VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.22.1] [Le Stag]

[Illustrivity]

Is there any fix for the patreon block? Do I really need to pay to be able to play this? I saw a comment earlier in the thread saying that I should click on the lock, allow internet access and it should have been removed. When i press it and log in I get sent to my torrent program inside of the browser.

Oh, he DRM'd it?

Welp, guess I'll come back to this game...whenever, I suppose. It's been stretching out and squandering almost any novelty of any exciting moments it's had for a while now anyway. Imagine being this much of a whiny little baby while raking in 7k+ euros a month to generate AI images. Dear lord.

 

[meliussy]

To me is the exact opposite, I found it really annoying.
Anyhow, I got very excited about the last update premise, I think it was great but then it all goes to full on cuck stuff again, Laura doing stuff without permission etc, I mean give me a bit more choices beyond "I do" and "I love it"

Gotta agree. The partner explicitly going behind the back of the MC/Doing things without their permission always ruins NTS for me, because it's essentially just cheating at that point. Totally ruins the vibe imo. The only way for me to enjoy it is if the MC states outright that they actually want the partner to go behind their back, and both of them agree to being comfortable with the concept of play-cheating.

 

[Suntar]

What exactly are you guys on about with the whole "without permission" thing?

At least on the Confident Stag route Laura never does anything without permission from MC. Sure, we as players don't always get a choice, but in game everything is consentual and agreed upon. Remember, we're only seeing the part of their interactions that involve texting. When a chapter is first released not all options are implemented immediately all the time aswel. However, LeStag actually makes most interactions avoidable at some point in time.
You also gotta remember, that this is a linear game. Some events just simply need to happen for the story to actaully move along. It's not an open sandbox.

The amount of choices, variants, and customizability when it comes to relationship dynamics and scenes are absolutely abundant. LeStag is obviously trying to provide as much of a individually tailored experience as humanly possible. Sometimes this happens in retrospect. This shit is complicated, and complaining about not getting a Yes/No choice for every single interaction is bonkers to me.

 

[Ouka]

What exactly are you guys on about with the whole "without permission" thing?

At least on the Confident Stag route Laura never does anything without permission from MC. Sure, we as players don't always get a choice, but in game everything is consentual and agreed upon. Remember, we're only seeing the part of their interactions that involve texting. When a chapter is first released not all options are implemented immediately all the time aswel. However, LeStag actually makes most interactions avoidable at some point in time.
You also gotta remember, that this is a linear game. Some events just simply need to happen for the story to actaully move along. It's not an open sandbox.

The amount of choices, variants, and customizability when it comes to relationship dynamics and scenes are absolutely abundant. LeStag is obviously trying to provide as much of a individually tailored experience as humanly possible. Sometimes this happens in retrospect. This shit is complicated, and complaining about not getting a Yes/No choice for every single interaction is bonkers to me.

Well said. Thumbs up for that. And, as always, it's FREE on this site...

 

[meliussy]

What exactly are you guys on about with the whole "without permission" thing?

At least on the Confident Stag route Laura never does anything without permission from MC. Sure, we as players don't always get a choice, but in game everything is consentual and agreed upon. Remember, we're only seeing the part of their interactions that involve texting. When a chapter is first released not all options are implemented immediately all the time aswel. However, LeStag actually makes most interactions avoidable at some point in time.
You also gotta remember, that this is a linear game. Some events just simply need to happen for the story to actaully move along. It's not an open sandbox.

The amount of choices, variants, and customizability when it comes to relationship dynamics and scenes are absolutely abundant. LeStag is obviously trying to provide as much of a individually tailored experience as humanly possible. Sometimes this happens in retrospect. This shit is complicated, and complaining about not getting a Yes/No choice for every single interaction is bonkers to me.

I'm not trying to complain, I'm actually quite pleased with how the game is developing, along with its customization of routes, and I hope LeStag continues doing well with the process. I was more so referring to other NTS stories/games which push these boundaries too far – I don't really have a problem with how this game handles it, even if a few moments can be jarring. Apologies for not clarifying in my original message, but also maybe ease up a bit, lol.

