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[skyblueaster]

Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.

 

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[Komdot]

Isn't Kubel FMC?

 

[kyotheman101]

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Holy shit, this is super hot! With this update, the game could easily become a top 3 female protagonist NTR game fr.

literally the last girl on the right is exact copy of Rem from Re:Zero, she just has dark hair

Oh nvm the update is cosplay, makes sense now

 

[Kudoko]

Well if u assume a game to be top 3 thn u are directly or indirectly comparing it to the current top 3, and for a lot, curse of kubel is top 3

Curse of Kubel is top 2 in my opinion, and yes, I was making an indirect comparison between them, with the shared point being that they're both female protagonist NTR games. But the other guy made it sound like I was directly comparing every single aspect of the two games. "It's not even in the same universe."? Sure, but so what? I can't compare Naruto to Bleach if they're not in the same universe? And that wasn’t even my point.

What are the other top 3 be then?
Personally on my list of best RPGM I only got Fallen Makina and Survival Mission Z on the same level as Kubel ...

At the risk of my non-existent reputation, I'm going to put out an opinion that will probably have 90 percent of people roast my ass.

NTR games with only one partner/bull are mid. Most of them end up sounding like the average female drama where another guy sweeps them off their feet with their money, looks, or status. Except you're in the position of the poor shmuck who watches it happen rather than the female lead who is portraying it as a fairy tale.

NTR with multiple partners is the true debauchery.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Except when you have just one bull the story is better, almost ALWAYS you got a WAY better story when you only have one bull ...

Isn't Kubel FMC?

Yes but from the plot you see why is considered a ntr game despite FeMC

 

[skyblueaster]

What are the other top 3 be then?
Personally on my list of best RPGM I only got Fallen Makina and Survival Mission Z on the same level as Kubel ...


Except when you have just one bull the story is better, almost ALWAYS you got a WAY better story when you only have one bull ...


Yes but from the plot you see why is considered a ntr game despite FeMC

Makina isn’t NTR. It's just corruption since the FMC isn’t in a relationship.
Survival Mission Z is pretty decent, though girl still falls way too fast like typical RPGM games. Like second or third scene she's already corrupted and liking it. *cries*
My definitions of NTR are pretty strict though. I don't even consider Scars of Summer a true NTR because nothing really feels "stolen." FMC doesn't show strong feelings for MC and the MC is sorta wishy-washy in his actions.

And yes, NTR stories are almost always better with less characters. Adding an extra character is a HUGE investment. For example, I'm still paying for the sins of adding Shiori (second FMC in my game). It takes up a LOT of voice lines, art, and resources to add her in without diminishing Akari's presence. But I love both FMCs, so…



But yeah, there are always people bitching not having enough characters. For example, I got complaints about using silhouettes instead of having drawn NPC sprites… like it doesn't cost me hundreds per character.

I promise you, if I get $5k/month, I will get hand-drawn NPC sprites hehe. But not when I’m barely staying afloat! T_T

 

[ddSOLDIER]

Makina isn’t NTR. It's just corruption since the FMC isn’t in a relationship.
Survival Mission Z is pretty decent, though girl still falls way too fast like typical RPGM games. Like second or third scene she's already corrupted and liking it. *cries*
My definitions of NTR are pretty strict though. I don't even consider Scars of Summer a true NTR because nothing really feels "stolen." FMC doesn't show strong feelings for MC and the MC is sorta wishy-washy in his actions.

And yes, NTR stories are almost always better with less characters. Adding an extra character is a HUGE investment. For example, I'm still paying for the sins of adding Shiori (second FMC in my game). It takes up a LOT of voice lines, art, and resources to add her in without diminishing Akari's presence. But I love both FMCs, so…

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But yeah, there are always people bitching not having enough characters. For example, I got complaints about using silhouettes instead of having drawn NPC sprites… like it doesn't cost me hundreds per character.

I promise you, if I get $5k/month, I will get hand-drawn NPC sprites hehe. But not when I’m barely staying afloat! T_T

Yes, scars of summer actually falls into BSS genre but that's still a sub category of NTR at the end of the day.

 

[Komdot]

I never played Kubel because of my bias towards NTR + FMC, I think only Kuripick did it well.
But I always see people with good taste speaking well of the game, and the artwork is phenomenal.

 

[Kudoko]

Makina isn’t NTR. It's just corruption since the FMC isn’t in a relationship.

Said nothing about NTR, i said RPGM and honestly to me if it's hot I don't care about what genre it falls on.
Since honestly Kubel is top 3 if we are talking about RPGM format ALONE.
If we are talking in "general" with no holds barred across all format then Kubel doesn't land anywhere near top 20, maybe not even top 30
On my profile i rank the games i play and complete. (Due to letter cap i ask that you don't reply under there)

Survival Mission Z is pretty decent, though girl still falls way too fast like typical RPGM games. Like second or third scene she's already corrupted and liking it. *cries*

on the netorase path yes.
on ntr path it takes a while, it's a slow burn on that path.

