VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.29.2] [Le Stag]

[Le Stag]

For example, the "MC cheating on Laura" situations I described could be easily avoided with just 1 additional choice to contact Laura, and a handful of messages between MC and Laura before "it" happens.

The first time, the very first blowjob, Laura knows what's happening, but the MC does not know that she knows... yet we never get the choice to confirm with her.

Except that, before it happens, Laura explicitly tells you Ashley has contacted her, and says, I quote, "Just know that she's made sure that I was okay with her plans".

So, at some point, I'm starting to wonder if some of you even read the dialogues, or if I need to add a big red "THAT MEANS ASHLEY TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING TO SUCK YOUR COCK AND LAURA IS OKAY WITH IT".

 

[Petrix]

Yes, because, once again, I CANNOT give in to your every choices. I cannot write every combination of every decision you could take. That's simply not possible at all. Do you realize how impossible it would be for a game to not "force things down your throats"?

So, yeah, you as the player don't actually have full control over events. You cannot completely remove people from the story, and you cannot decide exactly what Laura will do. You have to accept some of her unilateral decisions. And I'm getting tired of people accusing me of "not understanding how such a relationship works" when they refuse to understand the limitation of a kinetic visual novel. I HAVE to make most things mandatory. That's the story. That's how it will play out, because that's how it HAS to play out.

Please take a minute to think about the consequences, the real life, development-side consequences, of some of the things you're asking. Some suggestions I see here would literally take weeks of work in the long run, just to let you have ONE (1) specific choice, because it would create so many more ramifications that you think.

Yes, in real life, you would have more control. But this is not real life, this is a story. Just like Call of Duty doesn't allow you to defect and go live as a hermit in the forests of Canada, because that's not the story that's being told there, NTS Phone doesn't allow you to forbid Laura from having partners, because that's the story I'm telling.

I'm deeply, sincerely sorry some of you cannot wrap your heads around the fact that this is fantasy. That this is fiction. That this is a medium with inherent limitations, that cannot respect every single real life rules of such relationships. But your inability to accept that doesn't create any obligation from me to cater to you. NTS Phone, in its current state, is the story I'm writing, the one I wanted to write, and the one I'll keep writing. There are thousands of other video games out there, and I'm sure you'll find what you want there.

When you play Call of Duty, you accept that you play as a character prepared to kill other human beings, even though you, yourself, might not want that.

Well, when you play NTS Phone, you should accept that you play as a character that doesn't want to forbid his girlfriend from having partners, and gives her freedom in how to enjoy this kink, even though you, yourself, might not want that.


So, if you have issues with specific "how are things handled" moments, such as the "I'd rather be there" not being taken into account (which I could probably have handled better), I'm all ears. But if this feedback is drowned in "I don't want to have mandatory elements because I don't like them", I won't read it, because I'm tired of it.

I personally don’t mind the fact Oliver is back. The ONLY problem I have is what you said in the last part, if I want to be in the room, then I need to be in the room. This breaks the immersion of hotwifing to me, and it becomes less consesual. I feel like even though she wants to be dominated, our feelings should still be number one priority. I understand it’s hard to make more branches, but I feel like this little detail, our presence, wouldn’t change the story too much.

 

[cleetus66]

FFS, will you even try understanding that the story changed?! Do I need to create a F95 version opening with a big red "The story has been retconned, you didn't ask Laura to get rid of Oliver"? Or would even that be not enough because some of you cannot handle changes?

If it helps, I think most of us are happy with your progress. It's just that after post nut clarity we move on with our day instead of writing some giant manifesto about our specific tastes.

 

[Le Stag]

I personally don’t mind the fact Oliver is back. The ONLY problem I have is what you said in the last part, if I want to be in the room, then I need to be in the room. This breaks the immersion of hotwifing to me, and it becomes less consesual. I feel like even though she wants to be dominated, our feelings should still be number one priority. I understand it’s hard to make more branches, but I feel like this little detail, our presence, wouldn’t change the story too much.

Then people would complain that it's even more subby to be in the room and not participating (something I'd agree with).

