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Yeah I just said I like to imagine Matt taking it not that it's correct. Especially not after I learned they dated for years lol.Yeah edited my comment, guess i was too late
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What we know is that even after years of relationship she was virgin..but kisses and gropes...
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Only handholding allowed.
I finally replayed this game again and finished the 'new' update (this time on 'happy'). I really enjoyed the comic style scenes, felt more immersive. Game is getting longer tho, so I'm not sure how long will I be able to keep my tradition of doing a fresh start each time but I will try.
From what I see, the LizApp only shows what happen in real time, after the nanobots activated and the app installed. So technically anything happened before activation will not show, which includes MC and Liz's kisses and if they have done other stuff like blowjobs, but clearly no sex yet because the app says in the beginning that Liz is a virgin.
What I find weird is, there are some identical actions made on all 3 paths but only Happy and NTR paths will count them as cheating and not in Lover. Like the blowjob in the bus on the way to camping. It is counted as cheating in Happy (and especially NTR) but not in Lover.
What I find weird is, there are some identical actions made on all 3 paths but only Happy and NTR paths will count them as cheating and not in Lover. Like the blowjob in the bus on the way to camping. It is counted as cheating in Happy (and especially NTR) but not in Lover.
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Most of this could be saved if MC and Liz would talk a bit about not having sex until now and commenting on their first sex when it happened.
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It doesn't bother me personally but if you try to make sense of it... it does feel off how they held on for so long and then have it like it's nothing. I know Matt and nanos influence Liz in a way but the cause doesn't really matter if the sex isn't addressed.
Although, you can find many things off in fiction, especially when it comes to porn games. Fiction will never be real no matter how much we try to make sense of it.
And nosy can always make something up since the game isn't finished.
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If you don't buy condoms she literaly rape you...something strange for a virgin who held herself for long time
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Her arousal and lack of control can be explained by Matt and nanos like I said. 'Corruption'. Still doesn't answer why they treat virginity loss like nothing if she saved it for that long.
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That game has some plot holes (as almost every other game as well) anyway.
At some point, just treat it as "porn logic".
That one actually kinda makes sense though. They get counted as cheating if she's doing it at least somewhat willingly, but in Lover she only does it because of Matt's blackmail.
Can you list. other good games that you were talking about in this comment?
A while back I wondered why 1 of my saves of Lover path has 2 counts of cheating. This is the save where I made MC a neglectful boyfriend. I carefully selected Lover-safe choices where I declined invites, made Liz go with Sam instead, avoided sex, and in the latter part not checking her in the bathroom and not visiting Liz during lunch, etc.
So I made a new re-run and observed every neglectful choices I made and finally, I found those 2 cheating instances:
1ST CHEATING: The scene is after MC went clubbing for the 1st time with Liz and Sam. The next day, Sam ask MC if she will visit Liz again during lunch (this is Sam's 2nd visit). If you did not agree to her visiting Liz, Matt will get a throatpie blowjob from Liz in the office bathroom. LizApp count on "cheated" = 1.
2ND CHEATING: The scene is after the 2nd clubbing. The next day, Matt asked Liz to use the "gift" (a small vibrator taped on her clit). Then a set of choices will appear to visit Liz during lunch or not. If you did not visit Liz during lunch, she will become too horny because of the vibrator and will voluntarily go to Matt's office to give him a deepthroat blowjob. LizApp count on "cheated" = 2.
I am unsure on the 1st cheating as there is no indication that Liz was willing to give Matt the blowjob, while the 2nd cheating is very obvious because she went to Matt's office to give the blowjob without him asking.
So I made a new re-run and observed every neglectful choices I made and finally, I found those 2 cheating instances:
1ST CHEATING: The scene is after MC went clubbing for the 1st time with Liz and Sam. The next day, Sam ask MC if she will visit Liz again during lunch (this is Sam's 2nd visit). If you did not agree to her visiting Liz, Matt will get a throatpie blowjob from Liz in the office bathroom. LizApp count on "cheated" = 1.
2ND CHEATING: The scene is after the 2nd clubbing. The next day, Matt asked Liz to use the "gift" (a small vibrator taped on her clit). Then a set of choices will appear to visit Liz during lunch or not. If you did not visit Liz during lunch, she will become too horny because of the vibrator and will voluntarily go to Matt's office to give him a deepthroat blowjob. LizApp count on "cheated" = 2.
I am unsure on the 1st cheating as there is no indication that Liz was willing to give Matt the blowjob, while the 2nd cheating is very obvious because she went to Matt's office to give the blowjob without him asking.
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I'm not sure what you exactly meant to say by your post
since we already know that, but yeah, so far, Lovers is about being able to prevent most of her cheating when you have the choice and keeping cheating counter at zero. Still, she does cheat, 'unwillingly', due to nanobots and Matt's blackmail. My suspicion is the Lovers path with cheating counter > 0 will eventually devolve to the same outcome as Happy, so imo, it's worth playing only if you keep that counter at 0.Well, my point is in the first part of what I said... "I wondered why".... Because in Lover, it is always shown that all actions were instigated by Matt so they were considered "forced" instead of "cheating"... That's why I tried to research why of all the blowjobs Liz made with Matt in Lover, only 2 of them are considered cheating, and 1 of them is questionable if it's cheating or forced as compared to the other.I'm not sure what you exactly meant to say by your post
Yes, there are noticeable differences, One example is there are some dialogues that are the same in both path but shows different outfits and pics. There are also NTS dialogues that are only available in NTR and not Happy, and other dialogues too only in Happy but not in NTR. Another example is Sam interaction. NTR only have few interactions with Sam as compared to Happy.
There are still other differences but we may need about 5 pages of this forum to say them all, lol.
Ah, gotcha. For me, all actions she does on Lovers is cheating no matter how you look at it, forced or willing. E.g., when she 'willingly' comes to Matt because of the vibrator, she already cheated by intention, doesn't matter if the MC then prevents or not that under-desk bj. She could just masturbate in the toilet and not go give a blowjob to Matt, whom she hates on Lovers, on her own initiative.
So my own explanation is that on Happy/NTR the cheating counter is simply a statistical number, while on Lovers it's an important game mechanic that allows players to stay on Lovers or fall off to Happy/NTR in future developments. So dividing those blowjobs into cheating and non-cheating simply serves the purposes of that mechanic, no need for us to overthink the logic of it. This bj is 'forced' and that bj is 'cheating' just because the dev decided that way
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