.
So if I may ask, taking the situation in the game as example: the MC is obviously nudging is gf to go forward with other guys. You are apprently interpeting that in the paradgim of a "balanced of stag/vixen" path. So: what exactly is his motivation in that very moment in your perception, what does he get out of it watching his girlfriend doing that? Because I have a feeling, that here starts the difference to what I (and others) call NTS, in this motivations and feelings.

A mixture of Voyeurism, presenting her more sexual fun than a single man can give (let´s face it, no matter how good we are in bed, there comes a time our "best friend" cannot get up again that evening), proud to have such a great girlfriend/wife, happiness she has fun and being wild/slutty, getting hot for reclaiming her, taking her back.

It is about having kinky sexual fun together, both being fully ok with what goes on. Being clear what can be done and what is a red line not to be crossed. Humiliation and denial have no place here, that is something which invariably sends a relationship on the wrong course over time, because of the inherent discordance.