 

[DeviantFun]

What exactly are you guys on about with the whole "without permission" thing?

At least on the Confident Stag route Laura never does anything without permission from MC. Sure, we as players don't always get a choice, but in game everything is consentual and agreed upon. Remember, we're only seeing the part of their interactions that involve texting. When a chapter is first released not all options are implemented immediately all the time aswel. However, LeStag actually makes most interactions avoidable at some point in time.
You also gotta remember, that this is a linear game. Some events just simply need to happen for the story to actaully move along. It's not an open sandbox.

The amount of choices, variants, and customizability when it comes to relationship dynamics and scenes are absolutely abundant. LeStag is obviously trying to provide as much of a individually tailored experience as humanly possible. Sometimes this happens in retrospect. This shit is complicated, and complaining about not getting a Yes/No choice for every single interaction is bonkers to me.

List of things that Laura does without permission from MC:

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Sure I get what you mean about the linearity of the game, still it could be implemented differently with the player as an instigator instead of cuck witness.
Look it all comes down to taste and opinions, I'm not discrediting yours but some stuff you said, is factually incorrect.

Gotta agree. The partner explicitly going behind the back of the MC/Doing things without their permission always ruins NTS for me, because it's essentially just cheating at that point. Totally ruins the vibe imo. The only way for me to enjoy it is if the MC states outright that they actually want the partner to go behind their back, and both of them agree to being comfortable with the concept of play-cheating.

Yeah that is how I feel about some of the interactions, to me it feels more NTRish in many of them and ruins the vibe.
You can do what you mention about going behind your back if you give Laura freedom to do what she wants, so if you like to play that way, you should be ok.

 

[pyefyeref]

I have seen real couples deal with cheating in monogamous relationships better than people participating in fantasy netorase porn. You really ought to go outside and get a girlfriend if you care about maintaining an open relationship with your preferred emotional boundaries this much.

 

[Suntar]

List of things that Laura does without permission from MC:

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Sure I get what you mean about the linearity of the game, still it could be implemented differently with the player as an instigator instead of cuck witness.
Look it all comes down to taste and opinions, I'm not discrediting yours but some stuff you said, is factually incorrect.



Yeah that is how I feel about some of the interactions, to me it feels more NTRish in many of them and ruins the vibe.
You can do what you mention about going behind your back if you give Laura freedom to do what she wants, so if you like to play that way, you should be ok.

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Without one or 2 exceptions all of your points are nitpicks of the absolute highest order. A game with your demands of variability would take years to develop a single chapter.

 

[DeviantFun]

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Without one or 2 exceptions all of your points are nitpicks of the absolute highest order. A game with your demands of variability would take years to develop a single chapter.

Again, agree to disagree, what you call nitpicks you justified with "needed for story reasons"/"player or character choice".
The topic was, one again, what does Laura do without permission.

Aww, you made it difficult to answer in a proper way since you reaplied inside the spoiler, I tried to add my answers anyway.

Just a side remark, I understand your passion for the game, but you come across as very aggressive, I'm just stating my opinion, just try to accept that you might disagree with it as I might disagree with yours.

 

[Suntar]

Aww, you made it difficult to answer in a proper way since you reaplied inside the spoiler, I tried to add my answers anyway.

Just a side remark, I understand your passion for the game, but you come across as very aggressive, I'm just stating my opinion, just try to accept that you might disagree with it as I might disagree with yours.

I think the amount of customization you're expecting is unreasonable. It sounds like you want a "recall" button for Laura at any point during any scene, with an alternative scene at the ready. Yet you fail to see, that with your standards, you would then need an alternative scene, for the alternative scene, because someone might not like the first alternative either. So you'd need another, and another ad infinitum.

You won't ever get this in a game. Just wouldn't be feasible for a human dev. Try AI chatbots, you might like those a lot more, though they will require you to put in some work to train and keep on track.

