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-Revan75-

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For me, Mike was too similar to Oliver. Well... In Oliver's case, he likes to humiliate MC / rub it in his face. Meanwhile with Mike, he didn't give a shit about MC at all. However the problem with Mike is that his role in the story is... limited. What can he bring if Oliver is already here?
As such, I think it was a nice idea to remove him from the story and use him to remind Laura + MC that their games can also have bad consequences as it's always possible to run into an asshole.
Moreover, the story often goes with MC / Laura doing something together before Laura does it with a bull (ex: anal, creampie), so it's possible that his girlfriend will be used as well in order to start group sex: Laura + Mike's girlfriend having fun with MC, taking pictures and sending some blurred ones to Mike to piss him off.
But as for Mike himself, I think his role is the story is already over.
 

slightchance

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However the problem with Mike is that his role in the story is... limited. What can he bring if Oliver is already here?
A bigger belly. Someone who does not have a trained body like the other gym bros and is still able to make her squeeze around his cock. I personally loved the moment when our MC was quite shocked that Laura had no problem enjoying someone who's built like that. It elevates her sluttiness, in my opinion.

Too bad Le Stag decided to axe him and gave him this unflattering backstory.
 
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notaname000

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Did they really, though? IIRC, at the very beginning after MC explains his kink, Laura goes through a couple of hypothetical scenarios to see if MC would feel jealous (it's like 10 lines total), then agrees to try it at the club, likes it but tells MC to not expect her to go fast (understandably) and that's about it - happy fucking for (almost) everyone involved ever since. There was one line about neighbors hearing her scream another man's name (which later is repeated but in a positive way) and one line about Laura not wanting to end up like a whore in an alley sucking 3 cocks.

Thing is, for 40+ chapters the game has followed the basic formula with 2 components: MC and Laura are open with each other in their relationship, and both are happy with their arrangement. That has been reinforced time and time again by LeStag. When people wanted drama, he added Mike cheating on his GF. Importantly, that conflict/drama didn't break that formula. But a lot of the time, when people suggested adding conflicts, they tried to break or circumvent it.

Even your example kinda does that, although, I assume, unintentionally. Ask yourself 2 questions. 1) Why would Laura sleep with a guy she hates (and want to do it again), when she has the freedom to do it with anyone she wants and already has several candidates ready and willing? 2) Why doesn't she tell MC that she hates that guy and if she does (I wasn't sure if MC not understanding her hate means that he's oblivious to it or simply doesn't share it) why do they keep seeing him? "Yeah babe, I know you hate that guy but let's keep talking to him when we run into him somehow (MC and Laura don't really interact together with people outside the Madhouse) instead of ignoring him. Oh and I would really like you to fuck the guy that you hate. Please?" MC hasn't pushed Laura into sleeping with any other guy in particular, btw. He always wanted her to have fun, not have fun with "that guy specifically". So it would be out of character to suddenly do it now.
Has it really been 40 chapters? Time flies!

As I mentioned I didn't have the story worked out (it was meant to be a simple comment but went on longer than expect) but to answer your questions:
1) Why would Laura sleep with someone she hates?
Girls often do. In fact they often fall in love with guys they initially hated. So much so it's a cliche in romance novels.
2) Why do they keep seeing him?
In real life you run into people you hate all the time because they're adjacent to one of your orbits. Like a friend of a friend
3) In my head I picture MC (and the player) knowing Laura hates him but not understanding why. After all we've got to like him for this to be fun. Also (I assumed it went without saying but maybe that was a bad assumption on my part) that MC would never push Laura to do anything she doesn't want to, or to make her feel uncomfortable in anyway.

I just thought it would be fun to see Laura go from hating, to realizing she's 1 part attracted to him to 10 parts hating him, to realizing she's been obsessing over him and hating that, to realizing she'll one day give in and fuck him (and hating that as well).

Obviously in the very end she'll be happy with all of it, but I don't remember hate fucking as one of the kinks Le Stag wrote he planned to include, and thought it could be a fun multi-arc story that's mostly only a few lines per update but would be something fun we could look forward to.
 

empatheticapathy

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v0.22.1 keeps crashing on my PC. I was able to run 0.10 back when that was the newest no problem.
Anybody got any idea how to fix? Maybe something changed with Unity?

