VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.22.1] [Le Stag]

[Antani101]

Consent and respect between all parties means that if mc doesn't consent its not allowed thats just basic logical reasoning.

While you're absolutely right here there is a difference between the MC and the Player.

We're playing from the MC perspective but it's Mac's consent that matters not the players while a lot of complaints come from the misconception that us as players should be able to dictate it.

The MC is still a character, written by mr Stag, and when something happens it's because he consents, we actually see all of them touching base multiple times to check if everyone is on board with what's happening.

Now, I understand that having more branches, and more chances to input players' preferences would be nice but according to LeStag it would require to much work so he's not inclined to do it. I don't know enough to have an opinion either way on this.

 

[evman9334]

Does anyone know when they will upload the working version because right now I can't play the game?

what working version. I am a patron and most of the patrons can't play it. hell I can but it breaks on me regularly. freezes, wrong events, repeated events, wrong images, and a copy pasted chapter. It might be a good idea to just wait a few more updates to see if lestag gets back to actually putting out working quality content again.

 

[Turian01]

my dude I spent a few hours creating a lora for Laura in the fan post thread it wasn't that hard. if you understand game coding and art you can manipulate it pretty easily . but hell I am not even saying that he needs to generate completely new images here . I said generate a condom variant of the same images he used in the past just to help not have to write a completely new scene in situations like I described. you can do that in a three picture generation easily.especially if you created your character lora properly..... hell I have had to create actual CGI with graphic design software for money. AI doesn't take as much effort as actually creating artwork. comparatively AI art is pretty fucking easy since you are just figuring out what prompts work and training your model to not do stupid shit. It's coding for dummies. View attachment 4901001
I did this in one go I have like multiple similar images from that single generation with the Lora I made (no worries le stag its under nobody is allowed to make money from it.)
Now about the story with I quote"
Netorase Phone is an adult visual novel about exploring your sexual fantasies with your girlfriend.
The story is told through text messages and pictures, by talking with the various characters.
The game focuses on Netorase / Hotwifing, with mutual consent and respect between all involved parties. " Read the description of the fucking game.....Mutual consent and respect of all parties its in the tag line. I have read most of the complaints as a few are also me. most people aren't wanting only to fuck other girls. Hell I wantrd to fucking have the threesome with nathan/mc/Laura happen in this fucking release. I want to progress into laura and MC experimenting with group play as has been promised via the fact that its a literal choice noted in the notes. hell having The MC become a bull for Marcel and Ashley while Ashley bulls for laura...while nathan bulls for Laura and MC seems perfectly reasonable. Nathan doesn't need to be creaming lauras donut and fucking her raw unless the MC is into it. and having previously made a big deal about asking the MC multiple times you are telling us that our choices while limited do effect the outcome. like it doesn't have to be a grand branching story. just do the same scene and don't have it generate the dialogue about her getting creamed unless the player said ok....have it use a condom pic if the player said condom. thats not a big branch. Oh but nathan and laura need to progress...into what exactly? a couple that has children while MC goons? I mean if MC and Laura are the "husband and wife" the main relationship the story is about their progression not Nathans...nathan is by definition a secondary lead. hes not the lead.. Laura and MC are. having the MC and Laura evolve is the story. Nathan fucking laura is just a part of that. him not filling laura with spunk isn't exactly world breaking unless your whole end game is the Laura leaving MC or being primarily being in a relationship with Nathan at the end with MC just cucking in the corner while they have babies. but I digress. Consent and respect between all parties means that if mc doesn't consent its not allowed thats just basic logical reasoning.

First off, kindly mind your tone. You don't see me cursing at you. If you're going to need curse words to get your point across, I guess you really don't have much of a point to begin with.

Secondly, you just proved my point here that good AI pics are not made as easy as you claim. That example picture you made would not have ended up in this game. Hands, torso length, and hair length are all off, and that's just at first glance.

Thirdly, you can disagree with Stag's choices, but it's his story and it's going somewhere. Yes, that requires railroading the player along so he can get to it, which always comes at the cost of the player's agency. And if that place ends up being Laura being pregnant with Nathan (which I personally would hate), so be it. It's his story. But in order to get there, he needs a pace and certain developments to take place, which he can't leave all up to everyone's personal preferences. So yes, it was probably needed for Laura to fuck a bull raw

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at some point. Else, you'd be forever stuck in the limbo of her not doing that. If that story is not your cup of tea, just opt out.

