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cIoseopenbrutal

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Chill my friend nobody cry around here it was my opinion if you like or dislike that's your problem.
Wasnt really going after you, it's the comment made by Yambidexter. In your initial comment, you said "in your opinion" , so I didnt really care about that post if im being honest. On the other hand, Yambidexter said and I quote;

At this point something like that has to be pinned and showed on top of every page here.
like he's high and mighty. like some kind of ntr ruler.


For netorare you need to feel something when you read the story(and if you are man you can related more with mc than fmc), it's not the same shit...only mc or both perspective if not is not netorare it's simple to understand.
For fmc to have netorare is when her man fuck other girls and fmc feel the pain in her relatioship with that guy, but most fmc with ntr tag in games have just corruption on her side not on the guy, so it focus corruption on herself do you get what I say now?


Yea I enjoy when I have 2 perspective both male and female to create the tension & feelings between them if the game let you to choose.

and on Jav is just pure marketing to put ntr on everything just to sell more, you can't be serious when you compare games with jav it's a total different. :FacePalm:
In jav is a minimal story background to even feel something when you watch it...You probably feel more when you look on the Movies in drama genre some movies yes have the feeling of ntr because it focus on characters....In jav is just sex with 10% story
As for the rest of this opinion, let's just agree to disagree. If you really understand what I've been saying , from the perspective of fmc ntr player, you wont have the need to say all these things.
 
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Wasnt really going after you, it's the comment made by Yambidexter. In your initial comment, you said "in your opinion" , so I didnt really care about that post if im being honest. On the other hand, Yambidexter said and I quote;



like he's high and mighty. like some kind of ntr ruler.



As for the rest of this opinion, let's just agree to disagree.
You should have links to all the fmc discussions in your signature so we dont do this every week.
 

cIoseopenbrutal

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I should stop here now. Not gonna entertain the same old response ,same old reasoning from different people. In the end , as always, nobody wins.

FMC ntr is a thing. Whether you like it or not. It aint going anywhere.We can see and understand people that they view it as "cheating". BUT, the rest of us , can see it as ntr. If you want more discussions on the topic, just simply search the entirety of this thread.

You should have links to all the fmc discussions in your signature so we dont do this every week.
At this point , I should do it honestly. lol
 
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At the risk of my non-existent reputation, I'm going to put out an opinion that will probably have 90 percent of people roast my ass.

NTR games with only one partner/bull are mid. Most of them end up sounding like the average female drama where another guy sweeps them off their feet with their money, looks, or status. Except you're in the position of the poor shmuck who watches it happen rather than the female lead who is portraying it as a fairy tale.

NTR with multiple partners is the true debauchery.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. :KEK:
I disagree, but understand that some people feel that way.
For me personally multiple partners often ruins it, tho it depends how it is implemented.
Multiple routes is okay and I understand people want variety.
The issue I have with multiple partners is that it becomes way more about the sluttification of the FMC than about the actual cheating with a specific antagonist. Like it almost devalues the significance of the FMC for me because they just turn into total nymphomaniacs with no regard to whjo they have sex with. Idk why but that just ruins it for me.


Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.
I mean tbf. NTR Phone might not be a masterpiece but I think the writing is really strong compared to the trash of some of these RPG-makers "NTR fast food" games (as you called them, and I agree with that) or other "phone / text-chat based" NTR games. v

Edit: Nevermind I was thinking of NTR Mobile.

But yea Kubel is great.
And the most common complaint is the slow pace AND that there is only 1 partner. And then there is the "this is Female POV, that's not NTR".
 
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Female protagonist games are definitely NTR.
The problem it doesn't "feel" NTR is because of (sadly) bad writing by many devs.
Many of these "FMC NTR" games should really be labeled corruption because the male partner is literally a footnote in those games.
There are no feelings of jealousy if the character "stolen from" appears for less than five minutes.

Refuse to classify FMC POV games as NTR? That’s on you.
Dislike FMC NTR games because many simply aren’t good? Fair.

You don't need to self-insert into the FMC, you just need to enjoy the prospect of a loving couple getting broken apart. To engage in their feelings of anguish and despair. 90% of NTR doujinshi is female POV; some are surely bad but others are definitely good.

That being said, I enjoy both perspectives, so I employ both MC and FMC POV in my game.
I have no problems "self-inserting" or relating to MC/FMC as long as it’s written well.
 

