Notice all the samey AI NTR phone games? It's actually by the same dude grifting the community

[desmosome]

I'm saying any information you think is credible enough to share as your "proof" of his "shady" actions should be backed by more than "it looks like" or "it could be" and that you are 100% certain of the origins of that information, especially when the results could be ruining another persons reputation and livelihood.

Okay, so we have a template for making a game. We have a dev who is promoting a bunch of other games which use the same exact template, workflow, and outputting essentially the same product. Each of those games in turn have their own promotion pages for every other game, including the first game. And each of these games are posted by a new F95zone account that uses noun-animal-noun convention.

Based on the combination of this set of circumstantial evidence, are you saying that the chance that all these games are from the same person is not overwhelming, beyond any reasonable doubt?

If that last part about the animal names didn't exist, you could probably make some sort of argument that this was somehow Taptus admirers taking his template and voluntarily entering into a cross-promotion pact. VERY unlikely, but that argument could be made.

But when you see clear evidence of automation in the generation of the F95zone account itself, that poor argument goes down the shitter.

We KNOW all these games are from the same person.

So the only thing left is to determine the intent behind this action. And I gave my thoughts on the most likely intent behind this behavior. You came up with various other motivations someone might do this, and they are still all done in bad faith at the expense of the subscribers. The only way this isn't scummy is if he discloses that these are his alts, but he won't do that.

So I'll ask you again. Is my logic flawed? Are you saying there is significant doubt on whether all these animal name devs are Taptus?

Edit: Frankly, I think you are just doing your usual thing of debating just to debate. If I made a thread saying Taptus is an amazing guy because he is promoting so many new devs' games so that they could have a good start to their fledgling careers as quality developers of porn games, you would probably come in here saying I'm wrong and that he is self-promoting his bullshit alt accounts.

 

[morphnet]

Lerd0 go ask your handlers if this rule applies if it is deemed that there is sufficient evidence that Taptus is doing what I'm saying they are doing. I'm actually curious if there is violation based on existing site rules.

Why ask Lerd0? You know how the report function works in game OP's and you know how to use the ticket system. You also believe strongly enough that the guy is trying to mislead people that you made a thread.

Report him yourself and see what happens...

Okay, so we have a template for making a game. We have a dev who is promoting a bunch of other games which use the same exact template, workflow, and outputting essentially the same product.

No, but do carry on...

Based on the combination of this set of circumstantial evidence, are you saying that the chance that all these games are from the same person is not overwhelming, beyond any reasonable doubt?

We have some rpgm games that use stock assets, use engine tools (eventing - conditional branches etc.) and use yanfly's plugins.

Based on the combination of this set of circumstantial evidence, are you saying that the chance that all these games are from the same person is not overwhelming, beyond any reasonable doubt?

We KNOW all these games are from the same person.

You THINK... but for argument sake let's say you are right....

So the only thing left is to determine the intent behind this action. And I gave my thoughts on the most likely intent behind this behavior. You came up with various other motivations someone might do this, and they are still all done in bad faith at the expense of the subscribers.

What subscribers? which subscribers? The average dev barely makes any money to start with, let alone enough to quit their day jobs. Here you are claiming this guy is pulling in enough subscribers that they not only support a game of his but that there are so many that some even unknowingly support 2 or more of his games.

The strange thing is patreons rules clearly state they look outside of patreon at a dev's activity so if a dev was worried about loosing his accounts it would make perfect sense not to admit to owning all those accounts and it would not be malicious in the slightest.

The strange thing is, that if he were to be reported for his content and he had admitted to owning all those accounts the person reporting him could include that statement when they report him to steam or itch or patreon or subscribestar etc. and having linked him to all them they could shut them all down.

Why do I keep saying strange thing? Because no one seems to want to do anything except expect the worse and believe that all intent is malicious.

The only way this isn't scummy is if he discloses that these are his alts, but he won't do that.

As I've pointed out above, it isn't the only way it is not scummy. You are just taking a very narrow, jaded view of the situation.
Outside of supposedly having multiple accounts and not admitting to it, this dev has done NOTHING to deserve not being given the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't mass abandoned his works, he updates them, they haven't been reported to contain anything malicious, they don't have bugs and they work and play as advertised.

So I'll ask you again. Is my logic flawed? Are you saying there is significant doubt on whether all these animal name devs are Taptus?

Do me a favor, go to the latest updates page, include the netorare tag and hover your mouse over the games on the first 5 pages. Now excluding the guy AND his supposed alt, see how many game devs have animals in their names and then ask me the question again.

Frankly, I think you are just doing your usual thing of debating just to debate.

If I wanted to debate just to debate I'd be in the general politics thread. I replied here for the same reasons I replied to the first thread.