 

[Turian01]

Does anyone know when they will upload the working version because right now I can't play the game?

Public release is tomorrow. Just wait one more day and you can get the public version from Stag his patreon.

 

[Joshy92]

Good story, I just wish they didn't treat sharing as if it's 'corruption' So what a woman can't have fun with other men? Is this the 1950s?

 

[evman9334]

While you're absolutely right here there is a difference between the MC and the Player.

We're playing from the MC perspective but it's Mac's consent that matters not the players while a lot of complaints come from the misconception that us as players should be able to dictate it.

The MC is still a character, written by mr Stag, and when something happens it's because he consents, we actually see all of them touching base multiple times to check if everyone is on board with what's happening.

Now, I understand that having more branches, and more chances to input players' preferences would be nice but according to LeStag it would require to much work so he's not inclined to do it. I don't know enough to have an opinion either way on this.

you are misrepresenting my statements. I am saying that recently the things MC is not consenting to are happening. the choices made in the touching of bases are ignored and the recent chapter just railroaded the event so that Le stag could write three perspectives of the same event to pad out an update to justify getting patron money. like previous update was fine in that regard you could do the party or say no. that new one is just kinda copy pasted and felt AI written for the first time.

I am not saying I as in me. I am saying I as in MC because in the context of playing the game they are one and the same. in game terms we are not experiencing anyone but mc's perspective. yes the things written are all a character by le stag....thats obvious. the issue is that if Le stag writes a bunch of situations where the MC tells laura the Nathan needs to wear a condom and all the sudden without any input or dialogue nathan just raw dogs her that is by default violating the consent of the character as there was no touching base. We only experience the game through the stuff we see so as far as we know nothing has been consented to. which just makes us feel NTR'ed not NTSed. which is a bit of an issue in an NTS game.

Also I didn't ask for more branches. I offered a few directions I thought were cool.
Its not necessary to make branches. Just have the story skip a sex scene if the player doesn't want one there. its been done in the game before...hell last update we could do it for the first get together. that takes no extra work. none zip nada. hell adding a condom image for people that want condoms has been done in every other part of the game. just do it here.

 

[Antani101]

you are misrepresenting my statements. I am saying that recently the things MC is not consenting to are happening. the choices made in the touching of bases are ignored

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because unless we're somehow taking shit two different games I have no idea what the hell are you droning about.

 

[Turian01]

the issue is that if Le stag writes a bunch of situations where the MC tells laura the Nathan needs to wear a condom and all the sudden without any input or dialogue nathan just raw dogs her that is by default violating the consent of the character as there was no touching base.

I think you are confusing certain things? There is never an option to deny Nathan going raw. It's discussed in one of the earlier chapters that she wants him to go raw. To my personal dismay that conversation goes something like:
"Oh I'd like Nathan to go raw, do you want to go raw too MC?"

Due to the fact I really dislike the tone of that conversation (as it makes it seems like MC is an afterthought), it also makes me 100% sure that there is never an option for MC to deny Nathan going raw. So that also means, there's no violating of consent here, as it's railroaded.

 

[manXone]

I think you guys are taking this too far. it sounds like you are saying the story should just end universally with Nathan and Laura becoming a relationship...thats just NTR not NTS. I mean If I had my choices Laura would be fucking dudes at the bar, or friends of the MC who he knows personally. hell she could keep being lent out to Nathan. the key is being lent out because thats what a confident stag is doing lending..
and laura allowing him to fuck her friends was something that Le stag introduced to the game himself which makes it a legitimate point to say that we want more of it. If we are interested in that part of the writing its reasonable to want more of it...I mean was the BJ in the bar while laura was blowing that dude in the stall next to it not fucking awesome? On the note of the other bulls...ones a piece of shit that laura hates, and the others are optional as is. TO say "oh you lame douches are weird for wanting the game to be a game........" is fucking silly. Like if My choice is that Nathan should be fucking laura in a way that isn't the same as the MC(as in he uses condoms and doesn't creampie her. or He fucks her only when the MC and Laura agree its cool" thats a reasonable ask. just don't give me the event let me skip the scene. Le stag usually has mc fuck laura afterwards anyways....hell if he wants her to fuck nathan in a chapter have her beg the MC and offer something for it in confident stag. like its not hard to write a few extra lines of dialogue. we aren't asking for you to write a million branching paths...hell you could have her send ashley over and just reuse the blowjob scene with a few slightly changed dialogues and slight picture variants of the BJ since generating images with AI takes a minute or so. the current update was just the previous release copy pasted with extra characters and pov's as it is.

