VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.29.2] [Le Stag]

[Joratox]

Which path are you playing on and were you by any chance using the "memories" option to start your playthrough of the new content? I haven't played the stag path but I did notice doing so causes all sorts of problems for me at this point because it doesn't account for lots of choices you would have made in the past.

In any case you SHOULD have the option to opt out of any humiliation or meanness from Oliver, and I'd imagine tell him to "fuck off" when he addresses you that way, ASSUMING you're on the right path.

Nah, they are all there on the Stag Route, with normal gameplay/save system. No memory loaded or stuff.

Chose the option for Oliver to not humiliate, then the scene as a whole had no point in happening on a stag route.

First of all, you say you want to watch, but Oliver doesn't...so you either get to stay outside the room or not come to YOUR HOUSE at all...Bitch get the fuck out!
Second, all the dialogue is the same obnoxious shit happening, from "how's my little slut" to "He says I'm the perfect lil fleshlight" to
EDIT: Sure, Laura responds that MCs cock is better if on stag route...but damn if it doesn't feel hollow as fuck.

I don't think Stag is intentionally forcing Oliver on you, it's just a limitation of the way he's making this game and writing the story.

you simply have to do better at story telling.

Well at that stage just remove all the choices in the game and the stag route then and make it a kinetic novel and stop wasting peoples time if the dev isn't gonna even try to make those paths make sense

Dev either took on more than he could handle and now he's trying to mix and match things to fit an easier storyline...ooor he intentionally advertised and created the illusion that there would be a lot of routes and content for them to get more patrons interested. Either way, it's clear he doesn't understand the dynamic of sharing/open relationships, as I said before. The number 1 condition for ANY sharing relationship is being able to say NO to some of the partners that are possibly getting involved. That's it, either a stag or a sub cuck, the MC should get to say NO if he wishes it. He advertised a game with choices, not a kinetic novel or a book.

 

[Le Stag]

I played it far enough, he was still an insufferable asshole within the first three lines "So, how's my favorite little slut?" "He says I'm the perfect little fleshlight". Why would I want our MC's partner to be around somebody who doesn't respect them or their partner.

That's something Laura specifically agreed to. She enjoys it.

Just like your girlfriend would be free IRL to consent to a guy talking to her like that, Laura is free to consent to Oliver calling her a slut. That's her choice. I want her to be an interesting, free character, not exclusively an extention of your desires. And that implies having defined tastes, and making choices for herself.

Laura enjoys having a bull disrespecting her. She has fun with it, and if you understand what Netorase is, you'll have fun knowing she's enjoying herself.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Having played the recent update with Oliver being back, he seemed fine cocky yeah and in regards to being respectful outside of his cockiness the chat between them is largely minor ( now I hadnt played when Oliver was previously in so I can't compare)

But one thing I did find when Oliver comes back on the scene was Laura became super fucking annoying ( don't know if anyone else thought the same) and I'm sure she was written in a way to ramp it all up , by my god I just wanted to tell her to give over at stages

 

[Le Stag]

Second, all the dialogue is the same obnoxious shit happening, from "how's my little slut" to "He says I'm the perfect lil fleshlight" to View attachment 5448605

It's funny you deliberately chose to cut there, and ignore Laura answering (on Stag routes) that yours is actually perfect, the best one she's ever had, and putting Oliver at third place.

it's clear he doesn't understand the dynamic of sharing/open relationships

And it's clear you don't understand the limitations of a video game. I cannot give you every single choice you'd have in real life. That is simply not possible at all.

I explained exactly why, in detail, and you ignored it. And I'm the one arguing in bad faith...


I'll make things simple: I made a vote for this issue, and Supporters voted to bring Oliver back. I explained why I had to make him mandatory, explained the limitations of the game's format, and most people understood. I released the update and it was my most popular update ever. The handful of you complaining about this issue right now are basically the only ones doing it.

So, yeah, you might dislike it. I'm really sorry my game didn't fit your specific tastes. But, bottom line, that's life. I cannot please everyone. Next time, feel free to join the polls on Patreon to voice your opinion and help shape the game, but I'm not going to change the game's direction because a few people accuse me of "not understanding the dynamic of open relationships", while deliberately refusing to understand the dynamics and limitations of a video game.

 

[Le Stag]

Having played the recent update with Oliver being back, he seemed fine cocky yeah and in regards to being respectful outside of his cockiness the chat between them is largely minor ( now I hadnt played when Oliver was previously in so I can't compare)

But one thing I did find when Oliver comes back on the scene was Laura became super fucking annoying ( don't know if anyone else thought the same) and I'm sure she was written in a way to ramp it all up , by my god I just wanted to tell her to give over at stages

In what parts did you find her annoying?

 

[Joratox]

It's funny you deliberately chose to cut there, and ignore Laura answering (on Stag routes) that yours is actually perfect, the best one she's ever had.

I edited my post before u replied. And this is why I said you don't know how to write the story from that perspective. Because Oliver keeps pushing his buttons but MC has to just deal with it, because Laura enjoys it. It's utterly blatant that you can't make a difference between submissive and dominant. More on that below.

Laura enjoys having a bull disrespecting her. She has fun with it, and if you understand what Netorase is, you'll have fun knowing she's enjoying herself.