Also, a whole lot of dialogues would have to be changed if you were in the room. You were there, you saw, it's definitely not the same thing as just listening. You cannot imagine the mess it already is to play with the different variables in this chapter (between you listening or not, masturbating or not, Oliver mocking you or not, and the different Tendencies, some dialogues can have more than 12 different variations already to account for every situation).

So, what I'll do is change the dialogues so that the idea of being in the room isn't mentioned. But people will probably complain that you're railroaded, and don't have an option to completely change the whole chapter.

 

[Le Stag]

If it helps, I think most of us are happy with your progress. It's just that after post nut clarity we move on with our day instead of writing some giant manifesto about our specific tastes.

Yeah, I know, and I love you for that.

It's just that I enjoyed coming here to get different opinions on the game, from people that weren't (yet) subscribers.

But now, instead of that, I get dozens of "I don't understand how the game works, but let me explain you how you don't understand your story". That's not helpful at all, I can't get much out of it, and that drowns criticism that I could actually use.

Also, it's grating, but that's my problem I suppose.

 

[Ubivashka123]

I need to add a big red

Of course! And for every action!
- "Want to see a photo?" - YOU WILL SEE A PHOTO
- "Did you cum in Laura?" - YOU WILL SEE A PHOTO OF YOU CUMING IN LAURA
- "Do you want to see me suck Nathan?" - YOU WILL SEE A PHOTO OF A BLOWJOB
ЕТС. You get the logic

 

[Petrix]

Then people would complain that it's even more subby to be in the room and not participating (something I'd agree with).

Also, a whole lot of dialogues would have to be changed if you were in the room. You were there, you saw, it's definitely not the same thing as just listening. You cannot imagine the mess it already is to play with the different variables in this chapter (between you listening or not, masturbating or not, Oliver mocking you or not, and the different Tendencies, some dialogues can have more than 12 different variations already to account for every situation).

So, what I'll do is change the dialogues so that the idea of being in the room isn't mentioned. But people will probably complain that you're railroaded, and don't have an option to completely change the whole chapter.

I understand where you are coming from, but at the end of the day, even if some people think it’s more subby to be in the room with them together, it’s still a choice you can make, you are not forced to choose the option to be in the room. If anything, in my opinion, it’s more humiliating and degrading to be told by your loved one that you are not allowed in the room because the person, you are trusting and sharing your fantasy with (in this case Oliver), said so. I think our word should be number one priority.

If you change it so Laura doesn’t even come up with the idea of you going home and listening to them, then it’s another thing. Other person fucking her without your presence happened before, and since you are not denied of anything, it’s less humiliating. (This is only my opinion.)

I think the best case win-win scenario would be allowing us in the room and doing yet another branch, for the sake of “every” player (even though you can’t satisfy every player).
The 2nd best scenario would be removing the option alltogether, and just stay at work while it happens.

 

[packard1928]

the game did not start chapter 55 and 56 from my last save. I had to go into "memories" pick the chapter and do some playlist then it starts ...same after completing 55 . Had to do the same for 56. ??? never had to do that before ?

 

[zeral]

I'm more into sub/maso side and the update was a banger for me. My only problem with Oliver was his shittalk towards MC (I don't find it hot when it's coming from a guy, but Laura can humiliate me all she wants). With the option to turn it off it's gucci.

 

[Joratox]

Yeah, I know, and I love you for that.

It's just that I enjoyed coming here to get different opinions on the game, from people that weren't (yet) subscribers.

But now, instead of that, I get dozens of "I don't understand how the game works, but let me explain you how you don't understand your story". That's not helpful at all, I can't get much out of it, and that drowns criticism that I could actually use.

Also, it's grating, but that's my problem I suppose.

So, I've calmed down a bit from yesterday where I was a tad aggressive with "you don't understand how to write dom sharing", so I apologize. I still feel that way, it hasn't changed, but there was no need for me to go too far.

The fact that you got hit with all the rage criticism instead of better worded one should be somewhat helpful too. It means you definitely struck a sensitive chord and got kneejerk reactions. That should point out pretty fast to a "misstep" on your part.