I think you’ve strongly misunderstood both the story and the goal this game has.


Nathan represents someone with whom both the MC and Laura have established a relationship of trust. There is absolutely NO relationship between Laura and Nathan beyond sex, and it is not something “enjoyable for the MC.”


What you’re missing most is that Laura is not a slut. The pace at which STAG wants to develop the story will be fast, and to “experiment,” of course, they’ll use familiar characters who Laura and the MC trust—no one experiments sexually with the first person who comes along.


So let me repeat: I believe you need to see the story through the lens of experimentation with known characters, NOT having a relationship with a bull, who is and ALWAYS WILL BE a bull.

 

[manXone]

right what you say, very true, but you remember that the choices are not our real options, but are forced by the game system, it is, excuse my poor English, the repetition of similar POVs my complaint, we as MC have suffered the story of what happens at the bar or ASH's house, exactly, 3 times from the three girls, from different points of view, but the dynamics were the same, I wonder, what use does it give us, to reread or listen to what would be enough once, Laura is our provocateur, but Tara and ASHley, who tell it identically, what's the point.

If you are italian, we can talk that way XD

 

[evman9334]

First off, kindly mind your tone. You don't see me cursing at you. If you're going to need curse words to get your point across, I guess you really don't have much of a point to begin with.

Secondly, you just proved my point here that good AI pics are not made as easy as you claim. That example picture you made would not have ended up in this game. Hands, torso length, and hair length are all off, and that's just at first glance.

Thirdly, you can disagree with Stag's choices, but it's his story and it's going somewhere. Yes, that requires railroading the player along so he can get to it, which always comes at the cost of the player's agency. And if that place ends up being Laura being pregnant with Nathan (which I personally would hate), so be it. It's his story. But in order to get there, he needs a pace and certain developments to take place, which he can't leave all up to everyone's personal preferences. So yes, it was probably needed for Laura to fuck a bull raw

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at some point. Else, you'd be forever stuck in the limbo of her not doing that. If that story is not your cup of tea, just opt out.

Dude are you a 50 year old karen? fuck is a word...its used in the game. we are talking about people fucking. I used it for severity to emphasize...why do you sound like an angry mom complaining pro wrestling or mortal kombat?

Second. Dude I don't have his generated images if I did my Lora would be his lora of course I don't have his exact specifications. I would be stealing his work. I made a fan copy that is distinct enough not to cause Le stag to ask me to take it down I did this for fun man. if I reallly wanted to I could rip all of his art from the game and make loras that made game quality images but Im not a thief or douche.. welcome to openly being the elitist you were pretending not to be though its quite fun to watch you fail so miserably. I made my lora so I could make multiple styles of the character as well for fun. as said I could steal his shit if I wanted all of us could but we aren't .

I am alright with railroading I play d&d and run D&D its not an issue. the issue is when you give the player agency over a thing then just pretend you didn't because its too much work to come up with a little dialogue or a single alternative image...thats just laziness not a master plan.


I am not asking him to let me choose every little option I am asking that the options he told me I could choose matter. I think youre giving Le stag way too much credit here man. hes one man writing slightly less then generic cuck porn not tolkein. It's pretty clear that he just didn't put in or forgot to make an image. or hell just decided he wanted to make an easy chapter to earn some money from the patrons...I mean thats the way of business here. He is making the game in part to earn money almost certainly as a side gig...one that he isn't invested enough in to pay for actual art or dedicate time to learn to make it himself. Like plenty of other devs do it. hell Remtery has payed an artist to do their art for years now. I am fine with the AI art by the way I am just saying le stag isn't dedicating life and limb to make this its an AI art Chat game with minimal advanced design aspects. there are other devs doing it that are innovating on the feel a little bit. the main reason Le stag stands out is he has been writing great NTS content that had player agency which differed from the generic NTR that was everyone else was doing(though a couple of other devs are starting to step into le stags territory in the last couple weeks to a month).

