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[honestentity]

as for NTRs, I think the only thing that truly would contribute without taking out the concept of og game is just to add some choice dialogues addressing it, but without adding actual features.
For example, when the landlord fucks the girl's throat while talking to MC, among the offended choices there could be "god I wish", or something.
Another thing could be, as long as you can tell her "alright I'm up to it", to just add additional lines in diary and some scenes addressing the fact mc is into it. Nothing too much of a deal

That's sort of exactly my thought process. I don't think anyone should be annoyed about having more options at all. it just an optional choice that branches the dialogue very slightly. Aren't options good? Am I losing my mind? Or am I missing something like netorare shouldn't co-exist with netorase? Like if there's some reason it shouldn't then I'm super unaware.

 

[randomname2243]

Some of the fmc dialogue in the end mentions loving the MC but loving sex with the landlord which can either be rejected or accepted as with the other full corruption ending. I honestly don't quite understand why the game must end so abruptly soon so we could have an extended end game as a type of scene viewer with some flavored dialogue to support the players choice of ending , and as a way to continue re watching some of the random encounters outside of the diary entries.


If there was some type of counter to keep track of the fmc exposer to the player for an earlier confrontation it could all be converted to nts scenarios.

Say you play through without window peeping for a zero count and full trust, or you window peep on a cracked window and are shocked enough to go to her apartment to confront her. We could either freak out for an early game over, accept her being free to sleep with others for nts, or ask her to stop which I suppose she could lie about for continued ntr progress.

I don't understand the problem. It is mechanical as in coding or in storytelling problem to introduce Netorase?

Perhaps after getting introduced to the sleasy/lewd landlord, either Protagonist or his girlfriend (or friend) is smart enough to notice his lewd(dirty) eye and tries to take advantage of that. By going closer to the landlord and maybe being a sugar daddy or just reducing the rent just for survival until things get better.
I have forgotten how it isn't your girlfriend and it just a friend right?
Well, the simplest option (in my opinion) is a bit to subvert expectations by having either Protagonist or his friend actually be smart and notice the detail I said above.
I would even go ahead and make that as a random variable when starting a new game to spice things up, like the girl is smart or MC is and you have to convince the other party somehow. Or neither is smart and either no Netorase or you have to find a way to gather evidence so the bricks(the 2 protagonists) can see the situation.
Personally,I really loved the random element of Blade runner 1997 game, where every play through is different. Of course,you can have a special mode where the player can alter the variable at the start of the game if they want to see everything.
I get ideas if I get fired up but it is your game. Personally,I am tired of the usual NTR or Netorase. It should be according to the context of the story(not for trope sake)
As said above, seducing the landlord at the start is just for business (or survival of bills in this case) and as the game goes, either MC or the girl gets interested in this trio relationship and tries to convince the other to do it or both like it at the same time and proceed to do it more.
Or seeing a dirty magazine of Netorase hentai or just romantic novel where a couple shares their relationship with others and someone gets an idea.

I hope you got the concept, it is just a suggestion. You do what you want, i will be watching, hopefully Latest updates will show your game.

 

[Lewdkerwin]

Holy fuck. This comment was huge so I'm addressing it separately and in parts.
That first image bug was probably a one off error and I've never seen that.
Secondly, I think you're absolutely right about that being inappropriate attire and I will change it LMFAO about the liposuction bit
That bj scene is a pain in my butt! The landlord's dick is so massive that I will have to shrink it for that animation lmfao.

Unfortunately I can confirm to have seen this in the wall bug 3 times starting from fresh games. We'll see if it's still there in 1.06 but if you didn't know it was there for a bug fix I'll just sorta expect it. Honestly it was neat to be that up close to it compared to viewing from the window

 

[honestentity]

I think your post made me realise one of the reasons why it might show up there. That's the world origin (0,0) coordinate. Somehow a glitch is making them end up at that spot despite there being no animation marker there. I will look into this to see if I can fix it.

 

[Lewdkerwin]

I have forgotten how it isn't your girlfriend and it just a friend right?

