RPGM Noblesse Oblige [v0.17.1.0] [Lord Forte Games]

[Hersom9912]

it mainly happens before main story which is mainly there for character development. It frankly dose not play any real part in main story as it gose on IF i remeber corectly adriane even ask him to stop these arangment(techichly it gives alexandre justifiaction to have hes own small harem). Reading above post you would think it comes a lot in game but no it dose not. Why they are having these arangement is explored more in further chapters.

Mind giving a spoiler?
I'm just trying to understand why would a future king agree to being cucked. (I do consider it cucking due to them being engaged). Like i stated above if he were to be married into her family or she would be higher ranked or even if her kingdom would be far more powerfull i would understand setting those standards.

Instead future king of a more powerfull kingdom is agreeing to something that casts shadow on his reputation. This is especially relevant due society still being patriarchal and in patriarchal societies this is highly frowned upon. So either author decided to add unnecessary spice without thinking through how it impacts logic or author decided brute force his fetish. (My current conclusions)

So uhh does this whole open relationship add anything to the game's narrative, besides MC being cool with his girl being a ho?

It does and it doesn't. Just adds "modern" spice. For me it felt illogical and distasteful.
If you aren't so much in role-playing and immersion play it doesn't affect you much at all.

 

[WolfRoffer]

One last thing : Alexander is not meant to be a blank slate you can use as a self-insert. He has made choices in the past, and while you make choices for him during the game, these are limited by what he could possibly chose considering his personality and history, not yours. If you can't fathom this type of main character, perhaps the game is not meant for you - but you're missing a masterpiece.

The thing is... I don't think the "arrangement" he has is necessarily in character for either Alexander or Ariadne. Ariadne was not some random girl he was made to marry, he chose her as his fiancee and she suspected as such. He had to have some sort of feelings for her even if it wasn't quite being in love yet, and she must have known that. He even remarks how he couldn't wait to sleep with her again now that they weren't a couple of fumbling children. It doesn't make sense how they're ok with the other sleeping around even though they're very close and going to get married, but once they actually do find out they love each other, now they're very uncomfortable with the idea. I also find the reasons for the arrangement as whole to be very... weak. I get Ariadne has had a rough life and a lack of freedom, but there are plenty of better ways to make her feel both happier and more free without agreeing that the two should sleep around. He's basically letting the girl he likes and is engaged to sleep around because he thinks it will give her more freedom... which is stupid. Alexander has been know to be selfish wanting both Ariadne and Ligaea and I just don't see him being willing to share (other than with each other) no matter how much he cares about them. Alexander even remarks at one point that even though everyone was watching Ariadne he gets to have her all to himself. Not to mention the potential political fallout if people found out they were sleeping around even though they were engaged, which Alexander and Ariadne are smart enough to know could happen. All in all it has no bearing to the story, doesn't make sense for the characters to do, clearly is uncomfortable for many players and I'm convinced only exists because the dev was less experienced at writing at the start of the game and didn't consider how some players might feel about it and where the direction of the characters was going just yet. It really would just improve the game if the dev either removed it or gave the option to choose whether Alexander made the offer of the arrangement or not. In my opinion, it practically ruins what is otherwise a really good game.
Sorry for the wall of text.

 

[maroder]

Mind giving a spoiler?
I'm just trying to understand why would a future king agree to being cucked. (I do consider it cucking due to them being engaged). Like i stated above if he were to be married into her family or she would be higher ranked or even if her kingdom would be far more powerfull i would understand setting those standards.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

also versalia is not patriarchical. Woman do play major role in its politics and everyday life. Mainly becouse they follow difrent goddes. Avalonia and east of continet is more traditioanly european setting, west of continet where most of game takes palce is decently difrent.

 

[Znorkh]

Well, it seems clearer and clearer to me that our views are irreconcilable, I will just take the time to respond this one thing since I think it sums up the core of it and then go my merry way:

At minimum authors choice of words and/or her background and story creation is something that would make many male players lose disposition towards her. What makes it worse you are sort of bound to her and cannot reject her.