I don't disagree with him making a choice I disagree with not being honest about things. Having game thats broken in multiple ways beyond just not working with the basic coding for events is one thing. but not being willing to accept the critiques or converse openly about the reason besides vaguely making up narrative reasons to explain why his code just didn't work right is my issue.

 

[ronzion`]

How to launch the game?

 

[juveforever]

I think you’ve strongly misunderstood both the story and the goal this game has.


Nathan represents someone with whom both the MC and Laura have established a relationship of trust. There is absolutely NO relationship between Laura and Nathan beyond sex, and it is not something “enjoyable for the MC.”


What you’re missing most is that Laura is not a slut. The pace at which STAG wants to develop the story will be fast, and to “experiment,” of course, they’ll use familiar characters who Laura and the MC trust—no one experiments sexually with the first person who comes along.


So let me repeat: I believe you need to see the story through the lens of experimentation with known characters, NOT having a relationship with a bull, who is and ALWAYS WILL BE a bull.

sorry, but I don't agree, because Nathan is becoming more and more than just fucking, just those types of hidden word exchanges, those out of place, or forcing MC to say, yes, always, is a cheating of the initial rules, rules, and sex, but a couple who wants to play this game, must uphold the rules, or they are no longer playing as a couple, but as individuals, so, when Laura does things in secret, consent or not, she is pure selfish, then she becomes doubly so when she allows herself to denigrate MC, but one thing has made, for me, this game, a 3 star game, instead of a 5 star game, that forcing in the story that we have to accept everything, and settle for the forced sloppy seconds. that is the lowest part of the plot, they are a couple, no it is Laura and her toy Mc, and it is a big difference in logic.

 

[evman9334]

I think you’ve strongly misunderstood both the story and the goal this game has.


Nathan represents someone with whom both the MC and Laura have established a relationship of trust. There is absolutely NO relationship between Laura and Nathan beyond sex, and it is not something “enjoyable for the MC.”


What you’re missing most is that Laura is not a slut. The pace at which STAG wants to develop the story will be fast, and to “experiment,” of course, they’ll use familiar characters who Laura and the MC trust—no one experiments sexually with the first person who comes along.


So let me repeat: I believe you need to see the story through the lens of experimentation with known characters, NOT having a relationship with a bull, who is and ALWAYS WILL BE a bull.

you have misunderstood my point sir. I am saying the direction that this is going writing wise is headed towards generic NTR if there is no agency and its more important to focus on Nathan and laura's progression. You guys keep trying to twist words to make my points less valid. When I say things about it being weird that the choices the MC directly says and is asked by laura and nathan whether he consents not mattering that's important. IF the MC says hey nathan wear a condom don't cream my girl...if Nathan then raw dogs and Cums in her he has broken the MC's trust. and if MC tells laura he is not ok with creampies or raw dogging then her getting raw dogged willingly is her violating that consent. theres nothing to debate there. its pretty straight forward. if the MC says "I don't enjoy that" and then you act like he does because it fits your narrative you are just wrong.

I never called her a slut the MC and nathan do...hell she does. but that wasn't even an argument I made..... Also wasn't Nathan a guy that was introduced by Ashley...I mean MC had never met nathan until at earliest the last update thats not exactly a guy that you trust he was just a guy that Ashley recommended. also the first guy was a random bar dude where are you getting this stuff.

 

[Le Stag]

what working version. I am a patron and most of the patrons can't play it.

I'd love to see what makes you say that, since I got nothing more than a handful of complaints about it. Less than 1% of subscribers, actually. And most of them, I could troubleshoot...

But hey, I'm sure you have the relevant analytics...

 

[Le Stag]

Why have the comment that says you don’t like it if nothing matters?

Because the game isn't done yet.

 

[hhhhy]

is tomorrow the official public release?

 

[Le Stag]

is tomorrow the official public release?

Yes.

 

[Joshy92]

I would totally let Nathan knock up my sexy Laura. As long as he knows I'll be the dad, of course.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Is this game still NTS or have they started routing to NTR.