Also reading the thread, I get the impression Laura's doing a lot of long-term stuff with specific guys? My favorite scene so far is the one where she blew the random bar guy - I was kind of hoping for more random acts of sluttiness like that from future updates. Has any more of that been added, or is all the new stuff long-term relationships like Nathan?
 

empatheticapathy

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Yeah, I don't make it to the options screen. I click the icon, get a white window, everything slows down for a few minutes, the white window closes. At no point do I actually get to the game.
 

Seneschall

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Yeah, I don't make it to the options screen. I click the icon, get a white window, everything slows down for a few minutes, the white window closes. At no point do I actually get to the game.
Try to get rid of the old files in your User Folder, maybe one of the logs or saves cause this error
go to %appdata%, this will take you to your AppData\Roaming folder
go up one folder to LocalLow, and delete \Le Stag
 

F68423

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All this Mike talk makes me think it'd be fun to see Laura hate fuck a guy. She'd have to be turned on by him but also really hate him. Also, MC must think he's cool, not understand why Laura hates him, and wants to see him get laid. That way we can all feel good when she gives in and fuck him.

I don't know how the story will work. Maybe she has a pet peeve or something and this one guy really pisses her off. MC thinks he's cool and they run into him occasionally and each time Laura grows to hate him and gets turned on by him more. Eventually she gives in and fucks him. Also, personally I'd want her to 40% regret it and 60% be turned on by it and want to do it again (evil Laura wins).

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On a total aside, Le Stag, I know a lot of people have been complaining about the story and how it feels boring now. First, of all I think you've been doing great, and I think the fact people complain just show how obsessed people are with the characters you wrote! However, I also remember the very first thing I learned about writing (in Kindergarten or something) was that stories are about conflict.

That conflict can be between a good guy and a bad guy, it can be between man and nature, between two people who love each other, it can be internal conflict, or many other combinations. I think a lot of people's complaints stem from a lack of conflict. In the beginning characters had to wrestle with their emotions, how they would see themselves as a person if they give into their kink (Tara is still struggling), how they would explain this new dynamic to the people in their lives, and how far down this path they would push it. I do think there's less conflict now, and wanted to give you some food for thought.

(FYI, I thought of this when writing the first part of this post when I realized how much fun it would be to see Laura's struggle between hating and horny, which is why I'm writing it here.)

I truly need to agree. Le stag is doing a great work but a conflict makes the story more interesting. I dont mean an issue or break up and get together again but a conflict of feelings. I personaly thing that is the hottest when feelings and fucking are mixing up. Thats why i suggested nathan beconing boyfriend and mc becomes cuck (in very submissive route)
Than we would see laura slowly geting feelings for nathan and and how she struggles what to do untill she tells us that she wants nathan as her boyfriend but doesnt want to lose us too and somehow figures out a way they all three can stay in a relationship. ( building a relationship like people living together. Laura and nathan fuck mc can watch but can't fuck laura anymore still all three live togehter in the same house and nathan laura and mc like each other and have a great relationship ) and than imagen telling the madhouse= ashley teasing and taras reaction

That would be what i personaly would find the hottest but that is obviously not a must have. The point that i am trieing to make is that feeling and inner conflicts make the story hotter we had allot of them which was great untill now but i fear that this part starts to get weaker now because these feelings were about kinks and laura has done now a few thinks and is (used to them) i mean yeah she will still have to get used to new kinks and won't do them in an instand but she will not take as long as she did when the started
 
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jaques

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I truly need to agree. Le stag is doing a great work but a conflict makes the story more interesting. I dont mean an issue or break up and get together again but a conflict of feelings. I personaly thing that is the hottest when feelings and fucking are mixing up. Thats why i suggested nathan beconing boyfriend and mc becomes cuck (in very submissive route)
Than we would see laura slowly geting feelings for nathan and and how she struggles what to do untill she tells us that she wants nathan as her boyfriend but doesnt want to lose us too and somehow figures out a way they all three can stay in a relationship. ( building a relationship like people living together. Laura and nathan fuck mc can watch but can't fuck laura anymore still all three live togehter in the same house and nathan laura and mc like each other and have a great relationship ) and than imagen telling the madhouse= ashley teasing and taras reaction