Ariadne is a fan favorite amongst current players. My conviction is that male players who would "lose disposition towards her" for something like that are sad little boys who are afraid to consider a woman as their equal.

Have a good life!

 

[Hersom9912]

Well, it seems clearer and clearer to me that our views are irreconcilable, I will just take the time to respond this one thing since I think it sums up the core of it and then go my merry way:



Ariadne is a fan favorite amongst current players. My conviction is that male players who would "lose disposition towards her" for something like that are sad little boys who are afraid to consider a woman as their equal.

Have a good life!

Funny how usually cuck fetishsm lovers like to use your last sentences. IF you think sharing your partner (open relationship) is considered happy men move.....I'm sad for you. Though i guess cucking haters also like to spew insults though in a more death related insults as i saw.
Sadness doesn't come from her having a hoe phase, sadness comes from accepting this arrangment where it lacks logic and sadness comes from being force fed this arrangment.

Not every person in their life is sexually damaged. Some of us have a rather clean or so called "vanilla" sex/relationship life and
they are content with that.
I don't sleep around or have night stands or have a "messy" sexual past nor i want my partner to have one. <- I think it's a perfectly normal requirement.
If i had a messy sexual past it would by hypocritical of me to ask.

I really don't understand your reasoning for trying to shame normal people, it is a very sad thing. I'm completely neutral towards your preferences but your last staments shown far more than i wanted to see. In what freaking world do we live when sexual deviants dare to insult non deviants? Mind you, i do not consider myself non deviant.

Either way thank you for the dialogue. Last sentece is un-called for and sadly paints not the best picture and ruins power of your statements.

P.S. Since when does equality mean sleeping around (man or female)?

 

[Hersom9912]

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

also versalia is not patriarchical. Woman do play major role in its politics and everyday life. Mainly becouse they follow difrent goddes. Avalonia and east of continet is more traditioanly european setting, west of continet where most of game takes palce is decently difrent.

Thank you. It gives more legitimacy towards their illogical move to open up their relationship though WolfRoffer gives a big and a good argument which has assumptions but if assumptions are right brings the logic back to 0.

The thing is... I don't think the "arrangement" he has is necessarily in character for either Alexander or Ariadne.

Thank you for more clarification, now it puzzles me even more. So likely your theory is correct, it was done when developer was just starting out. Either inexperience coupled with trying to implement his favorite "spice" or just plain inexperience. There were and are much better ways to implement this. I simply didn't see the logic of doing so other than for kinks and giggles.

 

[Bob Jared]

Alexander and Ariadne decided together that arranged marriages aren't fair to the children as individuals and so agreed to live their own love lives for as long as they can. This is based on their characterization and clearly not fetish motivated. (no matter how much projection is thrown at it)

Furthermore, all these assumptions about Ariadne's sex life are based around the idea that she would either continue past a first date with someone she found to be an asshole or have sex at the end of a first date with someone she found to be an asshole. Both options would be extremely out of character.

Also, the reason Alexander never took advantage of the arrangement is because no one caught his eye until Ligaea (not some twisted form of loyalty) He simply had other priorities instead of putting effort into actually searching for potential partners.

 

[weatherfree21]

Bob Jared is right. The arrangement was well in character for two people who were friends but not in love and didn't want to let an arranged marriage make their friend unhappy.

Regardless though, their arrangement does not ever get enacted by Ariadne at any point during the game itself, so there is no NTR/Cuckoldry going on. If you've played a single game where a love interest has had a past relationship, that's what this amounts to. She dated in the past. She isn't sleeping around. There's no open relationship. Alexander is actually quite possessive and Ariadne has proven very happy with that, once they actually decided to commit to each other, which happens fairly early on.

 

[Hersom9912]

Alexander and Ariadne decided together that arranged marriages aren't fair to the children as individuals and so agreed to live their own love lives for as long as they can.