It depends on if you take steps for the love route , paying rent on time often enough has you and the fmc confess and decide to date, but depending on when in the story this happens it may make less sense

Well, the simplest option (in my opinion) is a bit to subvert expectations by having either Protagonist or his friend actually be smart and notice the detail I said above.
I would even go ahead and make that as a random variable when starting a new game to spice things up, like the girl is smart or MC is and you have to convince the other party somehow. Or neither is smart and either no Netorase or you have to find a way to gather evidence so the bricks(the 2 protagonists) can see the situation.

Trope or no I am often amused by the sheer oblivious mc . The guy will literally have line of sight on his girls hair during the face fuck scene and be like " are you drunk why are you wobbling like that" as if we as the player are not impacted by his lack of eyesight and awareness

As far as the random variable I would support an optional toggle for that as it can break the intended routes on someone's first time playing and cause a less than enjoyable experience if someone was unaware of it. But for replay or comedy sure. Sounds like a fallout series wild wasteland perk. Something like wacky ntr logic

 

[Gronkwayl]

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the average ntr game is ntr and ntrs is minority, there's no use to bitch about it, you guys still win anyway

I wish winning would actually mean something more than just having a bigger total works count, which just leads to ignoring the contents of said works and their quality.
Also it's kinda funny that you have separate works for different kind of NT(s), which i personally feel should be the more common approach. Just do different genres in separate works and whether you do them separately or in parallel doesn't matter.

Current case with a new dev feels like it's at least a tad forced sudden extra genre incorporation. At this point it won't just be the NTR guys that would be cucked (xd) out of their stuff to an extent, but the vanilla route enjoyers too. Hell, i'm not exclusively for a NTR route here either, even if it may bring out the most passion and emotion and whatnot with its content.
Either way, barring some surprisingly well written way of NTS sub-route it'll just feel like the MC is bound to end up a schizo that'll wake up one day feeling either like a cuck/clueless dumdum/normal lovey dovey guy without much of an agenda behind any approach. It's likely already tough enough to have two polar opposite genres co-exist while having to keep the character building at the back of the mind and adding in the third wheel is unlikely to make it any easier, safe to say.

That's how i feel about it all, not trying to blindly bash on NTS too much or anything (it likely came off as such initially, my bad). Really want to have a work where characters can shine with their personalities for a change in parallel to the smut, while not just being the full non-stop porn devices and without being the carbon copies of the dully written tropes in tons of work before.

 

[Hasselnut]

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I wish winning would actually mean something more than just having a bigger total works count, which just leads to ignoring the contents of said works and their quality.
Also it's kinda funny that you have separate works for different kind of NT(s), which i personally feel should be the more common approach. Just do different genres in separate works and whether you do them separately or in parallel doesn't matter.

Current case with a new dev feels like it's at least a tad forced sudden extra genre incorporation. At this point it won't just be the NTR guys that would be cucked (xd) out of their stuff to an extent, but the vanilla route enjoyers too. Hell, i'm not exclusively for a NTR route here either, even if it may bring out the most passion and emotion and whatnot with its content.
Either way, barring some surprisingly well written way of NTS sub-route it'll just feel like the MC is bound to end up a schizo that'll wake up one day feeling either like a cuck/clueless dumdum/normal lovey dovey guy without much of an agenda behind any approach. It's likely already tough enough to have two polar opposite genres co-exist while having to keep the character building at the back of the mind and adding in the third wheel is unlikely to make it any easier, safe to say.

That's how i feel about it all, not trying to blindly bash on NTS too much or anything (it likely came off as such initially, my bad). Really want to have a work where characters can shine with their personalities for a change in parallel to the smut, while not just being the full non-stop porn devices and without being the carbon copies of the dully written tropes in tons of work before.

