VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.29.2] [Le Stag]

[Ankhesenamun]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are playing/enjoying the game without self-inserting into the story. Props to you if that's your method of playing. Myself, I like to insert into the story and roleplay that specific route. As I mentioned before, I can roleplay both a dominant character or a submissive one.

If you are inserting as well and you roleplay as a dominant MC, I'm fairly curious about how you manage to enjoy/accept another dominant character bossing you and Laura around. I'm not*(edited because I missed the word) saying it's not possible, it just seems counter intuitive for me.

Glad that you like the game. I like most parts of it myself.

Funny you'd mention that in regards to self-insertion. For a while, when it first came to prominence, I didn't quite understand the hate towards NTR. I thought it'd be any man's fetish to be so much of an alpha, that you'd take someone else's girl, and corrupt her into cheating on her boyfriend with you. It was later on that it finally clicked on me: people self-insert as the MC, not the antagonist!

Maybe it's personal taste, maybe it's neurodivergence, but I always found myself cheering for the antagonist in movies, series, books. An automatic process, it's not me wanting to be different. Antagonists, to me, feel "cool", strong, like they don't exist in conformity with the protagonist's view, or that of the society in which the protagonist lives.

I transposed that automatically to NTR. My "self-insert" were the "antagonists". Curious how the same story can be read so differently by different people, isn't it?

 

[Joratox]

Funny you'd mention that in regards to self-insertion. For a while, when it first came to prominence, I didn't quite understand the hate towards NTR. I thought it'd be any man's fetish to be so much of an alpha, that you'd take someone else's girl, and corrupt her into cheating on her boyfriend with you. It was later on that it finally clicked on me: people self-insert as the MC, not the antagonist!

Maybe it's personal taste, maybe it's neurodivergence, but I always found myself cheering for the antagonist in movies, series, books. An automatic process, it's not me wanting to be different. Antagonists, to me, feel "cool", strong, like they don't exist in conformity with the protagonist's view, or that of the society in which the protagonist lives.

I transposed that automatically to NTR. My "self-insert" were the "antagonists". Curious how the same story can be read so differently by different people, isn't it?

You're right, people always find different ways to enjoy or interpret things, that's why it's basically impossible to please everyone. There are too many factors involved in how one individual is forming their perception of the world, from upbringing, close group of friends, society, religion, etc.
I've never cared for antagonists per se, even the better written ones in books or movies, even those who had a "reason" to become villains... to me they seemed weak and flawed, giving up "control" of their life to hate, greed or madness. That's not to say a lot of "heroes" aren't flawed and they also give up control of their life to righteous goals. I've always cheered for more morally grey characters, ones that seemed to break molds, do their own thing and seem to enjoy life more, even though they are shunned by many of both categories.

 

[turbokinetics]

Funny you'd mention that in regards to self-insertion. For a while, when it first came to prominence, I didn't quite understand the hate towards NTR. I thought it'd be any man's fetish to be so much of an alpha, that you'd take someone else's girl, and corrupt her into cheating on her boyfriend with you. It was later on that it finally clicked on me: people self-insert as the MC, not the antagonist!

Maybe it's personal taste, maybe it's neurodivergence, but I always found myself cheering for the antagonist in movies, series, books. An automatic process, it's not me wanting to be different. Antagonists, to me, feel "cool", strong, like they don't exist in conformity with the protagonist's view, or that of the society in which the protagonist lives.

I transposed that automatically to NTR. My "self-insert" were the "antagonists". Curious how the same story can be read so differently by different people, isn't it?

People self inserting so easily and not liking ntr is mostly psychological as these stories are told from the cucked persons POV. Its pretty normal to self insert into the MC. If they really wanted to stop people from self inserting theyd tell the story from the bulls perspective or a 3rd person, everyones pov, so their isnt a MC so to speak. Overwhelming chunk of stories are meant for some self insertion. Add in that the ntr crowd cant stop going into games where ntr doesnt even fit the story and pressure it to be added. Too much fiction, especially between ntr and nts enjoyers.

 

[slightchance]

It was later on that it finally clicked on me: people self-insert as the MC, not the antagonist!

You left out a third role: the spectator. Some people enjoy all three roles, some prefer one over the other.

That you are cheering for every antagonist blindly has nothing to do with it though. Could be your love for revenge, or a need for justice in grey areas. Or perhaps you respond positively to authoritarian leadership. Or they remind you of the struggles you're facing yourself. If you reflect on it a bit more you will figure out, I'm sure.

 

[Antani101]

Self inserting is kind of the point in a game from first person PoV where the Main Character is as blank of a slate as possible

 

[Joratox]

Too much fiction, especially between ntr and nts enjoyers.

I'd wager there's the same amount of friction between ntr and nts enjoyers, as it is between ntr enjoyers and harem enjoyers. The kinks are very different.

You left out a third role: the spectator. Some people enjoy all three roles, some prefer one over the other.

Yep, I personally know a friend that enjoys ntr games because he looks at them as a spectator. He's that guy with the popcorn that enjoys the scandal and the drama that both the cuck and the bull provide.