That would be what i personaly would find the hottest but that is obviously not a must have. The point that i am trieing to make is that feeling and inner conflicts make the story hotter we had allot of them which was great untill now but i fear that this part starts to get weaker now because these feelings were about kinks and laura has done now a few thinks and is (used to them) i mean yeah she will still have to get used to new kinks and won't do them in an instand but she will not take as long as she did when the started
LeStag already has said many times Nathan (nor anyone else) is going to replace MC as boyfriend. Laura herself also said that these activities should not encroach on her relationship with the MC.
Now, the development of feelings on its own could be a conflict point, but the likely resolution of that would be that the bull is going to be kicked to the curb and I am not sure how interesting that would be.
 

Trughartar

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Since I've been away for a while, quick question on the timings of the update - when would the next update get released for the public?
 

JQuillon

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Than we would see laura slowly geting feelings for nathan and and how she struggles what to do untill she tells us that she wants nathan as her boyfriend but doesnt want to lose us too and somehow figures out a way they all three can stay in a relationship. ( building a relationship like people living together. Laura and nathan fuck mc can watch but can't fuck laura anymore still all three live togehter in the same house and nathan laura and mc like each other and have a great relationship ) and than imagen telling the madhouse= ashley teasing and taras reaction
This would literally turn Hotwife Phone (the current game) into Cuckold Phone (your fantasy), ie it would be kind of a bait and switch that would destroy all the groundwork laid out until now. In fact, Le Stag specifically went into the opposite direction in update 0.21, when he gave Nathan a girlfriend (who is specifically *not* Laura). It's hard to see how he could be clearer about that (but at this stage, I guess even Nathan marrying Sophia and MC marrying Laura probably wouldn't be enough to convince those who desperately crave for the ultimate-cuck-go-scorched-earth-on-the-current-relationship-please route that they won't get what they want).

This is just not that kind of game, guys. Games where MC is cucked repeatedly by his wife are a dime a dozen, so you probably won't have any trouble finding what you're looking for elsewhere. Also, Sophia gives Le Stag an "out" for Nathan, who can now disappear from the game at any time, either temporarily or definitively, should the story warrant it.

As for Ashley's and Tara's reactions, it's maybe not that hard to imagine them. Tara first. MC is basically the only guy she trusts at this point, and I don't think she would enjoy seeing him "destroyed" in this way (she needs an active MC to interact with and help her out of her shell, not a passive hollow shell of a man). There's a good chance she would lose all respect, if not for MC, at least for *Laura*, for submitting her boyfriend to such an indignity. And she would probably exit the story never to return at this point, imho.

Ashley is more of a wildcard, granted. She *loves* teasing MC, calling him "cucky" etc., but notice she never goes too far. In fact, update 0.22 is very interesting regarding Ashley (and Laura). That's a spoiler if you haven't played it yet, but it almost brings the full madhouse+ (including Nathan and Marcel) relationship in a new light, especially as regards to the Ashley-Marcel dynamics. Update 0.22 is basically Laura and Ashley playing with their respective toys while waiting for the man of the house (MC) to get back to his harem (Tara's word, not mine), ie the complete oppostite of what you're asking for.

Nathan almost got nothing out of Laura twice--he ended up creampying her for the first time, but she found denying him so hot that I wouldn't be surprised if she started ruining him soon (which would flip the dynamic that MC/Laura/Nathan had at the start on its head, ie it's *MC* who is steadily gaining ground in Laura's heart and taking a more prominent role in the relationship, not Nathan). As for Ashley, she obviously totally has Marcel under her spell and now seems to want MC as a bull (it might be just teasing, sure, both for Laura and MC, but after she denied Marcel and had him jerk off to her before servicing her with his mouth, Ashley was ready and willing for MC to come fuck her while Marcel was still in the room. Would she have gone with it if Laura had said yes? Pretty sure she would have--and unless Laura needed Marcel to entertain her, there's a good chance that Ashley would have directed her BF to stay in the room, watch and jerk off again while her new bull fucked her--which Marcel hadn't been allowed to do all evening).