Could the "Dom" route be more dominant? Yes. That's why it was renamed to "confident stag" instead of "very dominant". Maybe if you adjust your expectations you can enjoy the game better. Or you can keep searching for the one dev that caters to your exact fetishes.

Not trying to personally attack you, but ridiculous demands grind my gears when repeated constantly. (Not from you specifically, but I've seen similiar complains across the last few pages of discussion)

 

[Suntar]

What choices are you talking about, there are options, but they are all aimed at giving the line that the DEv wants, you are talking about various game options, haahha, like, "yes love" or "of course love", what difference in choice would that be, and then the options with emoticons, which are practically useless, not to mention Laura's long monologues, you are talking about choices in the game, hahaahhah, ridiculous, no offense.

Maybe you should replay the game and keep a look at the "Notes" app on the phone and try making a couple different choices

 

[JQuillon]

then I don't understand why we aren't allowed to have MC fuck with other girls, or to fuck only with Tara behind Laura's back, it's unbearable that only Mc is a cuckold in this story, while the others fuck like rabbits, or humiliate him continuously.

Looks like you didn't understand the theme of the game, or maybe you're just in the wrong thread--because MC isn't a cuckold and there's no humiliation in sight. So--wrong game with characters who have similar names?

 

[Onelaw3]

I'm having nonstop crashes with the latest update. Anyone else?

 

[DeviantFun]

I think the amount of customization you're expecting is unreasonable. It sounds like you want a "recall" button for Laura at any point during any scene, with an alternative scene at the ready. Yet you fail to see, that with your standards, you would then need an alternative scene, for the alternative scene, because someone might not like the first alternative either. So you'd need another, and another ad infinitum.

You won't ever get this in a game. Just wouldn't be feasible for a human dev. Try AI chatbots, you might like those a lot more, though they will require you to put in some work to train and keep on track.

Could the "Dom" route be more dominant? Yes. That's why it was renamed to "confident stag" instead of "very dominant". Maybe if you adjust your expectations you can enjoy the game better. Or you can keep searching for the one dev that caters to your exact fetishes.

Not trying to personally attack you, but ridiculous demands grind my gears when repeated constantly. (Not from you specifically, but I've seen similiar complains across the last few pages of discussion)

I am just trying to give what can be, hopefully, percieved constructive criticism, the dev has no obligations towards me as I stopped supporting the game actively quite some time ago and even then I don't think being a supporter should give that much of creative control.

Don't worry about the personal attack, I have been vocal about the dom path being considerably weaker (aside from 2 specific scenes, one with nathan and the ass fucking and the other in the club, where you really feel in control of the action) more than once, I just love discussing and seeing other people opinions on topics.

Look I understand you cannot recall Laura, it is just a matter of offering a different angle or a different choice, not unreasonable stuff.
Let me make you a couple of examples:

- Last scene with Nathan, you could have the exact same event but with a switched order or simplly Laura asking, it is literallly showing one picture before another or a few lines of text.
- Mike, you mentioned that it was needed for story reasons, fine, with a few lines of text you can make Mc being the initiator and sending Laura.
This approach can be true for many choices, with the character sending Laura to do dirty deeds instead of being a witness to it.
It would be just text.

As for the condom choice I am steadfast and unmovable! I think it is the original sin of this game and my point of view can be seen as unreasonable to some but it doesn't stop me from enjoying the game here and there because some scenarios are well written, probably moreso in the sub path (had to play that anyway, it is mandatory to collect all the pictures, no?)

 

[redoubt27]

List of things that Laura does without permission from MC:

- all completely avoidable, don't play...
Both Mike and Oliver are completely avoidable.

Laura is acting with a bit of her own agency, based on MC's (your) choices. She's not cheating and she's not doing things without the MC's permission, unless you enable surprises. She's simply not seeking express/explicit permission for every single act...
I don't disagree that there are things I wish were implemented differently, but not my story. And the story clearly indicates MC is giving Laura agency/freedom to act, she's not just a sex puppet. Personally, my only 'complaint' is that I wish there was a way to make Nathan (and others) keep wearing condoms while MC is the only 'raw' participant, but again, not my story...