If I made a thread saying Taptus is an amazing guy because he is promoting so many new devs' games so that they could have a good start to their fledgling careers as quality developers of porn games, you would probably come in here saying I'm wrong and that he is self-promoting his bullshit alt accounts.

If you paid attention you would have seen the first thread that brought this up was linked here and I was in there long before you made this thread.

As I said before, if you really wanted to help the community, report him. If you are right he will get banned but for some reason you would rather argue with me than follow the right course of action.... maybe you are the one who is debating just to debate?

 

[Jaike]

When dealing with a persons reputation and livelihood I would think people would act responsibly and rely on more than their jaded outlook and "it could be", "it might be", I would expect that the people involved were 100% certain and in possession of ALL the FACTS and proof before they took actions that could potentially ruin another persons reputation and livelihood.

I bet most of the subscribers don't give a shit about the claims and won't even see this discussion. Maybe the dev'd lose a supporter or 2 but after what we'd seen with Icstor, assuming reputation and livelihood are at stake seems exaggerated.

This isn't a court anyway, and even there the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt", not anywhere near 100% certain.

 

[MissCougar]

I mean, more power to the person if they can keep up with demand and keep their subscribers happy.

It's a dog eat dog world. We don't have one Starbucks, we have thousands. But if all of those are making people happy, then by all means keep doing it!

 

[morphnet]

I bet most of the subscribers don't give a shit about the claims and won't even see this discussion. Maybe the dev'd lose a supporter or 2 but after what we'd seen with Icstor, assuming reputation and livelihood are at stake seems exaggerated.

Well we don't know their situation and I added potentially for that exact reason. They could be rolling in money and not care or they could be really relying on the extra cash. That said, isn't the right thing to take the side of caution when something like this is at stake?

This isn't a court anyway, and even there the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt", not anywhere near 100% certain.

I already explain that part... not sure why "court" keeps coming up but ok??

 

[Jaike]

I mean, more power to the person if they can keep up with demand and keep their subscribers happy.

It's a dog eat dog world. We don't have one Starbucks, we have thousands. But if all of those are making people happy, then by all means keep doing it!

Kinda a risk tho if 1 dev captures the AI NTR phone "market". What if the last competitor drops out and then he bam surprises everyone with sudden forced harem endings in all his games?

That said, isn't the right thing to take the side of caution when something like this is at stake?

Not really, imo. There's a responsibility that the claim is backed up with evidence or an argument to a reasonable standard, and that's the case here, not like the OP is simply prejudice or whatever, and then there's the separate question of what kind of discussion the site allows that isn't up to us to decide. But with all the topics that complain about LOML for "milking", I doubt this 1's a problem.

I think it's the dev's responsibility too to avoid this kind of situation, when they're monetising their shit.

I already explain that part... not sure why "court" keeps coming up but ok??

Because, if you call for a very strict standard, that invites comparisons to less strict standards that apply in most cases in life in liberal democracies in the real world...

 

[MissCougar]

Kinda a risk tho if 1 dev captures the AI NTR phone "market". What if the last competitor drops out and then he bam surprises everyone with sudden forced harem endings in all his games?

Everyone will get cucked by their favorite genre then.

That's kind of some ironic humor I would approve of and enjoy the resultant meltdowns over.

Most people don't even know they are enjoying a variety of swinging and voyeurism content going under the disguise of NTR anyway, so if at the end it pulls off the Scooby Doo mask and its harem... make it happen lone dev!

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

It's a dog eat dog world. We don't have one Starbucks, we have thousands. But if all of those are making people happy, then by all means keep doing it!

Not for me. I'm one of, like, five people that make my type of game. Not great from a monetization standpoint as it lacks mainstream appeal, but at least I'm fairly unique.

 

[MissCougar]

Not for me. I'm one of, like, five people that make my type of game. Not great from a monetization standpoint as it lacks mainstream appeal, but at least I'm fairly unique.

I agree.Your particular genre is mostly untouched by the thronging masses. It's definitely not in the AI CG Phone NTR range of exposure.

But I do hope that uniqueness is also playing in your favor and you are seeing bountiful windfalls of excess excitement and joy and money if that is what you want!

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I agree.Your particular genre is mostly untouched by the thronging masses. It's definitely not in the AI CG Phone NTR range of exposure.

But I do hope that uniqueness is also playing in your favor and you are seeing bountiful windfalls of excess excitement and joy and money if that is what you want!

