Why does all the option have "into it" if your question has 'abuse' in it? Because for me, I enjoy it more if the FMC is not into it and is being forced in some way. Corruption being a part of it. It really won't be corruption if she is into it in the first place.
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I mean just how much abusing FMC impacts you as a player on the same level of consent.
IDK, most people even in ntr genre prefere more scenes than plot, aren't they?
I mean, as I understand that on basic level you don't want a whole book sized personality building for a girl whose main purpose is get dicked a lot in front of you.
Usually its enough to have just a small backstory like "she is your childhood friend, she likes outdoor walks and cinema, she might have harboured a crush for you"
guys how do i read this thread? is the front page last updated 2017 forreal or do newer games keep popping up there? i wanna see the top 10 ntr games up to date
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There needs to be at least some story to it, otherwise u could also just jerk off to images on rule34 imo. Character relations are important, this can be achieved not by a wall of text but key moments that exaggerate that (Boy Hero Ken is a good example, some routes of scars of summer too). Of course, that is just my opinion at the end of the day everyone has their own, but I feel like NTR just really starts to hit when character relations are established, otherwise it feels just like normal porn.
Well, I mean, if you are a gamedev, just follow the harem anime stereotypes.
No need to build overly intricate personality, just a couple of activities, a favourite place, job, and a previous connection to MC is enough.
If I'm understanding your question right, not really, personally. I mean, the exact method / style in which the guy works the girl over can obviously get into other kinks, and I have my own preferences on those, so they'll appeal to me more or less on that basis. But I don't feel like they directly impact how I feel about the NTR aspect of it.
The one thing I'll say there is I do feel like it can impact how much my suspension of disbelief needs to be pushed. Like, for example, if it's a more extreme result of a girl almost completely changing within a matter of days, it's easier for me to go "yeah sure that makes sense" if it was achieved by e.g. constant sexual orgasm torture / denial and forced mantras about her new role and pain when she expresses resistance, rather than just a good ol' hard dicking from some magically good cock.
Kinda related, jumping to the 'writing' discussion going on:
Yeah, I'm definitely with Knight here (and it seems like others as well). I've said this before, but a (the?) critical part of NTR to me is the girl being stolen, or in other words, the bonds of an existing relationship being at the very least warped, usually outright broken. You don't really get to appreciate that without having at least some understanding of what those bonds were like at the start. (Generalizing way out, this is because well-done contrast can make things incredibly erotic!)
Similarly, NTR doesn't *always* need to involve 'corruption' / a noticeable personality change in the girl, but it often does, and that too really requires having a baseline to contrast against.
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So, it doesn't correlate how much nasty things the antagonist subject the girl to?
I mean, its at least understandable that girl might switch MC to a better lover, but if she switches to a guy who take a morning piss down her gullet, isn't it multiplying the feeling of being NTRed?
So its like, for MC she was just a vanilla hand-holding GF but for a antagonist she is submissive cunt dripping masochist?
Not at all, I don't agree with this either. The NTR feeling ends when it pushes too far past the girl doing stuff she would've done for the MC but for another person. I really dislike anything that devolves into the antagonist sharing the girl around specifically because of this, there's no feeling of loss if she was fine with any of it and she wasn't who you thought she was. It just becomes normal porn at that point and there's much better porn of whatever extreme fetish you're into out there than in any NTR game.
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crnisl
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It doesn't work mechanically, I guess. A well described scene of kissing/groping by the bull might give much stronger NTR feeling than a scene of cute gf eating shit of another guy.
The relationship is built on love and trust. Netorare is anti-relationship - it’s about breaking that love, not just betraying the cuck, but also the girl herself. When she betrays the love she shares, she betrays her own heart. Describing or hinting at her feelings in this context is essential. If we're only talking about physical acts with no emotional connection to break any longer, then it's not NTR - it’s just a porn.