That being said, from now on I'm gonna switch to a sub playthough, since you are way better at writing that part and I don't want to get angry/disappointed again while playing stag. I can roleplay as both, so at least there's that for me. I won't go back to a Stag playthrough unless you magically announced that you are rewriting it (maybe something to think when you complete the game, wink wink).

As a curiosity, do you have any data about the percentage of players on each route ? (Dunno if the game collects data, or maybe you have polls with it). If not, maybe think about how you could obtain it, it might give you some insights on the players mind.

You've asked yesterday what felt obnoxious about Oliver's scene and about why even Laura's behavior felt that way. I'm gonna try to give some feedback from my perspective. I'll put it in spoiler because wall of text.

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Thx and srry for the wall of text, I would say if it's not helpful to you, it's at least sincere.

 

[Petrix]

So, I've calmed down a bit from yesterday where I was a tad aggressive with "you don't understand how to write dom sharing", so I apologize. I still feel that way, it hasn't changed, but there was no need for me to go too far.

The fact that you got hit with all the rage criticism instead of better worded one should be somewhat helpful too. It means you definitely struck a sensitive chord and got kneejerk reactions. That should point out pretty fast to a "misstep" on your part.

That being said, from now on I'm gonna switch to a sub playthough, since you are way better at writing that part and I don't want to get angry/disappointed again while playing stag. I can roleplay as both, so at least there's that for me. I won't go back to a Stag playthrough unless you magically announced that you are rewriting it (maybe something to think when you complete the game, wink wink).

As a curiosity, do you have any data about the percentage of players on each route ? (Dunno if the game collects data, or maybe you have polls with it). If not, maybe think about how you could obtain it, it might give you some insights on the players mind.

You've asked yesterday what felt obnoxious about Oliver's scene and about why even Laura's behavior felt that way. I'm gonna try to give some feedback from my perspective. I'll put it in spoiler because wall of text.

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Thx and srry for the wall of text, I would say if it's not helpful to you, it's at least sincere.

In my opinion, it doesn’t matter what route you are on, let it be dom or sub, if you tell your loved one you want to be there, then she has to agree because at the end of the day, you are the only one she loves and your needs matter the most, not the random bull she decided to fuck. Oliver holds no value in their relationship, his only job is to fuck Laura.

 

[Joratox]

In my opinion, it doesn’t matter what route you are on, let it be dom or sub, if you tell your loved one you want to be there, then she has to agree because at the end of the day, you are the only one she loves and your needs matter the most, not the random bull she decided to fuck. Oliver holds no value in their relationship, his only job is to fuck Laura.

I somewhat agree to that, but there is a certain roleplay for sub to be denied things. Of course you are right in the case if MC switches to serious mode after being denied and say no, I want to be there, then yes, take the hint and listen. The bull doesn't get to choose for real, he can fuck off if he doesn't like it.

 

[Petrix]

I somewhat agree to that, but there is a certain roleplay for sub to be denied things. Of course you are right in the case if MC switches to serious mode after being denied and say no, I want to be there, then yes, take the hint and listen. The bull doesn't get to choose for real, he can fuck off if he doesn't like it.

Yeah well said, I agree.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

I don't feel like I have to be critical of the game as a whole or the newest chapter. I just let him write what he wants at this point ☝. On a positive note i like the Christmas vignette the most and when Nathan does the talk to text. That's my favorite part of this game.

 

[Nex]

FFS, will you even try understanding that the story changed?! Do I need to create a F95 version opening with a big red "The story has been retconned, you didn't ask Laura to get rid of Oliver"? Or would even that be not enough because some of you cannot handle changes?

So you are also changing the story to only be a submissive cuckold route as well then? Since that's also how this update played out. I can handle changes just fine but that doesn't mean not acknowledging the drastic shift in tone or behavior of the characters.

I somewhat agree to that, but there is a certain roleplay for sub to be denied things. Of course you are right in the case if MC switches to serious mode after being denied and say no, I want to be there, then yes, take the hint and listen. The bull doesn't get to choose for real, he can fuck off if he doesn't like it.