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FMC + NTR is a niche, those who like this niche like it, those who don't will never like it.
The fact is: no FMC+NTR will be better than an NTR with MC.
If it's their own opinion, saying that fmc ntr is not ntr FOR THEM , Im totally ok with it. If they hate it, I got no problem with it

I only have problem with people generalizing fmc ntr isnt ntr. Acting that theyre some kind of authority of the matter. Acting high and mighty.

In conclusion,let's just exist in harmony in this ntr thread. Whether it's mom ntr, sis ntr, fmc ntr, bss , netorase, netori and the like. Everybody has their own kinds of kink and we should at least respect that.
 
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It seems that many of you are chasing some ideal NTR, tailored to your own tastes.

And that's why encountering stories or preferences that diverge from this ideal often provoke such outrage and conflict among you, people.

This dynamic mirrors the fervent debates among fans over "shipping" in a vanilla story, where arguments erupt over who deserves the title of "waifu".

For those who'd like to take them all - these single-minded debates can seem absurd.

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Ion.TemUS

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Not this again.

Guess I'll just have to simply explain why fmc ntr is ntr. This time with a good and simple logic behind it. Just go watch JAV ntrs. It's 80% focused in female pov. It's also hidden ntr most of the time. Unrealistic , a bit rapey sometimes, but it still hooks a lot of people. Now apply that to an ntr game. That's pretty much it really.

And it's not exactly cheating (depending on the game) , as theyre mostly blackmailed, forced , hypnotized, corrupted and the like.

Im not even a big fan of fmc ntr, but at least, I understand the perspective of it. Is it better than ntr w/ male protag? No (on rare circumstances, it can be).

I'll say it again, just leave the fmc ntr enjoyers alone. If you cant see what they can see, that's a You problem. No need to cry about it if you cant get into it.
I would say one of the most integral parts of NTR is the focus on corruption.
I originally found my way to NTR from corruption-style games. I liked the one the most where the FMC was a strong, independent person and did not like the idea of being sexually involved with the other characters, where it took time for her to warm up to the idea of doing anything in that regard or where circumstances forced her to engage in something. Often times you can effectively do that by putting the main character into some kind of isolated environment where they need to rely on people around them whos intentions are not always the best, who are selfish or have worldviews that clash with the FMCs views.

The best aspect about NTR for me is if there is slow progress towards becoming more lewd, but in a very directed manner. Going from "You are dispicable" to "My hands are forced / I guess I have to" - which goes into accepting the situation and releasing control of the situation, giving it to someone else (the characters lusting for the FMC) and then gradually getting used to it and starting to enjoy it.

It can't be too hopeless and masochistic and mind-breaky (or hypnosis-related) because that takes away the emotional impact and agency of the FMC and makes it ultimately not her decision. She basically looses her free will, which is besides the point.

It cant be with multiple other people at the same time (with exceptions of the occasional well-written "sharing" or "pimping-out" scene because it detracts from the possessive elements that many of the antagonists in corruption/NTR games exhibit. An antagonist who sees the FMC as a commodity to make money off of is not as hot as an antagonist that treats the FMC like a tool, but is possessive of his tools. (Not saying FMC has to be treated like an object btw, there is a good deal of stories where the FMC is treated like that for a while but then the antagonist changes into appreciating them and valuing the FMC and treating her more human again, almost like a girlfriend (still in a bit of a mysoginistic way), those are often almost better than just having a 100% asshole antagonist).

There is a really great balance that makes up a good NTR game for me.

And I understand some aspects some people have other preferences on. Like FMC vs (M)MC, like hidden cheating vs. semi-hidden and public humiliation vs. blatant cheating + depressive eleemnts vs. blatant Netorase (asked for by MC) vs. Netori (antagonist POV). Or even multiple partners or routes vs. one route/partner. There is arguments for any of these vs. the other ones.

But I think NTR defines itself mostly by a few core elements, which is corruption of the female character, and element of S&M (to varying degrees) - esp. also in where players come from, some like the masochisit angle of the (M)MC, some the angle of the FMC, some like the sadistic angle of the Netori MC, a lot of them like a certain mix of those. And it is also in a way about control. Who is in control? Who gives control away? Who acts according to their desires? And the story can be a good flavor-tool to get a really interesting world and scenario set up that people care about and have characters people are interested in.