My particular brand of game has brought me a discord community that yells at me for working too much. (And is telling me to not worry that I may have to do something about the next release because I'm sick)

 

[MissCougar]

My particular brand of game has brought me a discord community that yells at me for working too much. (And is telling me to not worry that I may have to do something about the next release because I'm sick)

The best community. <3

 

[Icarus Media]

Not for me. I'm one of, like, five people that make my type of game. Not great from a monetization standpoint as it lacks mainstream appeal, but at least I'm fairly unique.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

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*Cough*

 

[Icarus Media]

*Cough*

Alright, can you cough again please?

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Alright, can you cough again please?

Am sick, so I've been doing that a lot this week.

 

[RevvOxx]

however! consider this!
If he is indeed grifting the community with basically fake ntr games, isn't he actually fullfilling the ntr kink in some sort of meta way?

 

[Icarus Media]

Am sick, so I've been doing that a lot this week.

Get well soon.

 

[Lerd0]

Lerd0 go ask your handlers if this rule applies if it is deemed that there is sufficient evidence that Taptus is doing what I'm saying they are doing. I'm actually curious if there is violation based on existing site rules.

...i was told probably not.....
...since we know a lot of their alts...and didn't do shit.....they need to do sussy shit with the alts.....like this one did

 

[desmosome]

Why ask Lerd0? You know how the report function works in game OP's and you know how to use the ticket system. You also believe strongly enough that the guy is trying to mislead people that you made a thread.

Report him yourself and see what happens...



No, but do carry on...



We have some rpgm games that use stock assets, use engine tools (eventing - conditional branches etc.) and use yanfly's plugins.

Based on the combination of this set of circumstantial evidence, are you saying that the chance that all these games are from the same person is not overwhelming, beyond any reasonable doubt?



You THINK... but for argument sake let's say you are right....



What subscribers? which subscribers? The average dev barely makes any money to start with, let alone enough to quit their day jobs. Here you are claiming this guy is pulling in enough subscribers that they not only support a game of his but that there are so many that some even unknowingly support 2 or more of his games.

The strange thing is patreons rules clearly state they look outside of patreon at a dev's activity so if a dev was worried about loosing his accounts it would make perfect sense not to admit to owning all those accounts and it would not be malicious in the slightest.

The strange thing is, that if he were to be reported for his content and he had admitted to owning all those accounts the person reporting him could include that statement when they report him to steam or itch or patreon or subscribestar etc. and having linked him to all them they could shut them all down.

Why do I keep saying strange thing? Because no one seems to want to do anything except expect the worse and believe that all intent is malicious.



As I've pointed out above, it isn't the only way it is not scummy. You are just taking a very narrow, jaded view of the situation.
Outside of supposedly having multiple accounts and not admitting to it, this dev has done NOTHING to deserve not being given the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't mass abandoned his works, he updates them, they haven't been reported to contain anything malicious, they don't have bugs and they work and play as advertised.



Do me a favor, go to the latest updates page, include the netorare tag and hover your mouse over the games on the first 5 pages. Now excluding the guy AND his supposed alt, see how many game devs have animals in their names and then ask me the question again.



If I wanted to debate just to debate I'd be in the general politics thread. I replied here for the same reasons I replied to the first thread.



If you paid attention you would have seen the first thread that brought this up was linked here and I was in there long before you made this thread.

As I said before, if you really wanted to help the community, report him. If you are right he will get banned but for some reason you would rather argue with me than follow the right course of action.... maybe you are the one who is debating just to debate?

Your arguments are terrible at this point and I will end it here. Go ahead and claim victory if you want lol.

 

[morphnet]

I think it's the dev's responsibility too to avoid this kind of situation, when they're monetising their shit.

I agree.

Because, if you call for a very strict standard, that invites comparisons to less strict standards that apply in most cases in life in liberal democracies in the real world...

Except it's not very strict, in fact it's not strict at all...

Here is an example

When people jumped on the forums and blamed patreon for ALL the censorship, claiming it was banning ALL porn, calling for petitions and boycotts.

They had the same type of arguments and used the same style of arguing. They throw in unsubstantiated claims, random and / or extreme examples and then make the argument about any posters who disagrees with them instead of addressing the points made by those posters.

Did you then and do you now think it was "vert strict" to expect them to backup those claims? To show ANYTHING other than "they say so" to prove patreon was to blame and not the payment processors? To prove that patreon was banning ALL porn and not just incest, rape etc. just because they said so?

and of course as these discussion almost always go, the unsubstantiated claims, random and / or extreme examples have to be addressed first else the OP / other posters complain you are ignoring "the facts" and use that to de-rail / sidetrack the discussion, all the while trying to keep the discussion on-topic, stop side-tracking and them making it about the poster and not the points.

Asking someone to be 100% certain that patreon is to blame before posting patreon is to blame for ALL censorship is not strict.

Go ahead and claim victory if you want lol.

You clearly missed the point and you were the only one looking at this as a win / loose discussion.