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This guy really only changes like 3 things per update and takes ages- this version isnt much different from like 8 versions ago
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Some cool guy wrote in comment section to some uncool furry game that furries are the most common target for cash-grabs. Some guy creates a game prototype, gets monetary support and later either ditches the project or puts minimal efforts into updating, or promises too much, hires a team and stretches the updates to get more cash. Happy hearts Panic, Oh So Hero, this lovely flash crap, the list can go on and on and on.
Except this game is being updated still, and alongside it the creator does regular art as well, and has a job. Also, they have been looking into a way to port the game to Unity since Flash is no longer supported and is starting to cause issues for the longevity of the game, as well as Flash being difficult to work with at times from either getting corrupted or the files just not opening any more.
Next time, look into the creator a little more and what they have going on besides working on the games they make. Yes there are cash grabs that will show up, but just because a game takes longer between updates or doesn't have as much content in an update doesn't mean it's a cash grab. Also, at least for the games you listed, they all have animations in them, meaning many times the artists for those games has to draw the frames for all instances of animations appearing per character and combination of characters, on top of drawing the assets such as rooms and locations, and when it's one person working on that it will take time. Games that ARE cash grabs are the ones that fall into whatever category you would put something like those puzzle games that keep popping up on Steam that use art from various artists without permission to get money, or the games like Furry Strip Poker. Or if you want another cash grab game that is quite notorious for being one, look at High Tail Hall.
sounds like someone wrote an essay of copium my dude
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Yeah, you are kind of right as well. But looking at the money those people make, they could have done updates more regularly or put more effort into them, I doubt flash is so difficult to operate that un update takes from four months to half a year.
I'm actually happy with how the game is coming along. Also if you want an essay of copium, probably better to go look somewhere else instead of a long response to two comments trying to shit on a game being made by a single person because it "doesn't have enough content".
You can't compare different creators like that, since money is only what lets the people continue working on what they are. It's all still limited by the amount of time the creators have each day after anything else they have to do, and the speed at which they are able to work on those things. If you want more effort put into updates, then you're not going to get updates regularly. Also, the amount of money any of these people make has to be split up to pay however many others are working on the teams, meaning sometimes what seems like a lot of money with one project might not be as much in the end after paying everyone involved. And in the case of No Vacancy, since the characters are essentially YCH slots, if nobody asks for their character to be included for a couple months then there can't really be any updates unless Palmarian decides to do stuff with their own characters.
And since flash doesn't have official support any more, it means that if there's a problem that happens while you're working in it, you're screwed. But that's not what makes updates take so long, it's again how much other stuff the creator has on their plate.
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Then what about human dignity? Why not halt the 1$ patreon support since you are not updating the game? Why not redraw comissioners from the first NoVac to show that you actually work on the project? You sound like the kind of guy to get scammed and then defend the scammers. And since flash is dead, there's always ruffle. Or maybe even remake the game on unity, like DasArts did (who's also questionable in terms of updates, but at least he does them more regularly then once in half a year).
First, I'm not a guy, and I know a scam when I see one. Second, I wouldn't defend a scammer. Don't make some judgement about me because I'm telling people why they shouldn't go screaming about something being a scam; at least give more solid reasons for it being a scam than just it updating slow or not having enough new stuff for you.
Flash support is dead, and flash isn't used in web browsers any more, and ruffle is still being worked on and still doesn't support actionscript 3 flash games last I checked. Palmarian has talked about remaking the game in Unity, even made a post about it sharing the lobby made in Unity with 3D assets.
As far as comparing with DasArts, he's also a single person working on his game, while also having a full-time job, while also releasing the updates for free instead of locking them behind paywalls like Palmarian is. Das also does 3D animations on the side, which he again releases publicly. He also has a different workflow that likely allows him to work faster.
Now, as for the "human dignity" part, Palmarian is making just enough money from their job and the two patreons, one for the game and another for art, to afford living expenses in their country (which is I think Argentina?). Suddenly stopping that source of income could result in no more NoVac in place of more work to afford living. I do agree that commissioners from the first two versions should get scenes in the new version, they paid to be there and should still get to be there. If anything, I would chalk the slow pace of updates up to a slow workflow, and maybe issues with prioritizing the game's updates, and the issues of now having to move the game to Unity while still working on it in Flash for the time being so that there is something being put out.
Palmarian Fire lives on Canary Islands, so technically in Spain.
But it does not matter as the cost of living match local median job income pretty everywhere in the world.
There is no good replacement for Flash for 2D animations. Either lightweight, i.e. RenPy, without enough functionality. Or massive Unity, too overkill for the purpose and too hard to tackle for single hobby artist. If Palmarian goes Unity, he is gonna end up like Crowchild with HTH.
No Vacancy being in development for eternity and glacial progress, it obviously just a hobby project worked on at weekend evenings. Being that he don't need Patreon income to support that. He could do it just for an enjoyment and fame. It's just a furry community way of life, everyone having Patreon on everything.
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Didn't know about the living situation. On the cost of living, that works for the median job income, which is based off normal jobs like working in an office or at a restaurant, but if the only income is from Patreon then it might not be at that same median.
As for Flash, yeah, I agree there isn't a good replacement yet that can do the same thing, at least not without going through other workarounds, like in RenPy it might mean having to add a button to progress the scene, but without any sort of transitions except a sudden cut or fade in and out. Switching to Unity doesn't mean anything bad, just that it will take time, and since the recent updates have been in Flash still then Palmarian doesn't seem to plan on moving to Unity too soon.
And yes it's slow progress, likely just a hobby project, but the income from Patreon is what lets the project continue, it lets people who maybe just want the game support just that. It is pretty common to see almost every furry have a Patreon for something, but that's how artists are managing to make a living doing what they love, game devs can make their games, and whatever else, and without all of that the community would be set back several years in terms of the creatives in the community living off creating what they want to. Palmarian is no exception to that, and if the enjoyment and fame were the goal, that goal was reached apparently with how many people know about the game or even just Palmarian's art. And while it would work still if No Vacancy was just part of the normal Patreon, it would mean any update posts for it would get hidden away in all the other posts, which I think was a reason why the game's own Patreon was made, as well as for advertising reasons.
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