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[nonotme101]

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[toxicduo]

Well, some more or less ntr (not swinging/netorase or outright-netori ones) pornhwa I've read then.

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  a neglected woman (with a husband and a son) is becoming promiscuous with younger men
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  MC's "friend" is going after MC's step-mom. Well, MC is fucking milfs himself, so I guess that's not good enough for you?
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  same, a bad guy is going after MC's step-mom
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  FMC is coerced into prostitution and dumps MC, however the narrative is not your typical ntr - it starts ten years later, and their young years come as flashbacks

i've seen most of these but i haven't heard of By Chance so i'll take a look at it thanks

 

[skyblueaster]

These were decent but old problem is there just aren't any Ntr pornwha's around now, they've all been reduced to swinging or netorase or the MC is fucking everything, then the ones where everyone is fucking everyone unfortunately most of these guys would rather do that then face the backlash they've received before for making a ntr pornwha, honestly i think the only reason queen bee didn't get so much hate was of its dark nature in general like it was expected to happen, also mc in that one was set up to get revenge.

Unfortunately, the majority of pornwha are not NTR but some mix of netorase/netori/cheating.
I actually cannot name many pure NTR pornwha because some people keep labeling cheating as NTR. It's annoying and a total waste of time, so much that I don't bother to read any unless the premise is really interesting or I REALLY know it's NTR.

My Sister’s Duty is good at building the NTR atmosphere but…

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[Dodz1984]

Unfortunately, the majority of pornwha are not NTR but some mix of netorase/cheating.
I actually cannot name many pure NTR pornwha because some people keep labeling NTR as cheating. It's annoying and a total waste of time, so much that I don't bother to read any unless the premise is really interesting or I REALLY know it's NTR.

My Sister’s Duty is good at building the NTR atmosphere but…

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how would you describe pure NTR?

 

[skyblueaster]

how would you describe pure NTR?

Lovers actually being stolen, not just partners having one-night stands or simple cheating with no consequences.
More importantly, experiencing the story from the cuck’s side and not the bull’s.
It should also involve jealousy, anger, and gradual corruption of the MC’s loved one.

Many pornwha labeled NTR actually feature the bull as the MC, so it’s really netori more than netorare.

 

[Dodz1984]

Lovers actually being stolen, not just partners having one-night stands or simple cheating with no consequences.
More importantly, experiencing the story from the cuck’s side and not the bull’s.
A lot of these pornwha actually feature the bull as the MC, so it’s really netori more than netorare.

Thanks! I aways associated NTR with the cuckold fetish, now I realize that it must have a heartbreaking ending for it to be real NTR.

 

[skyblueaster]

One thing that bothers me is the lack of interaction between women in NTR works, meaning they fail the Bechdel test, with most of the interactions being between the man and the FMC, forgetting all of the other women.

This bothers me a lot in works set in rural villages with strange customs or cults. It would be nice to see conversations between the different women, like a grandmother telling her granddaughter about the importance of participating in the ritual or the village women making lewd comments and justifying the tradition.

I think the best example of this problem is Arrival of the Goddess, where the protagonist doesn't interact at all with the other women in the village, which would have led to interesting situations.

At the other extreme is Our Red String, which shows that women can also be corrupting forces.

I also don’t like how women basically don’t interact with each other in H-games. So in my game, I gave a lot of agency to girls.
In the beginning of the game, I have an attendant, Midori, who acts as an introductory character who shows FMC through the hoops of Miyogawa.

Afteward, I added a new heroine, Shiori, who becomes the FMC's best friend.
They have many interactions with each other, and have girls’ night outs, which often don’t include the MC.
(They share many college classes, whereas MC takes different ones.)

The two heroines build up a strong rapport, so it’ll be quite fun to write about how the ugly bastards gradually break them apart and use their feelings against each other, and the MC.

It will a nightmare making scenes for them though, since that's 2x the H-scenes and cost.
But the eventual FF(MM) hate-sex orgies will be worth it.

Here is a screenshot of Shiori expressing skepticism at the FMC’s plan to “rescue” the MC from some evildoers who have kidnapped him.

 

[Dodz1984]

Thanks! I aways associated NTR with the cuckold fetish, now I realize that it must have a heartbreaking ending for it to be real NTR.

There should be a cuckold tag in the forum then.