Cheating and NTR cant be clearly separated is what Im trying to say. They both belong to the same genre, they just have different aspects. Id say pure "cheating" games or doujins or media mainly deal with a person who is willing to cheat due to temptation and their own sexual desires and it focuses primarily on the POV of the cheater. And even FMC NTR games can focus on the POVs of other people around the FMC and their feelings and what they witness and dont and what the FMC thinks and feels about them. And that is one aspect to seperate the two a bit. But it is never 100% separated. It is one larger genre. All NTR is cheating, but not all cheating is NTR.

The fact is: no FMC+NTR will be better than an NTR with MC.
No, not fact. Subjective opinion.
 

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Pathetic. But pointless to argue. As it was aptly put, 'they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'. One more thing comes to mind - Goya's 'The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters'. Must be difficult to live devoid of logical capabilities -
That's true not many understand why netorare become so popular, not every game that have ntr tag have solid build up story, most of them are generic usually with cheap Stereotype BIG cock or need to be black, the usualy blackmail that police not exist in the game or magicaly love that include hypnotis, drug love or some power magic.

FMC + NTR is a niche, those who like this niche like it, those who don't will never like it.
The fact is: no FMC+NTR will be better than an NTR with MC.
The true is really rare...I didn't play it yet this type of game because most of them that have fmc + ntr is a fake ilusion.
For only fmc to have real netorare it's to reverse what mc have in Netorare...but it didn't feel the same..or atleast I didn't meet this type of game to see girl desperate that guy fuck other female.

Female protagonist games are definitely NTR.
The problem it doesn't "feel" NTR is because of (sadly) bad writing by many devs.
Many of these "FMC NTR" games should really be labeled corruption because the male partner is literally a footnote in those games.
In teory could be if we have male + netorare you can have a reverse situation on female...but most of the games focus fmc coruption not the fear that she can lose that guy....
Logically FMC+netorare need to focus on guy coruption but that feels wierd. :KEK:
 
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Glad that fmc ntr topic is solved. For now. See you again next week. Probably.

Anyway,as for the multiple bulls topic, I'm not a fan of it, but I dont mind it. I mostly lean on a single bull or in some cases, single bull per heroines. I also dont mind the choices of a Bull just likein Scars of Summer.
 

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Well, I haven't seen anyone talking about Deathable here, this game has an absurdly good BSS and NTR potential, including voeyur scenes with the mother and sis, it's very well polished and better than many AAA games, I recommend you give it a try!
That's really good recomandation have so much potential that game but only down side is that the update are so SLOW and on that version I don't recomand to play it yet unless you don't mind to wait what happen next that and also that we don't have any netorare action with sister and mother.
 
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The true is really rare...I didn't play it yet this type of game because most of them that have fmc + ntr is a fake ilusion.
For only fmc to have real netorare it's to reverse what mc have in Netorare...but it didn't feel the same..or atleast I didn't meet this type of game to see girl desperate that guy fuck other female.
I've played a bunch of them, a lot, even one of my first NTRs was an FMC which was Ema Milf Warrior, but even there the cuck had a presence and existed, now all those that are purely FMC I saw more as corruption or cheating than NTR, so I'm always surprised by these discussions involving Kubel being a masterpiece.

But we also have cases of MC NTR where the guy doesn't seem to exist and I didn't feel any empathy for him, like SOS or Shy Girl's Makeover. Apart from the jokes, it's really a matter of personal taste, I don't see it as NTR and I'm not going to consume it, but there are people who like it, including Kubel which sells very well on DL as well as Gyu's games, is it because of NTR or corruption? We don't know, but it's all personal.
 
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That's really good recomandation have so much potential that game but only down side is that the update are so SLOW and on that version I don't recomand to play it yet unless you don't mind to wait what happen next that and also that we don't have any netorare action with sister and mother.
Fuck, Eve kissing the MC's sister after a facial abuse with BBC was sensational, that's what makes western NTR unique.
The updates do seem slow, but that's to be expected from such a polished game with so many things planned, I personally prefer something simple with more frequent updates.
 
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cIoseopenbrutal

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In teory could be if we have male + netorare
Not in theory, fmc ntr is simply ntr. Read one of the main points of the person you're quoting below: (and as we've been saying for a while now, if you still cant comprehend what we're saying, then your loss, I guess)

Read this:
You don't need to self-insert into the FMC, you just need to enjoy the prospect of a loving couple getting broken apart. To engage in their feelings of anguish and despair.
 

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Didnt play the games, but I did watch the anime adaptation for a bit, then I dropped it after a few episodes. It's like a plain and simple adventure anime imo. Forgot if there's a love interest/romance on the story but im pretty sure there isnt.
 
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