Indeed, I don't get it how in a NTS game where it was previously optional to interact with this guy at all. Meaning losing scenes completely back then as well. It's now "too hard" to cater to any choice involving this character. Especially when it involves him humiliating the MC and the MC's gf getting off on it regardless of the MC's feelings. This has gone past not having to deal with every possible choice in the world and instead forcing NTR humiliation with no other choice at all. If that's the route he wants to take the game fine. Though it shouldn't be such a shock that a good number of people find it distasteful after how the game has played out up until now.

 

[reirrr]

So, I've calmed down a bit from yesterday where I was a tad aggressive with "you don't understand how to write dom sharing", so I apologize. I still feel that way, it hasn't changed, but there was no need for me to go too far.

The fact that you got hit with all the rage criticism instead of better worded one should be somewhat helpful too. It means you definitely struck a sensitive chord and got kneejerk reactions. That should point out pretty fast to a "misstep" on your part.

That being said, from now on I'm gonna switch to a sub playthough, since you are way better at writing that part and I don't want to get angry/disappointed again while playing stag. I can roleplay as both, so at least there's that for me. I won't go back to a Stag playthrough unless you magically announced that you are rewriting it (maybe something to think when you complete the game, wink wink).

As a curiosity, do you have any data about the percentage of players on each route ? (Dunno if the game collects data, or maybe you have polls with it). If not, maybe think about how you could obtain it, it might give you some insights on the players mind.

You've asked yesterday what felt obnoxious about Oliver's scene and about why even Laura's behavior felt that way. I'm gonna try to give some feedback from my perspective. I'll put it in spoiler because wall of text.

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Thx and srry for the wall of text, I would say if it's not helpful to you, it's at least sincere.

This guy is obsessed. I think he might actually be in love with Laura or believe he is the MC. He said he was gonna quit the game and now he is saying he will "change to a sub route". Fucking hilarious.

 

[Joratox]

Indeed, I don't get it how in a NTS game where it was previously optional to interact with this guy at all. Meaning losing scenes back then completely as well. It's now "too hard" to cater to any choice involving this character.

I won't open that can of worms again. I don't like or agree with the dev on bringing Oliver back, but he said that he is writing a kinetic novel, in regards to the overall story being a fixed setting. I can understand that so I won't argue it anymore. I've tagged a mod to add the kinetic tag to the OP, it hasn't happened it, hopefully it will. At least people will know what they are getting. I was also confused and mad about losing agency, but a kinetic novel is a kinetic novel, I can suspend by belief and roll with it.

 

[Joratox]

This guy is obsessed. I think he might actually be in love with Laura or believe he is the MC. He said he was gonna quit the game and now he is saying he will "change to a sub route". Fucking hilarious.

Ah you're one of the guys that can't read and have zero media literacy. I've seen 2 more around, tried to engage with them but ended up ignoring them. You'll get there too.

Maybe my memory is faulty, but where the fuck did I say I'll stop playing ?

 

[Sayora]

This guy is obsessed. I think he might actually be in love with Laura or believe he is the MC. He said he was gonna quit the game and now he is saying he will "change to a sub route". Fucking hilarious.

Apparently, he finally realized that complaining and trying to teach the author how to make games properly wasn't the best idea. And the fact that he wasn't going anywhere was clear from the number of posts he churned out.

 

[NicholasG2112]

Just finished playing the update and I loved it.
Can't see the problem people have with Oliver.
We currently have three "bulls" :
1. Nathan is the safe vanilla guy who is most like the MC but who makes sure you know he is "role-playing" - more of a second boyfriend.
2. Hugo is younger and inexperienced and that allows Laura to be the leader in the relationship.
3. Oliver who is assertive / dominant and brings out Laura's submissive side and also plays to the MC's cuck/hotwife kink.

I think that gives a pretty good spread for MC and Laura to get different things from each bull which I suspect is LeStag's intention.
Sprinkle in a few other random encounters and the side quests with Ashley, Tara etc. and Laura's "modelling" career on Squaregram and there are lots of interesting possibilities ahead which I am really looking forward to.

The frequent updates (for which I am very grateful) do mean that every so often there will be one that is short of content on one path or another but that's the price we pay for regular new content.