 

[skyblueaster]

There should be a cuckold tag in the forum then.

To clarify:

Netorare/netorase are both cuckold.
NTR = netorare, NTS = netorase

Netorare focuses on the cuckold’s feelings and often incites rage, jealousy (seething kind), anger. The Cuckold is often UPSET at having their lover stolen, though this can turn to enjoyment as they… accepts their situation.

Netorase focuses on bull’s feelings and does incite jealousy (but more casual, less dramatic). Taboo and forbidden pleasure are significant themes. The cuckold is WILLINGLY lending their partner out, as they find enjoyment in the taboo act. You know how incest is forbidden yet often fetishized?

Both cases can involve the lover being stolen, and their feelings also contribute to whether the piece is NTR or NTS. Sometimes the line is quite fine, and one genre blurs into the other. The cuckold can hate it at first then learns to love it, a pretty common theme.

You CAN have netorare with happy endings btw. It’s just rare and needs decent writing otherwise the NTR falls flat.

 

[Dodz1984]

To clarify:

Netorare/netorase are both cuckold.
NTR = netorare, NTS = netorase

Netorare focuses on the cuckold’s feelings and often incites rage, jealousy (seething kind), anger. The Cuckold is often UPSET at having their lover stolen, though this can turn to enjoyment as they… accepts their situation.

Netorase focuses on bull’s feelings and does incite jealousy (but more casual, less dramatic). A significant theme is taboo and forbidden pleasure. The cuckold is WILLINGLY lending his parter out, as they find enjoyment in the taboo act. You know how incest is forbidden yet often fetishized?

Both cases can involve the lover being stolen, and their feelings also contribute to whether the piece is NTR or NTS. Sometimes the line is quite fine, and one genre blurs into the other. The cuckold can hate it at first then learns to love it, a pretty common theme.

You CAN have netorare with happy endings btw. It’s just rare and needs decent writing otherwise the NTR falls flat.

From what I know, the cuckold fetish doesn't include the loved person being stolen away, they stay with you.
And it is quite hard for me to imagine how there could be a happy ending if the loved one gets stolen.

Edit: A caged cuck won't fuck his wife but she remains his wife.

 

[skyblueaster]

From what I know, the cuckold fetish doesn't include the loved person being stolen away, they stay with you.
And it is quite hard for me to imagine how there could be a happy ending if the loved one gets stolen.

Edit: A caged cuck won't fuck his wife but she remains his wife.

In technical terms, a cuckold just means a person whose partner has sexual relations with someone else. They can know or not know about it. In NTS they obviously know about it (since they are doing the lending out), but in NTR they can be clueless about it.

Usually if it's NTS then the cuck is enjoying it, and NTR they are suffering but can eventually enjoy it. The partner can leave the cuckold in both situations, more common in NTR though. And a lot of NTS do turn into NTR and vice versa in the end.
It’s incredibly hard to define, and I’m quite busy, so hopefully someone else can explain it better.

A few NTR has happy endings. Mesu Nochi Torare has the GF coming back to the MC.

 

[Varryan]

If the girlfriend/wife actually does abandon the boyfriend eventually, i feel like thats the point when it gets way less interesting. In some ways i guess it makes sense for that to be the logical conclusion but i just hope theres alot of stuff happening before that point, since at least for me thats when i would most likely lose interest

 

[skyblueaster]

If the girlfriend/wife actually does abandon the boyfriend eventually, i feel like thats the point when it gets way less interesting. In some ways i guess it makes sense for that to be the logical conclusion but i just hope theres alot of stuff happening before that point, since at least for me thats when i would most likely lose interest

Yeah the story is pretty much over, which is why it happens at the end usually.

 

[Klab040855]

For me the best NTS are the one where the girl leave in the end and the male protagonist feels regret but still excited at the same time.

 

[Hurdium]

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[phantomz]

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[leavy]

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[IndustrialFallan]

Hey can anyone suggest other similar developers like retsymthenam

 

[anonsuit]

Black New World Order

ok but what is it. a fetish? a movement? a conspiracy theory? some form of omegaverse?

 

[SlidingSubject]

ok but what is it. a fetish? a movement? a conspiracy theory? some form of omegaverse?

First and last one. A setting, but taken weirdly seriously by certain peeps, on both sides.