Ergo, neither Ashley nor Tara want a weak MC (the game is heading in the opposite direction and will almost certainly give you the opportunity to get all the girls before the end should you want that), and I don't think they would be turned on by that. Tara would probably hate it, and even if Ashley may find it fun at first, she likes that MC is sometimes able to resist her (up to a point, ofc :LOL:), or at least hold his own against her. Noone in the madhouse would "benefit" from the MC being subversient to Nathan, imho (Nathan wouldn't either, he's not Oliver or Mike; and for Laura, well, I have a hard time seeing how the Laura that we've known since the beginning of the game would enjoy such a development--but hey, maybe that's just me).
 

F68423

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This would literally turn Hotwife Phone (the current game) into Cuckold Phone (your fantasy), ie it would be kind of a bait and switch that would destroy all the groundwork laid out until now. In fact, Le Stag specifically went into the opposite direction in update 0.21, when he gave Nathan a girlfriend (who is specifically *not* Laura). It's hard to see how he could be clearer about that (but at this stage, I guess even Nathan marrying Sophia and MC marrying Laura probably wouldn't be enough to convince those who desperately crave for the ultimate-cuck-go-scorched-earth-on-the-current-relationship-please route that they won't get what they want).

This is just not that kind of game, guys. Games where MC is cucked repeatedly by his wife are a dime a dozen, so you probably won't have any trouble finding what you're looking for elsewhere. Also, Sophia gives Le Stag an "out" for Nathan, who can now disappear from the game at any time, either temporarily or definitively, should the story warrant it.

As for Ashley's and Tara's reactions, it's maybe not that hard to imagine them. Tara first. MC is basically the only guy she trusts at this point, and I don't think she would enjoy seeing him "destroyed" in this way (she needs an active MC to interact with and help her out of her shell, not a passive hollow shell of a man). There's a good chance she would lose all respect, if not for MC, at least for *Laura*, for submitting her boyfriend to such an indignity. And she would probably exit the story never to return at this point, imho.

Ashley is more of a wildcard, granted. She *loves* teasing MC, calling him "cucky" etc., but notice she never goes too far. In fact, update 0.22 is very interesting regarding Ashley (and Laura). That's a spoiler if you haven't played it yet, but it almost brings the full madhouse+ (including Nathan and Marcel) relationship in a new light, especially as regards to the Ashley-Marcel dynamics. Update 0.22 is basically Laura and Ashley playing with their respective toys while waiting for the man of the house (MC) to get back to his harem (Tara's word, not mine), ie the complete oppostite of what you're asking for.

Nathan almost got nothing out of Laura twice--he ended up creampying her for the first time, but she found denying him so hot that I wouldn't be surprised if she started ruining him soon (which would flip the dynamic that MC/Laura/Nathan had at the start on its head, ie it's *MC* who is steadily gaining ground in Laura's heart and taking a more prominent role in the relationship, not Nathan). As for Ashley, she obviously totally has Marcel under her spell and now seems to want MC as a bull (it might be just teasing, sure, both for Laura and MC, but after she denied Marcel and had him jerk off to her before servicing her with his mouth, Ashley was ready and willing for MC to come fuck her while Marcel was still in the room. Would she have gone with it if Laura had said yes? Pretty sure she would have--and unless Laura needed Marcel to entertain her, there's a good chance that Ashley would have directed her BF to stay in the room, watch and jerk off again while her new bull fucked her--which Marcel hadn't been allowed to do all evening).

