Netori vs Netorare & Netorase

[NdinguSuya]

netori is when the mc is doing the cucking, which is boring as hell and way too similar to vanilla and harem stuff (which is also boring as hell). that's why ntr/netorare is superior than those pathetic sub genres

that’s exactly why it’s boring as hell. it’s not you doing the cucking, it’s the mc/protagonist, and whether it hits or not depends on if you even wanna project/self insert onto him (which i and many usually don't, except in some cases)

But brother it's the same thing tho.....and netori can focus on one person stop acting like it's always harem. And like I said before, the sadism and corruption can still be added to the story so I don't see much difference. Do you simply like the feeling of being cucked.??

 

[NdinguSuya]

netori is when the mc is doing the cucking, which is boring as hell and way too similar to vanilla and harem stuff (which is also boring as hell). that's why ntr/netorare is superior than those pathetic sub genres

that’s exactly why it’s boring as hell. it’s not you doing the cucking, it’s the mc/protagonist, and whether it hits or not depends on if you even wanna project/self insert onto him (which i and many usually don't, except in some cases)

But brother it's the same thing tho.....and netori can focus on one person stop acting like it's always harem. And like I said before, the sadism and corruption can still be added to the story so I don't see much difference. Do you simply like the feeling of being cucked.

afaik, real ntr/netorare fans (such as myself) don’t really self insert/project at all, unless it’s a rare case. like if the fmc is a waifu tier character, or the mc is genuinely relatable or well written (which is like 1 in 100 games). i’d say 95–98% of ntr players aren’t projecting onto the mc. it’s more about watching the corruption unfold, not feeling it as the mc. if anything, the rare self insert is into the bull, not the one getting cucked (that's what netorase/ntrs/nts fans does xD). plus, ntr usually has better animation/art compared to most genres, so it just hits harder visually

Bro that's netori tho.....you self insert as the bull which is the whole premise of netori

 

[tanstaafl]

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[desmosome]

Take any netorare game you love, flip the perspective MC and you have netori

The actual reason is that this premise just isn't true in practice. You almost never get the same vibe precisely because the netori is framed as a power fantasy 99% of the time and glosses over the actual destruction of the bond thing.

That said, if at least the Mc is evil protag that has the same qualities as ntr villain, then it could have appeal to ntr fans as well, but we know that's also not the case. Mc is portrayed sympathetically and written to be relatable in most netori.

You can't be a fan of a theoretical genre that doesn't really exist. Netori that just puts the Mc as the ntr villain doesn't exist because there are different narrative focus and intent.

You can have the netori power fantasy and still have detailed corruption of female (see black lilith), which is enough for most netorare fans, but even this is extremely rare.

 

[desmosome]

But brother it's the same thing tho.....and netori can focus on one person stop acting like it's always harem. And like I said before, the sadism and corruption can still be added to the story so I don't see much difference. Do you simply like the feeling of being cucked.??

Find me 5 games like this. Netori with a horrible evil Mc that corrupts a woman (who is in a very happy and loving relationship) and turns her into a cumslut.

Don't bring some harem Mc framed in a positive light, or women that didn't give two shits about their relationship in the first place, or games that don't explore the corruption progression in any meaningful way.

 

[tanstaafl]

The actual reason is that this premise just isn't true in practice. You almost never get the same vibe precisely because the netori is framed as a power fantasy 99% of the time and glosses over the actual destruction of the bond thing.

That said, if at least the Mc is evil protag that has the same qualities as ntr villain, then it could have appeal to ntr fans as well, but we know that's also not the case. Mc is portrayed sympathetically and written to be relatable in most netori.

You can't be a fan of a theoretical genre that doesn't really exist. Netori that just puts the Mc as the ntr villain doesn't exist because there are different narrative focus and intent.

You can have the netori power fantasy and still have detailed corruption of female (see black lilith), which is enough for most netorare fans, but even this is extremely rare.

I'm not getting in to the entire netori thread again, lol, we know how each other feels there. My posts were nearly completely about drag0nf6y self inserting.

 

[desmosome]

I'm not getting in to the entire netori thread again, lol, we know how each other feels there. My posts were nearly completely about drag0nf6y self inserting.

I get you, but it's an interesting topic.

In the practical sense, there just isn't enough netori games that are just netorare stories with flipped perspective.

There are plenty of FMC corruption/netorare games that's basically the same thing as male protagonist netorare games just with the FMC as the POV character. And you will find that the fanbase of those FMC corruption/netorare games and netorare fans (at least those who claim to be in it for the corruption and are not self-inserting) are basically overlapping.

 

[Geigi]

There aren't many FMC reverse NTR game where male character is stolen, what?

 

[tanstaafl]

In the practical sense, there just isn't enough netori games that are just netorare stories with flipped perspective.

True, and I myself have posted saying that the writing itself for netori and netorare have completely different slants, one is to build up and the other is to tear down. So yeah, flipping the script is only technically making one into the other, if all other things are disregarded.

 

[Geigi]

True, and I myself have posted saying that the writing itself for netori and netorare have completely different slants, one is to build up and the other is to tear down. So yeah, flipping the script is only technically making one into the other, if all other things are disregarded.

Speaking of flipped script, there's this game https://f95zone.to/threads/mommys-boy-v0-2-onyxdime-and-dreambiggames.247782/ in which you play as a mom trying to seduce your son or other women will steal him. This is the first game where I saw a reverse NTR and people are liking the game.

 

[tanstaafl]

Speaking of flipped script, there's this game Mommy's boy where you play as a mom trying to seduce your son or other women will steal him. This is the first game where I saw a reverse NTR.