This is why I keep saying that you are the one not understanding. You are writing a game with choices, where the "player" immerses himself into the MCs role. They are intertwined. If your player dislikes some of the content offered, he should decide to avoid it. That's why this is a game with choices and the ability to rename the MC. Laura isn't the main character here and while she should have agency of her own, that agency shouldn't trample over MCs agency. Laura can maybe make some mistakes and maybe go too far, but then if the MC asks her to, she should correct them and respect him. This is the whole point of sharing. Otherwise, it's just a female domination game, where she does whatever she pleases and you MUST enjoy it.

If you are writing a kinetic novel, then say so and be honest about it.

 

[slightchance]

But one thing I did find when Oliver comes back on the scene was Laura became super fucking annoying ( don't know if anyone else thought the same)

Oh no, you're definitely not alone. She's got tunnel vision and MC's standing in her way. Instead of having a cock taking care of her needs she has to give rapport to her boyfriend over text and have him guess how much pleasure she had when she was getting railed by Oliver.

 

[Le Stag]

If you are writing a kinetic novel, then say so and be honest about it.

I've always said that it was. Always explained that it was a single fixed story, with choices only affecting the "mood" of the dialogues. Constantly, for a year and a half now.

And now you're accusing me of saying the opposite?!

Maybe the issue isn't that I'm dishonest, but that you don't know how to read?

 

[Le Stag]

Oh no, you're definitely not alone. She's got tunnel vision and MC's standing in her way. Instead of having a cock taking care of her needs she has to give rapport to her boyfriend over text and have him guess how much pleasure she had when she was getting railed by Oliver.

Well, that's the point of the game, for her to tell you everything. That's the focus of the story. How would you have wanted things differently?

 

[mrlgg]

Game's about A but people complain because it's not about B? Lol wtf. Go complain to some FPS game why you can't play it like a RTS lol.

 

[Le Stag]

Game's about A but people complain because it's not about B? Lol wtf. Go complain to some FPS game why you can't play it like a RTS lol.

I mean, at least we don't have people complaining about NTS being mandatory in a NTS game anymore.

 

[Joratox]

I've always said that it was. Always explained that it was a single fixed story, with choices only affecting the "mood" of the dialogues. Constantly, for a year and a half now.

And now you're accusing me of saying the opposite?!

Maybe the issue isn't that I'm dishonest, but that you don't know how to read?

Thanks for the clarification. I've read some of the things you've been saying in the past, but they felt like excuses to cut down on dev time, not that you are making a kinetic novel. Since you've confirmed it, I'm gonna ask a mod to add the tag in, so other people don't get confused like me. Doorknob22

 

[Chaoticjustice]

In what parts did you find her annoying?

Honestly just her whole interactions with Oliver and telling the MC about it all like it all just felt too "keen" on her end - obviously I don't mean in away of her leaving the MC for him it just felt excessive well for the stag route that is at least - now it could be down to the fact that it's broken down into an absolute abundance of single sentences rather that makes it feel excess , but I'd need to sit and replay it again and pick it apart properly before I could definitively give you an answer but happy to send it over at some stage if you like

Also the whole bit about her asking to stand outside and listen and then getting the option to say you'd rather be in the room to which at that stage she is more concerned around what Oliver wants rather than the MC - so that felt abit off on the stag route at least

Also part of me would of loved it if on the option of your so desperate it came across more as like a light jab to Laura to keep her grounded

Also on the route where Laura allows the MC to sleep around as well any plans for any humiliation esque situations for her

 

[mrlgg]

Also the whole bit about her asking to stand outside and listen and then getting the option to say you'd rather be in the room to which at that stage she is more concerned around what Oliver wants rather than the MC - so that felt abit off on the stag route at least

On this i do agree though, but i understand that the game as a whole is clearly mainly meant for cucks so that's what it is.

 

[Feru452ax]

Our girl just make vanilla sex with the same guys always, its getting boring.

We should have a path more kinky, with strangers, sex in the nightclub, orgies, etc.

The writting is good, but its becoming the same old thing: The same guys doing the same sex, before MC gets home, share pictures in group with friends and thats it.

 

[slightchance]

Well, that's the point of the game, to tell you everything. That's the focus of the story. How would you have wanted things differently?

Where to begin?

I was hinting at the mood of those conversations, not why they're happening. I welcome MC being a doormat now. Makes your job much easier.

 

[whatwouldgokudo]

8/10 update. Needs more Oliver, also a chastity cage on cucky with some spanking from Oliver.
And before anyone asks "Oliver spanking cucky or Laura?" the answer is yes.

 

[Le Stag]

On this i do agree though, but i understand that the game as a whole is clearly mainly meant for cucks so that's what it is.

I try to make the game for everyone, even though some updates are more focused on certain Tendencies (and 0.29 was clearly focused on Cucks). But I cannot have completely different stories for Tendencies, so events like Laura inviting you to listen have to basically be the same independently of your Tendency, with sometimes some dialogues fitting a bit less with one or the other.

 

[Celina_]

This is an absolutely fantastic game Le Stag, and it's the best porn game I've ever played, bar none. I'm positively surprised by how much you listen to and engage with the community.

I do think the fastest way to ruin a game would be trying to cater to everyone's needs, so I'm just happy to hear you're not trying to do that. Even if you eventually take the game in a direction I don't like, I think the best you can do is stay true to your vision for the game and story. It really shows that you're writing and developing a game you feel passionate about.

It's absolutely awesome, and I look forward to every single update. Keep up the fantastic work!

 

[Tina Yeung]

Great writing and game. I am looking forward to more!