Ergo, neither Ashley nor Tara want a weak MC (the game is heading in the opposite direction and will almost certainly give you the opportunity to get all the girls before the end should you want that), and I don't think they would be turned on by that. Tara would probably hate it, and even if Ashley may find it fun at first, she likes that MC is sometimes able to resist her (up to a point, ofc :LOL:), or at least hold his own against her. Noone in the madhouse would "benefit" from the MC being subversient to Nathan, imho (Nathan wouldn't either, he's not Oliver or Mike; and for Laura, well, I have a hard time seeing how the Laura that we've known since the beginning of the game would enjoy such a development--but hey, maybe that's just me).
I do get your point. First up i just wanted to state the feelings part. Feelings in conflict make a story hot. If we get used to laura fucki ng anyone than it will soon be not as hot as before. Thats why i thought of the feeling conflict part. Secondly i do get what you say about tara and ashley and yes you are correct about it if you go the confident route but if you go the sub or very sub route that you automatly dont have mc confident. About tara if we go the sub route i think she would firstly like the news ( not in like like but in horny like/ turn her on if you get what i mean )
After that she would probably be interesstet how there new relationship is suppost to work.
Than again i want to mention that at no point i would like the story to destory anyone or there relationship after all this is suppost to be a happy interesting adventure of mc laura and her friend about there kinks.
To that it could still happen that either tara and mc hock up and share the pics with the madhouse or tara hocking up with another boy or girl.
About ashley i yet cant quit figure out what her goal is. I totaly agree ashley teases everyone to the max point but doesnt overdo it but she wants the mc as the new bull ? There i need to put in that we also have the option to not have sex with her which will result in mc never having sex with her and also not become her bull. Yes ashley probably likes it if mc resists to her a bit but i do think the teasing and drolling over her makes the main happieness of her.and about sophia i do agree that she is there so that le stag can remove him from the story anytime but it could also (in my idea) be possibale that laura figures out that nathan is more than a dildo to her that is where the whole feelings part starts ( that nathan is just a human dildo for her )
But i need to add that the nathan park date /fuck and all the other date like hock ups kind of pointless if it is just sex than they can just tease each other over the phone and fuck at the location they want as soon as they are there ( and again this is for the very sub route and if you decide to ho full nathan bull route)

At last i want to say that that is what i tought after we get to know all people of the madhouse how it could go on the sub and very sub route and i wanted to stop the misunderstanding of destroying mc or break ups or people hating each other. Again i dont want and dont think that hate has anything to do with this game this game is a happy group of friends that understand each others kinks and want to help each other explore them and have fun and i think that is great and should never change.
Also i think maybe some people are mad about my idea i do think it would be a possible way the sub or very sub route could go and again could mabye le stag reads this and does understand what i thought about it now. ( i know le stag read my first commant on my idea but i think untill now everyone misunderstood it to have said hate feelings or destroying of people or somthing)

I am open for mistakes in my idea i maybe have missread or forgot about something with missleads my idea. And i am happy to talk about it.

So maybe le stag likes this idea maybe he likes some parts of it for the sub route or maybe he doesnt

And thats obversly ok most important is that le stag likes the game and continues to write it. I personaly think our ideas and commands are only there for le stag to get new ideas and ways to improve the game because at the end we all want a great long game.
 
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deviousstorm

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i am all down for more drama, but I think we need like to actually explore characters a bit more and give them things to do. I would also like Nathan and MC to actually like talk, and do things together. Bulls and Stags usually need a good relationship especially if they wanna be long term.

My big hope is we finally meet the characters that keep texting us, or you know have a side story about the MC going to meet one of these girls. Or nathan talking about it or us seeing other girls. Maybe Tara doing stuff, with MC, or other guys. Or you know seeing spicy camera sets with Nathan and him actually using his camera in unique ways. IDK there is so much you can do its a shame the dev has only just now started expanding the prespective shots for photos. Nathan is photographer, you telling me can't do interesting photos?
 
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F68423

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i am all down for more drama, but I think we need like to actually explore characters a bit more and give them things to do. I would also like Nathan and MC to actually like talk, and do things together. Bulls and Stags usually need a good relationship especially if they wanna be long term.

My big hope is we finally meet the characters that keep texting us, or you know have a side story about the MC going to meet one of these girls. Or nathan talking about it or us seeing other girls. Maybe Tara doing stuff, with MC, or other guys. Or you know seeing spicy camera sets with Nathan and him actually using his camera in unique ways. IDK there is so much you can do its a shame the dev has only just now started expanding the prespective shots for photos. Nathan is photographer, you telling me can't do interesting photos?
Great idea
To add to meeting the unknown girl we tell laura before we meet her so that we both are interessted who she is.

Also i thoughr about the camara thing and thought why not place a camara in the room and make an frequenz in which the camara takes photos that way laura and bull dont need to think about it and can enjoy there time and mc gets pictures and laira can later give the pictures and story
 
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