Self inserting is kind of the point in a game from first person PoV where the Main Character is as blank of a slate as possible

True. It's the reason I have a hard time trying to self-insert into the mind of the book or movie character, because it's a fixed setting. Games that offer choices and paths and consequences are the best medium to self-insert.

 

[JinDrago]

anyone got a full gallery save not real time to play when working 16 hour days

 

[Antani101]

It's the reason I have a hard time trying to self-insert into the mind of the book or movie character, because it's a fixed setting.

It's not just that, book and movie characters have a personality.

This character doesn't outside of what he thinks about Laura and the whole sharing thing.

He almost never shows up in pics, except for his dick, works a non-descript job without any specified hours, we don't even know how he commutes.

 

[Le Stag]

Nah, I'm seriously confused why you are listening to people who "can't read" and "don't understand the game" all of the sudden.

I'm listening to the other people. The ones giving constructive feedback.

Writing him like an ass was your vision, was it not?

You're not among those ones, clearly...

 

[Le Stag]

He caved in at least 3 times (that I know of) to pressure from patreon bleeding money.

Oh yeah? Mind sharing these? Because I'm not aware of those. I've never "bled Patreon money". Ever.

You know, it's really ridiculous how you people keep complaining that I can't take criticism, but when I take feedback into account, suddenly I'm "caving" because Patreon is "bleeding money" (it's not).

A lot of his patrons are pushing for NTR like content and getting Laura to be a mindless slut so he's losing a lot of patrons that enjoy the more balanced story that he promised at the start.

Okay, so not only are you unable to give constructive criticism, you're apparently unable to see things.

He already lost a couple of hundred $

Yeah, right... I gained 132 Supporters since the update released, so mind telling me exactly how I lost those couple hundred dollars? Because according to my counts (and I'm an ex accountant, so they're good), this month is my best month ever. But I suppose you'd know better...

Nothing you're saying makes sense. You're just spewing bullshit at that point, probably because you're angry I'm not listening to you.

I'm not listening to feedback because I'm losing money (I'm clearly, definitely not). I'm listening to feedback because some people (not you, clearly) have feedback that is constructive, makes sense, and take into account what the game actually is. They are able to convey it politely, instead of accusing me of not understanding, or sharing blatant lies. I listen to these people, because their opinion is valuable to me, like I always did.

 

[Le Stag]

It's not just that, book and movie characters have a personality.

This character doesn't outside of what he thinks about Laura and the whole sharing thing.

He almost never shows up in pics, except for his dick, works a non-descript job without any specified hours, we don't even know how he commutes.

That's the point. He's a blank slate. I know some people dislike that, but I know it also helps some people identify with a character.

Which is why I made a poll on this topic, and let the players choose.

 

[Hung1992]

Funny you'd mention that in regards to self-insertion. For a while, when it first came to prominence, I didn't quite understand the hate towards NTR. I thought it'd be any man's fetish to be so much of an alpha, that you'd take someone else's girl, and corrupt her into cheating on her boyfriend with you. It was later on that it finally clicked on me: people self-insert as the MC, not the antagonist!

Maybe it's personal taste, maybe it's neurodivergence, but I always found myself cheering for the antagonist in movies, series, books. An automatic process, it's not me wanting to be different. Antagonists, to me, feel "cool", strong, like they don't exist in conformity with the protagonist's view, or that of the society in which the protagonist lives.

I transposed that automatically to NTR. My "self-insert" were the "antagonists". Curious how the same story can be read so differently by different people, isn't it?

it's neurodivergence

 

[Hung1992]

I'm listening to the other people.

I want a Tara spin off

Make it isekai

 

[kemmotar]

Huh? What happened to I am the author (ity) here ? Or was the backlash on Patreon the same?

Hey, he choose to go for the stag route instead of the dominat stag route and there is no shaming for that, now more seriously, I think that's a fine fix, now the guys that think Laura is their real girlfriend can you all shut up and drop the topic? We need to focus on what's really important, making sure we make LeStag finally cave and give us Tara

 

[Joratox]

Oh yeah? Mind sharing these? Because I'm not aware of those

First time you caved to the NTR crowd, because they were yelling Nathan is too vanilla, so you added Oliver and made him super obnoxious. 2nd time was when you caved to the Oliver haters and made him optional, then 3rd time when you caved in again to pressure and made a poll to re-add Oliver. Who followed this game from it's inception knows these facts. You keep telling that you are writing your own story, but every time there's a party of people leaving your patreon you immediately change stuff to put out the fire.
The strat seems to work for you, since you are quite successful.

Okay, so not only are you unable to give constructive criticism,

Oh, I gave a bunch of constructive feedback, also a bunch of non-constructive feedback, for which I even apologized in a direct reply to you.

Yeah, right... I gained 132 Supporters since the update released, so mind telling me exactly how I lost those couple hundred dollars? Because according to my counts (and I'm an ex accountant, so they're good), this month is my best month ever. But I suppose you'd know better...

SS from yesterday, I'm mad at me for not making a SS from your release day since it was higher.