Hate to break it to folks, NTS is 'cuck' porn...
Generally, NTS is similar to NTR, but in NTS the MC knows, is ok with it, gets turned on by it, encourages it, and the wife/gf still loves/respects (to a degree) the MC, she's participating in the fantasy, and enjoying it... I would agree NTS isn't only 'cuck' porn, but it seems only us 'westerners' try to limit/differentiate NTS to fully 100% consensual express permission for every "sharing/swinging" act. However, that's not the case...
I understand this isn't your idea of NTS/sharing/cuckold, but it's very much netorase, just not with the level of control, constant consent, you'd prefer.

I have enjoyed the story balancing out the NTS a bit, making it more 'sharing', by adding Ashley's and Tara's interactions with the MC, and cuckquean Laura.
Fingers crossed, I'm really, really hoping to see Laura hooking MC up with Sarah (Mike's exGF) and Sophie/Sophia? (Nathan's new GF). And either Ashley, or Tara, or both, hooking up with Laura. That Ashley&Laura strapon tease was hot, and of course disappointing at the same time...lol

 

[DeviantFun]

- all completely avoidable, don't play...
Both Mike and Oliver are completely avoidable.

I don't want to get into the topic too much again, but your statement is incorrect.

Personally, my only 'complaint' is that I wish there was a way to make Nathan (and others) keep wearing condoms while MC is the only 'raw' participant, but again, not my story...

Yeah, this is probably my main concern.

Hate to break it to folks, NTS is 'cuck' porn...

Not necessarily and not always, however it is how it is protrayed in the majority of games.
This one has one major redeeming factor of having the MC being able to do stuff, at a severely slower pace than Laura, but that is mostly ok.

I have enjoyed the story balancing out the NTS a bit, making it more 'sharing', by adding Ashley's and Tara's interactions with the MC, and cuckquean Laura.

Yup, great addition, probably the best thing about this game.

 

[salmon312]

There's no scene of the protagonist licking Laura's used pussy, right?
There are so many paths that it's difficult to unlock all the content. All need a mod to unlock the gallery or a walkthrough.

 

[DeviantFun]

There's no scene of the protagonist licking Laura's used pussy, right?
There are so many paths that it's difficult to unlock all the content. All need a mod to unlock the gallery or a walkthrough.

No, there is not, iirc in the sub path you can kiss her after someone cums in her mouth.

Edit: removed some incorrect information.

 

[salmon312]

No, there is not, iirc in the sub path you can kiss her after someone cums in her mouth.

Not sure why you would want to do that but anyway what you said is actually hinted in some dialogue, whether that will happen or not I cannot know

Why? Because it's supposed to be an NTS game! haha

 

[redoubt27]

I don't want to get into the topic too much again, but your statement is incorrect.

On its own, yes.
In context and response to the issues with Oliver and Mike you stated, no.
Those issues are completely avoidable.
Laura only has the initial scenes/interactions with both Mike and Oliver, after that, MC can say nope, done. All subsequent interactions, where the issues occur, completely avoidable. The sacrifice is a lot of content/pictures. And we have to collect them all, right?...

I should have been more precise.

Not necessarily and not always

I agree, as I stated

I would agree NTS isn't only 'cuck' porn

, but a very large, arguably largest, portion of the cuckold porn fetish is netorase, because the husband/bf knows and is turned on by it...
Compare the definition of the cuckold fetish and netorase... They are almost identical.
Netorase is even defined as a genre of cuckold or sharing porn.

Where we westerns start to differentiate, because cuckold has a negative connotation, NTS includes sharing, swinging, which unfortunately could also be argued as cuckold porn, but we separate it out, because cuckold is 'bad'.
But let's not get into that and let psychologists debate and figure it out...
So, for the sake of everyone, whether stag or cuck, getting their fap on in peace, I agree NTS isn't always cuckold porn...

TLDR.
Netorase Phone is a damn fine VN/story/game. And while there are things I'd do differently, thanks LeStag for an entertaining product.