Thank you. I never projected that it is NTR/Cuck thing just that open relationship are in the same category of a fetish group though to lesser destructive effect. I know that this arrangment doesn't affect or is used during gameplay, it just soured plot for me.
After reading spoiler comments i was buffled by their decision.
Input i've gotten: She stated that she benefitted by this arrangment and someone stated that there was a dialogue point with Ligaea where she was afraid that Alexander would be afraid or dissapointed (don't remember which one was written in the comments) that she is too experienced prior to them having relationship again.
Input for Alexander: That he is possesive, quite interested in his image as a noble and royalty and to a degree narcissistic.

Bob Jared is right. The arrangement was well in character for two people who were friends but not in love and didn't want to let an arranged marriage make their friend unhappy.

I will try it again (too many people answered and now i feel obligated at least try to survive until chapter 6-7).
As i've stated this plot point wasn't the main reason i decided to put it on hold it was a kicker that tilted me at that time.
I've felt that despite all the description game was restrictive and lineal with some branching. RPG element was lighter than in standard RPG games. That some quest/story elements didn't give you agency to decide (that Alexander spares a bandit who is a knight wanna be). Or that when you finally assume the throne you will not be able via kingdom managment or decisions exact revenge to the Magister so you are forced to either sign a deal with incub or let the magister fester more.

 

[Sk8race1]

hey, story wise is it better to banish lorena or have both orders till this point of the game?

 

[Malagga]

Well, depends on what your preferences are.

Lorena can become a supporting character and party member, with all that entails. She leads the reformist movement of her order, there are new quest and skills that come with her.

If you banish her and her order, then you gain more influence over the moon worshippers and their order. The silver envoy may romance you, you do not need to care for the feelings of the sun worshippers and so on.

Personally I always go for a larger supporting cast in games like this.

 

[Kang Kuli]

So the conclusion of this long debate can be said.

in the end, the future queen of versalia isn't the queen who slept Around with all the guys in the academy, right? The statement about her sleeping with a lot of men and Alexander being okay with it is just a mistake in processing the dialogue in the game, right?She was just on a date and they were just eating pie and ended their date by saying goodbye to each other, Right? it didn't come down to her receiving a creampie, right?

 

[Hersom9912]

So the conclusion of this long debate can be said.

in the end, the future queen of versalia isn't the queen who slept Around with all the guys in the academy, right? The statement about her sleeping with a lot of men and Alexander being okay with it is just a mistake in processing the dialogue in the game, right?She was just on a date and they were just eating pie and ended their date by saying goodbye to each other, Right? it didn't come down to her receiving a creampie, right?

Not really. Conclusion is that there isn't any clear info.
By snippets of the dialogue we can draw information from is that: She used open relationship status unlike Alexander or at least not as much as him. I'm fairly sure she stated she used it, he didn't.

Next point is from hearsay(reading spoilers from comment section here):
1) They decided on open relationship thing before starting academy.
2) At one point she was afraid that Alexander would find her unattractive due to her being "too experienced" now.
3) It seems she swings both ways (with both girls and boys)
4) Highly speculated but i do trust it to be more correct: She was burned by some men during their open relationship status who used her as conquest object or simply desired her body.
Speculation is that some speculate that her slight masandry comes from her experience as a highly educated royal and simply being observant.
Whilst I and others speculate that she had hands on experience with men just using her as an object of conquest and desire. (Due to seeing it 1st hand how seemingly smart girls were used by some guys and getting mad at them after that, happens too often).
5) Amount of her partners is unknown or at least hearsay information didn't say much.

With all that you can summarize and make your own conclusions, which i made.

As for our forum debate/information exchange: Conclusion was, that author made this plot point early on when author/developer was starting out i.e. inexperience in plot creation.
Author tried to place his kink or put some spice but handled it badly. And now won't correct it because core fans don't care about this (+ not such a big problem IF you don't play mainly for the immersive rpg experience where narrative and plot matters). It was or still is one-man project so the person is both the author and developer.