I don't think this game focuses about writing and characters, but rather about immersion and living the experience, hence the first person. The three characters are the usual archetypes that shine through the way you experience this story.
So, it feels like you're looking for something that the dev is not focusing about, here. Story and writing is not everything and, if you want some, you should look for visual novels and not first person streamer manager games

 

[randomname2243]

It depends on if you take steps for the love route , paying rent on time often enough has you and the fmc confess and decide to date, but depending on when in the story this happens it may make less sense



Trope or no I am often amused by the sheer oblivious mc . The guy will literally have line of sight on his girls hair during the face fuck scene and be like " are you drunk why are you wobbling like that" as if we as the player are not impacted by his lack of eyesight and awareness

As far as the random variable I would support an optional toggle for that as it can break the intended routes on someone's first time playing and cause a less than enjoyable experience if someone was unaware of it. But for replay or comedy sure. Sounds like a fallout series wild wasteland perk. Something like wacky ntr logic

I prefer a more observant or cunning protagonist (especially female protagonist in control). You being control of the trope instead of the usual "sub"(not in sex, I mean in the trope) or the one that has no control at all.

Let's see what you will do. I would like to pursue love route but also have her have sex with other people but she loves you in the end, regardless of what happens. If the random variable is her loyal trait.
The if above is optional, I just like pure romance routes with some spice into it(like the Netorase or sharing mentioned above), so it won't be stale or mediocre.

 

[Lewdkerwin]

Let's see what you will do. I would like to pursue love route but also have her have sex with other people but she loves you in the end, regardless of what happens. If the random variable is her loyal trait.
The if above is optional, I just like pure romance routes with some spice into it(like the Netorase or sharing mentioned above), so it won't be stale or mediocre.

I remember some good control of the story in nebelgeister jager where it has a double pure love route as difficult as it was. So if it worked that way with the random loyalty variable being used to determine how often the random weekday events occured I'd be on board.

Speaking of If the random scenes were interuptable in order to control the fmc corruption rate , or lead to a more controlled nts experience that would be neat. But as a non developer I have no idea how that would work.

 

[honestentity]

I prefer a more observant or cunning protagonist (especially female protagonist in control). You being control of the trope instead of the usual "sub"(not in sex, I mean in the trope) or the one that has no control at all.

Let's see what you will do. I would like to pursue love route but also have her have sex with other people but she loves you in the end, regardless of what happens. If the random variable is her loyal trait.
The if above is optional, I just like pure romance routes with some spice into it(like the Netorase or sharing mentioned above), so it won't be stale or mediocre.

I think there's definitely something there. Randomised choices might be fun for a new game+ kind of a deal. Never a first playthrough. Tho idk what kind of stuff the random variables would control other than going to the landlord's house vs not going. Some of the truly random things in this game are the user comments on videos and those could be a way to drive further corruption. And I might have to look into ideas to implement while using those as a factor.

 

[Lewdkerwin]

I think there's definitely something there. Randomised choices might be fun for a new game+ kind of a deal. Never a first playthrough. Tho idk what kind of stuff the random variables would control other than going to the landlord's house vs not going. Some of the truly random things in this game are the user comments on videos and those could be a way to drive further corruption. And I might have to look into ideas to implement while using those as a factor.

Oh absolutely I would love having consequences for neglecting removing the sexually explicit comments in the same way fmc corruption increase on rent neglect. Or even making things worse by liking these comments.

This would make an interesting alternative to gameplay as well. Imagine if you missed the initial rent to allow the landlord to start creeping. Then while continuing to neglect her streaming career the mc instead could do one of those alternative work jobs that currently are inactive to pay for her portion of the rent himself. She could still progress the route out of her own initiative out of either disappointing viewership/stream revenue or the comments getting to her.

Sorry for another edit just thinking on my drive home

In the same line of thought for not moderating the comments on streams and alternate corruption for the fmc could be responding to these comments and getting herself temporarily suspended by doing something lewd on stream to the enjoyment of these viewers. Maybe a bump in viewer contributions that day followed by several days of no streams . Possible cancelled failed sponsor deals. Could add a solo scene to be viewed through the fmc window to coincide with the occurrence.

Then if on this suspension what would she feel like doing during the day, visit me or landlord ? Maybe invite one of the two over during a stream. Possible extra ending converting her to an adult based stream rather than a gaming stream?

 

[Gronkwayl]

I don't think this game focuses about writing and characters, but rather about immersion and living the experience, hence the first person. The three characters are the usual archetypes that shine through the way you experience this story.
So, it feels like you're looking for something that the dev is not focusing about, here. Story and writing is not everything and, if you want some, you should look for visual novels and not first person streamer manager games

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TL;DR - game is in very early stages of production and doesn't have much to offer in terms of writing yet, so there's a lot to build upon, with every little line of dialogue, ranging from simple observation reaction and ending with important choice being a way to contribute to character building which shouldn't be shrugged off because of first person view or because of "le just a porn game", which is nothing but a sad downplaying of the potential this game might have.