SS from now:

I know, it's lower than I said because I don't have the earlier numbers, and you'll probably even come with the excuse that patrons just subbed for release and canceled after. Time will tell how much bullshit you can get away with.

Which is why I made a poll on this topic, and let the players choose.

Soo, instead of letting the players play the game and decide for themselves, you create a fixed setting based on some of the players. So very blank slate of you. Btw, your own supporters argued that you promised a setting where Oliver returns with a proper story and you deceived those too by retconning the story...

 

[Le Stag]

First time you caved to the NTR crowd, because they were yelling Nathan is too vanilla, so you added Oliver and made him super obnoxious. 2nd time was when you caved to the Oliver haters and made him optional, then 3rd time when you caved in again to pressure and made a poll to re-add Oliver. Who followed this game from it's inception knows these facts. You keep telling that you are writing your own story, but every time there's a party of people leaving your patreon you immediately change stuff to put out the fire.
The strat seems to work for you, since you are quite successful.

You're so freaking wrong it's impressive. Oliver was added long before people complained Nathan was "too vanilla". Do you even know WHEN Oliver was added?

When I made Oliver optional, I didn't "cave in" to people. I listened to feedback and acted accordingly.

Exactly the same for Oliver return.

And strictly none of these decisions was motivated by people leaving the Patreon, since it's always growing. Always. That's specifically what allows me to make decisions by myself, instead of looking at numbers all day, trying to maximize my profit. I write what I think is good, sometimes fail, listen to feedback, and course correct. I've always done that. There's no "start" at work, other than trying to do things properly. THAT is why I'm successful.

Oh, I gave a bunch of constructive feedback, also a bunch of non-constructive feedback, for which I even apologized in a direct reply to you.

You gave absolutely no constructive feedback at all. If you think the bullshit you're spewing is "constructive feedback", you're even worse than I thought.

SS from yesterday, I'm mad at me for not making a SS from your release day since it was higher.
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SS from now:
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I know, it's lower than I said because I don't have the earlier numbers, and you'll probably even come with the excuse that patrons just subbed for release and canceled after. Time will tell how much bullshit you can get away with.

Oh man, a 24 hours sample! Impressive.

Wanna see the numbers I have?

November 10th, the day before release: 1916 Supporters
Today, November 20th: 2048 Supporters

But hey, I suppose the $150 I "lost" today is more important than the total $600+ I gained, right? I must be "bleeding money" because a few subscriptions lapsed today after all...

Once again, this month is the most successful I've ever had. This update is the one garnering the most positive feedback. If you were able to open your eyes and see outside of your little cone of anger, you might realize not everyone agrees with you. But you don't actually care about numbers. Your feelings is what counts, nothing else, so you're angry, and think everyone else must be.

PS: if Subscribers had issues with the new Oliver, they wouldn't have waited a week to unsubscribe. They'd have done that a week ago.



So, yeah, you're an absolute idiot, spewing lies, not understanding a thing, and being unable to conceive that acting like that won't make me listen to your feedback, even if it was constructive (and it is definitely not).

Please do yourself (and me) a favour, and go play something else.


And next time people say I can't take criticism, I'll show them these last two pages.

 

[La Dani]

Sorry to say because I undestand the effort of the dev, but for my tastes now is a boring game .
I like ntr games, but now is a loop.
Personal opinion, naturally.

 

[HoM11]

SS from yesterday, I'm mad at me for not making a SS from your release day since it was higher.

SS from now:

Btw, Patreon doesn't show accurate numbers. EDIT: at least not always.
This is what I see right now and I really doubt that LeStag gained 1.2k dollars of income in 27 minutes, while maintaining the same number of subs.



Also, for this guy right here it showed 90k. So yeah, that data is crap.

 

[Le Stag]

Sorry to say because I undestand the effort of the dev, but for my tastes now is a boring game .
I like ntr games, but now is a loop.
Personal opinion, naturally.

No problem. My goal has always been to make a slow game. I wanted to make a game that represented a (relatively) realistic progression, time-wise, of such a relationship. That would show the slow progress of feelings toward the kink, of opening up, and discovering new things, instead of being hammered with it like so many other games do.

And I always knew I'd lose people with such a direction, especially as the game would get longer. But I felt it was a worthy risk, to make the game I wanted.

Maybe you'll rediscover it later, when it's "full" (which might make it less boring without the wait between updates).

 

[Joratox]

Your feelings is what counts, nothing else, so you're angry, and think everyone else must be.



So, yeah, you're an absolute idiot, spewing lies, not understanding a thing, and being unable to conceive that acting like that won't make me listen to your feedback, even if it was constructive (and it is definitely not).

The classic turn to slurs when you're backed into a corner...and I'm the angry one!
Regarding the patreon numbers, I've said my piece, you've said yours. People will eventually realize that you're stringing them along with your imaginary routes and fake choices and will decide for themselves.
It's funny how you didn't engage in a debate when I was being apologetic, polite and took time to give you honest, albeit pretty critical feedback, but you've blown a gasket when I said some hard truths.

So fine, I'll give you the stage and retire from this, people that start throwing slurs when they can't debate bore me. GL with your game!