 

[52000758]

When will it be playable on Android?

 

[Sk8race1]

Well, depends on what your preferences are.

Lorena can become a supporting character and party member, with all that entails. She leads the reformist movement of her order, there are new quest and skills that come with her.

If you banish her and her order, then you gain more influence over the moon worshippers and their order. The silver envoy may romance you, you do not need to care for the feelings of the sun worshippers and so on.

Personally I always go for a larger supporting cast in games like this.

thx for the reply

 

[New Kid]

hey, story wise is it better to banish lorena or have both orders till this point of the game?

Lorena is very strong, she can tank pretty well with her ice rampart, has decent cc with the chill/frozen stats she inflicts, can heal/revive in a pinch and isn't bad with her offensive magic. I personally find her overall stronger than Ariadne with the current build they have (even with the upgraded midnight robe), ever since she joined she never left the party, just like Calisya.

Having both orders around will create some tension with the Moon order, and Calisya won't learn some busted skills she would otherwise to compensate the lack of Lorena in your roster, however having the Sun order around will probably smooth things with Avalonia in the future since the Sacred Emperor will have a harder time to start a crusade against you, weakening Antipater's claim and power base.

 

[Bob Jared]

Lorena is very strong, she can tank pretty well with her ice rampart, has decent cc with the chill/frozen stats she inflicts, can heal/revive in a pinch and isn't bad with her offensive magic. I personally find her overall stronger than Ariadne with the current build they have (even with the upgraded midnight robe), ever since she joined she never left the party, just like Calisya.

Having both orders around will create some tension with the Moon order, and Calisya won't learn some busted skills she would otherwise to compensate the lack of Lorena in your roster, however having the Sun order around will probably smooth things with Avalonia in the future since the Sacred Emperor will have a harder time to start a crusade against you, weakening Antipater's claim and power base.

Lorena felt like the weakest party member when I tried using her even after the Ariadne synergy unlock. I hope the wiki eventually has guides on how to use everyone effectively. Currently I feel like I'm not utilizing anyone to their full potential. (also, still waiting on a anti-magic tank because all 3 tanks seem focused against physical)

 

[New Kid]

Lorena felt like the weakest party member when I tried using her even after the Ariadne synergy unlock. I hope the wiki eventually has guides on how to use everyone effectively. Currently I feel like I'm not utilizing anyone to their full potential. (also, still waiting on a anti-magic tank because all 3 tanks seem focused against physical)

Hmmm, I use a magical build for her, but the ice rampart is so busted that she can tank even without dedicated armor, and can keep refreshing the shield with the ice barrier and healing for a lot of health with Alcina's mercy as it has double healing when used on herself. Also don't forget to activate radiance on her so she can aggro the attacks freeing Alexander to support and attack more often, and that she can insta-freeze a priority target for several turns for a pittance of mp. I think Lorena can become an anti-magic tank with her custom robe, it gives 90% reduction to magic attacks IIRC, we will see when the moon tailor finishes it if the robe will work as intended.

 

[weatherfree21]

I think Lorena can become an anti-magic tank with her custom robe, it gives 90% reduction to magic attacks IIRC, we will see when the moon tailor finishes it if the robe will work as intended.

The custom armor doesn't reduce magical damage by 90%, it reduces magical damage to 90%. So it shaves off 10% of all magical damage, which is great, but not quite 90% damage reduction.

 

[New Kid]

The custom armor doesn't reduce magical damage by 90%, it reduces magical damage to 90%. So it shaves off 10% of all magical damage, which is great, but not quite 90% damage reduction.

Ah I see, I read it wrong then. I thought it was odd to reduce that much damage, kinda imagined it was something else intead hahaha. Still, 10% reduction is not bad combined with the high MDef the robe provides and scales with level, guess it's closest we can get to a magic tank so far.