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If using the extremes like visual novels as an example is fine then i also have a hypothetical. If the game isn't about writing and anything goes then how about having a protagonist that is exactly like the one from Amazon's first Yuuka RPG title where the MC is nothing more than a walking sprite that goes around triggering scenes with FMC, rarely ever gets a mention by anyone else throughout the course of the game and only has slight involvement with two scenes early on himself that barely even counts as anything. Sounds like a perfect MC for the immersive experience or something, no?

 

[FrogFrozen]

The main issue I see with doing NTR, NTRS, and vanilla all together is just spreading resources thin in the same way introducing more characters would. Maybe the compromise is just focusing on NTR/vanilla until its done and then doing NTRS as a later bonus? Or just focus on making the game as originally envisioned and do a dedicated NTRS game later if you want to.

Either way, I do appreciate the initiative on making a lot of things into toggles. My brain has kind of half-assed my sexuality and I'm in this weird limbo between asexual and allosexual.

I can get off to erotic text and highly stylized depictions of humans fine, but anything that gets more true to the real human body or particularly.... Kinky? Dirty? I'm not sure what the word is. Like the body writing, the hyper-skimpy hooker clothing, the gyaru stuff, high-heels, literally any kind of penetration that's not oral or vaginal, etc. All that just repulses me. I usually just stick to text-only, but its nice that this game has toggles to turn those things off.

 

[Hasselnut]

Currently this is a decent tech demo with a solid room for improvement, so there isn't a whole lot to say truthfully atm in my opinion. I also can't consciously equate first person view exclusively to the immersion aspect as the main thing and as a solid grounds for dismissing the character building based on that. That's a little bit too much personal immersion one is banking on to work in this scenario and it's a little cheap if used as an excuse to dismiss the importance of the characters altogether. The fact that you name the characters and control one of them fully (to the extent of dev's wishes of course) doesn't mean that they should be empty marionettes.
Also how would that even work if i were play with the usual RPG games POV/style/characters - is it automatically less immersive and supposedly more character driven somehow when i don't have the first person? Does the pixel sprite give a good or a bad immersion? How does that work with ren'py titles where you travel in a sandbox in first person but then have your MC's portrait shown too every so often, how does that bode for those kind of games? Sorry, but it all feels like a stretch to me.

The three characters still have ways to go before they even reach the usual archetypes averages, because so far the scenes/dialogue and other stuff are kinda disjointed (multiple poses/scenes in one event and the visual/text side of things coming combined from what should be a different points of relationships between characters) and need to be fleshed out more, like with the need of landlord to actually be more proactive on his own instead of him just waiting for the *I'M FMC. PLEASE INSERT PENIS* FMC to come to him pretty much unprompted, like i mentioned some time ago.
So without any offence to the dev or anything there's not much to shine through for the characters as of yet. Sure, the story is complete, fairly digestible and in a way enjoyable enough as is, but there's a metric ton more that can be done with the current foundation and laying dormant being fully satisfied with things as they are is rather underwhelming overview imo. And that metric ton includes not just sex, because the characters needs to complement the scenes, make the progression actually feel believable enough (and maybe without fully railroading scenes either after some decent establishment only early on either).
Overall this just feels like putting words in dev's mouth now more than anything else at this current point in time.