Yeah, games are still tame as hell. Even videos (animated, rule34, etc.) are pretty damn tame, despite what some people might think. Get into the Doujin scene if you want to bring the pain with some really fringe stuff. Reverse ntr, reverse gang bang, 600 page goliaths that have every neto flavor and then a few they created just for giggles, etc.

 

[HardlySoft]

I don't really think Netorare and Netori should be put together just because they both involve cheating, tbh.

NTR is usually more about emotional intensity than anything else. I've seen a lot of takes online, and what keeps coming up is that people who seek out NTR often approach it from an emotional masochism point of view.

We have a lot of people who are dealing with stuff like depression, loneliness, emotional numbness, or even just a general lack of empathy. So NTR with all its betrayal, jealousy, shame, etc, delivers the emotional hit. Negative emotions are stronger. And for some, it's a way of "feeling something".

It also seems to resonate with people who have control issues or abandonment trauma. It's like watching your worst fear in front of you, which gives this weird sense of catharsis. Like, "How would I feel if my partner was taken from me?". Kinda fucked up, but it scratches a psychological itch.

There's even the idea of role reversal, where people who see themselves as the loser who never gets the girl start fetishizing being rejected. So it becomes the fantasy. Which in a weird way, gives it power.

And then you've got porn conditioning and desensitization, maybe even voyeurism. (And this is just me thinking out loud now) I haven't found much research connecting NTR and porn addiction, but there is research saying that heavy porn use leads to needing more extreme or novel content. So maybe watching strangers have sex over and over could eventually morph into wanting to see your partner with someone else, which might be where Netorase starts to come in.

But Netori is whole different thing, it's more of a power trip. Same as it goes with Harem in a way. It's about domination, conquest, taking what belongs to someone else. Way more ego-driven than NTR, which comes from vulnerability.

 

[Geigi]

Yeah, games are still tame as hell. Even videos (animated, rule34, etc.) are pretty damn tame, despite what some people might think. Get into the Doujin scene if you want to bring the pain with some really fringe stuff. Reverse ntr, reverse gang bang, 600 page goliaths that have every neto flavor and then a few they created just for giggles, etc.

I read in one of the threads that NTR is a woman's thing and I was like what...then I realised, it does. There are so many stories about love triangle for women that are popular, so that thought was very insightful.

 

[tanstaafl]

I read in one of the threads that NTR is a woman's thing and I was like what...then I realised, it does. There are so many stories about love triangle for women that are popular, so that thought was very insightful.

Limited view. NTR, all flavors, are are an incredibly broad spectrum. Yeah, a lot of it fits with the thought that it's a woman's thing for the types of NTR where the women has a choice...then there is the rest of it, and yeah, no, not a woman's thing.

 

[tanstaafl]

I read in one of the threads that NTR is a woman's thing and I was like what...then I realised, it does. There are so many stories about love triangle for women that are popular, so that thought was very insightful.

Limited view. NTR, all flavors, are are an incredibly broad spectrum. Yeah, a lot of it fits with the thought that it's a woman's thing for the types of NTR where the women has a choice...then there is the rest of it, and yeah, no, not a woman's thing.

Example. Mind break is not something you see a lot of in games, but in doujin netorare it is incredibly common. The woman has no choice, she's just broken, her ability to chose taken, and turns into the equivalent of the antagonists dog.
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[Geigi]

Example. Mind break is not something you see a lot of in games, but in doujin netorare it is incredibly common. The woman has no choice, she's just broken, her ability to chose taken, and turns into the equivalent of the antagonists dog.
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Mind break is not something I'm into and it can be a bad ending in otome games when a male character torture and rape a FMC out of obsession(yandere) hence her falling into depression, become a mindless doll, kills herself or she's killed.

 

[MissCougar]

I like it for the corruption aspect, though most of these tend to be from the male perspective for games. There's manga and stories for women where the woman is the central character. Some are good.

The corruption must be more than "because he has a bigger dick" though and I hope that trope goes somewhere to die someday.

 

[Geigi]

I like it for the corruption aspect, though most of these tend to be from the male perspective for games. There's manga and stories for women where the woman is the central character. Some are good.

The corruption must be more than "because he has a bigger dick" though and I hope that trope goes somewhere to die someday.

It won't stop because it's a male fantasy to see a woman leave a guy because of a bigger dick. The majority of women are actually in for a richer guy than a bigger dick.

 

[MissCougar]

It won't stop because it's a male fantasy to see a woman leave a guy because of a bigger dick. The majority of women are actually in for a richer guy than a bigger dick.

Agreed. Not just because of money, but because it also means self determination and capability. Capable men are sexy and attractive. Pity sex is not really a thing (though I have admittedly done it before so ymmv).

However in a lot of cases though I'm not even sure many of these may even qualify as NTR. I say that because it feels like in 90% of the games I've seen, the women are corrupting themselves.

I think this happens because when it comes down to it, the person (usually a guy) writing the story or the game don't actually know what women like much less how to corrupt a woman. So the woman reallllly has to dive head first into it and they do the job of the guy for the guy, making it look like the guy is some sort of mastermind.

Stories have this problem a lot too, not just games. Also Japanese manga/hentai/etc.

People want to speed run the corruption part and get to the kinky sex, but I like the corruption part and less so the sex part.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

I come in peace y'all and I don't wanna start any arguments but I just want to know why NTR lovers love it so much.

In a world where people dont just get off looking at feet but have a left or right foot bias, the answer is 'cos it makes them tingly'. Dont look for logic haha