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That is exactly what I was trying to say earlier too. If you take an "NTR" scene out of context, remove the text and have only the antagonist and the woman fucking each other it might aswell be normal porn/hentai. Context and character interactions is what makes NTR truly NTR. If you build a strong foundation and the girl is very committed to the MC, even stuff like just simply looking at her ass/tits, dropping nasty comments or being touchy can have an incredibly erotic effect, because it is something that is unacceptable in the eyes of the viewer to be doing that with the love interest/wife of someone else. To me this is what draws me into NTR in the first place.
Really? I mean, in many ntr games the girl is not even in a real relationship with MC, he just "late" to express his feelings or stuff like that. Or its not even a potential girlfriend, like his mom and sis.
Obviously feelings are important to buld the connection that you as a dev a going to exploit, but its essentially how absolute most games conclude - the feelings girl have had for MC are gone\twisted. Well sometimes its no longer ntr but a cuck ending, were girl is romantically involved with MC but gets dicking from antag on a regular schedule.
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even if those are levels of intensity,
in how i view NTR, those are more like flavors.
different ntr enjoyers will favor sweet wife sex with bulls
others like brutal sex with bulls and have preference in opposite direction.
I don't see how that changes what I've said at all. BSS is its own separate thing but the same stuff applies even more. The MC has some idea of who the girl is because of how she presents and if she stays true to the idea in his head it makes sense that he'd feel loss because he didn't end up with her. If she ends up being a completely different person, why would he care?
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That's not much about what words were said between a girl and her beloved childhood-friend/son/brother. That's more about what she is.
There's a fitting quote from
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where MC's mother is getting gradually pressured by MC's friend.Another fitting quote from 3d-comics
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, where MC's mom is coerced by his classmates.From
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, where MC's mom is fucking with his bully who was beaten by MC, so that MC wouldn't get a criminal record.Do you feel the vibe?
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I feel like you're basically just describing the idea of corruption / 'slut-ification' -- the girl ending up into more things than she had been before, at least specifically with the guy stealing her if not in general -- just dialed up to the extreme. I certainly enjoy seeing that change being worked, but I don't feel like it being dialed up to be more and more extreme does much for me past a point.
Like, I feel like that's a big part of why these sort of stories tend to have the FMC be almost ridiculously 'pure' to start with, so that even with an end-point of a (relatively) tame "has a really big sex drive, constantly wants to be doing it with the bull", there's still a very stark contrast to where she started.
I agree with a lot of what you seem to be saying, but think I might have a slightly different take here. Strictly speaking, the way you phrase it, I do agree; if the girl was just hiding her 'true' nature all along, and jumped at the chance to act on it, then that's not NTR. It's like I said in some earlier post as to why I consider 'cheating' a different genre.
To me, though, what you get in a lot of NTR that hits this sort of thing isn't the reveal that the girl wasn't actually who she pretended to be; it's that who she is is *changed*, remolded, generally very much against her will (at least at the start). Taken to extremes, it basically ends up being a sort of 'death of self': despite the girl still being alive and well, the *person* she was can be irrevocably gone.
(As a side note, you see this sort of dynamic a ton in stuff that's more overtly within the 'brainwashing' type of genre, which honestly NTR shares more with in terms of vibes than I feel like some people would want to admit. From a rational / emotional point of view, it's incredibly fucked up and disturbing, but if it's done well, it can be intensely arousing at the same time; again, contrast!)
Are there any sandbox games with flash 2d style animations (like NTR Legend, ntraholic) from cuck pov?
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Apocalyptic fantasies appeal to us psychologically by allowing us to shed our burdens and experience a form of soul cleansing. A cathartic release.
The fascination with NTR shares a similar essence.
As you can see, empathizing with the woman who's getting destroyed is an important part of experiencing the netorare narrative.
In Jung's theory, anima is both a personal complex and an archetypal image of woman in the male psyche. The anima functions in a man as his soul, so to speak.
Shee was as light
As Mee, and was as bright;
But Shee was, strange to tell,
Hanging down
With starry crown
Into a bottomless well!
Her gleaming eyes
In great surprise
Looked up to the eye of Mee:
A marvellous thing
Head-down to swing
Above a starry sea!
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