Visual novel similarly to the quantity of NTR titles point also doesn't mean compelling writing, neither is it likely to be able to provide a decent smut either most of the time. And to reiterate again, there's way too many games where the characters are lucky not be a complete afterthought behind the sex scenes (these days some blender/sfm animations can provide more on both fronts, which is rather sad). And stating it like a factual statement that this game right here is quite detrimental this early on in the development cycle.
Also sure, we are here to play a PORN game, but is there ever that much solid porn every step of the way in any title to drive that particular point home if one were to emphasise the importance of that aspect above anything else?
I don't ask for the walls of text to be written akin to mine, or better yet, like in proper VNs, since more also doesn't always mean good. The characters currently have almost no dialogue anyway so there's just so much to do and tell with them and tie that to the smut that stating otherwise seems weird. This game might be limited in scope to some degree (we might not get any big extra locations to go to, but there's still plenty of ways to introduce extra situations from the outside with the use of streaming/internet in-game), but it's not THAT heavily limited. I don't come with the expectations to read paragraphs of tragic sob stories or anything and neither do i expect the MC to be super competent and be able to intervene with any and all cucking and have the full control of the situation in his hand too, but you can certainly end up having some decently established normal-ish people further down the line with some choices handed to them and different outcomes that depend on them, with few lines of dialogue here and there to accompany these things. Even a single reaction to this little thing here, or that little thing over there goes a long way without needing to be a pre 20th century literature writer. Really doesn't seem like it's that much of a reach to think of a potential like that in some vague sense i don't think.

no way I'm gonna read all of that for a porn game discourse

 

[Hasselnut]

The main issue I see with doing NTR, NTRS, and vanilla all together is just spreading resources thin in the same way introducing more characters would. Maybe the compromise is just focusing on NTR/vanilla until its done and then doing NTRS as a later bonus? Or just focus on making the game as originally envisioned and do a dedicated NTRS game later if you want to.

Either way, I do appreciate the initiative on making a lot of things into toggles. My brain has kind of half-assed my sexuality and I'm in this weird limbo between asexual and allosexual.

I can get off to erotic text and highly stylized depictions of humans fine, but anything that gets more true to the real human body or particularly.... Kinky? Dirty? I'm not sure what the word is. Like the body writing, the hyper-skimpy hooker clothing, the gyaru stuff, high-heels, literally any kind of penetration that's not oral or vaginal, etc. All that just repulses me. I usually just stick to text-only, but its nice that this game has toggles to turn those things off.

you have no idea of how much work is to ADD a whole new character in a 3d game. Dialogues and options are way less work and more doable before giving burnout to the dev (very important also)

 

[Grosue]

I really liked the game and would like to know if anyone has any recommendations for similar games.

 

[sdadsadsadsadzzxxzx]

can anyone share a save file

 

[randomname2243]

I remember some good control of the story in nebelgeister jager where it has a double pure love route as difficult as it was. So if it worked that way with the random loyalty variable being used to determine how often the random weekday events occured I'd be on board.

Speaking of If the random scenes were interuptable in order to control the fmc corruption rate , or lead to a more controlled nts experience that would be neat. But as a non developer I have no idea how that would work.

you mean you don't know how they would be implemented in coding?
It is an interesting concept for sure. Perhaps best spot is to ask around people developers and chatGPT to get an idea. I would do that so I can have an mental image on how it works and also understand the concept.
We know it can happen in practice but we don't know how to implement it, by asking around we learn how the city works (a saying where by asking we learn).
Now, how to rephrase the sentence for the AI? Hmm, I will also ask it.

As for that game above you mentioned, what's exactly special about it? Is it a unique game and not mediocre one?

 

[Lewdkerwin]

As for that game above you mentioned, what's exactly special about it? Is it a unique game and not mediocre one?

It has two main special points. The daytime event was a dungeon crawl race against the clock. During this event the fmc is in an alternate space with the male antagonist as she tries to reach the same end goal so you can fight the boss together. You can help her buy giving her health boosts. But if she gets beaten up too much she'll be assaulted by the other guy. What was most interesting was a heart rate monitor for her going from calm to high both while she is in combat and when something lewd was happening. As the MC you can try to call her cell phone to interrupt the other guy but if you call during a fight there is a cool down period that you can't call again.Each dungeon also had a control room with cameras spread across the facility so you could watch what was happening in a voyeur way.

Then in the evening you could go on dates with the girl to advance the love route. After the date she had random variables controlling her other actions around town. Again sometimes she would run into the other guy and you could interrupt them to protect her if you arrived fast enough, or watch what happens if you were too slow.

I've never seen any other game use the heart monitor thing which was very exciting, gotta be careful when you guard her during the day or the true love route will be blocked.

 

[Camilovidal97]

Where's save location?