My definitions of NTR are pretty strict though. I don't even consider Scars of Summer a true NTR because nothing really feels "stolen." FMC doesn't show strong feelings for MC and the MC is sorta wishy-washy in his actions.

ehm absolutely no, maybe you don't remember the first game well. FeMC is shown to be completely head over hills towards MC, they are both in genuine love for each other but just no officially in a relationship. The appeal of that game is quite similar to Kubel actually (and i don't remember since it's been a while, but in Kubel too are they officially engaged or it's the exact same situation as in scars?)

 

[Komdot]

We need to talk about how Luxoria would be even more acclaimed if it had at least a 7 star artwork

 

[Round110]

"My.... will enter discussions for Top 10 greatest of all time"

From what s hole this people came from? Holy shit hahhahahha must be rage bait

Brother you are the only one rage baiting. What exactly about My… is so bad that you hate it so much? Its art is good, premise is unique, and has a load of content despite being less than 30% finished. What exactly is wrong with the game?

 

[2022meinfzone]

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Agree. But my reasons is I like gangbang content. The female characters have 2 holes (or 3 holes if you including the mouth) that can be used during the act, so 1 female character can potentially interact with 3 dicks or more.

Efficiency is the name of the game!

 

[PrivateEyes]

Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.

You also have to consider the average audience of NTR- Gooners. Most people want to fap without overthinking. Maybe some want spicy feelings accompanying the fap, but most aren't looking for some deep characterization or portrayal of NTR. For many, NTR is just another brand and/or fetish. No different from vanilla, tentacles, etc.

The rare few who do would just read an adult novel with adultery instead where story usually takes precedence over erotica.

The demands of modern H-gamers I'd argue have never changed. There are simply more of them. And the majority of those, just like any form of entertainment, primarily consist of casuals. Casuals not looking for mind-blowing or genre defining works that advance the medium, but "good enough" works that let them wank without much effort.

Devs aiming to make a game that fully takes advantage of the NTR genre will have to take solace with the fact that they are developing something for a niche audience of an already niche genre.

 

[Sieglinnde]

When you guys talk about Kubel I feel that I have played a version of Curse of Kubel different that you have played... I am not going to say it's a bad game or something since I am no one to say that and I don't like to criticize other works... But I will just say I didn't really liked Kubel and I really didn't feel the NTR in it (I didn't finished the game though)

 

[Sieglinnde]

We need to talk about how Luxoria would be even more acclaimed if it had at least a 7 star artwork

It was my favorite "NTR" game for a long time, it's sad that I didn't like Amor Magical Academy that much

 

[ZBYToshiro]

When you guys talk about Kubel I feel that I have played a version of Curse of Kubel different that you have played... I am not going to say it's a bad game or something since I am no one to say that and I don't like to criticize other works... But I will just say I didn't really liked Kubel and I really didn't feel the NTR in it (I didn't finished the game though)

When I first played Curse of Kubel, I approached it as just another typical corruption FMC game, and at the time, I didn't understand what made it special. However, replaying it two years later completely blew my mind. Curse of Kubel is a sandbox game that meticulously hones in on mechanics serving its core theme—which is why it initially feels more constrained and less free compared to a standard sanbox FMC game. But in reality, it executes nearly every mechanic it introduces flawlessly: the town's gossip about the female protagonist, the detailed corruption menu tracking her psychological shifts after each encounter with the villain, the dungeon harassment system that masterfully evokes that guilty yet thrilling tension in the player,.... Finally, in my opinion, this game did everything it needed to excel purely as an FMC NTR experience.

 

[Kulman]

At the risk of my non-existent reputation, I'm going to put out an opinion that will probably have 90 percent of people roast my ass.

NTR games with only one partner/bull are mid. Most of them end up sounding like the average female drama where another guy sweeps them off their feet with their money, looks, or status. Except you're in the position of the poor shmuck who watches it happen rather than the female lead who is portraying it as a fairy tale.

NTR with multiple partners is the true debauchery.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

I agree. A lot of people hate multiple corruptors, they sounds kinda like vanilla lovers in that regard. Its a tough battle trying to push for henteria chronicles to not have the heroines be spoken for with only their corruptors. Thats just not full corruption for me. But people get very defensive with that and I swear they sound just like the people that push against ntr at every step in these threads.

Vanillafags in disguise man.

For me its also all about the debauchery. Sometimes I wonder if Im just into corruption and ntr is just the genre that has the most abundancy of it.

 

[-FibaG-]

Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.

You can't compare apple with pears...I agree to disagree with you.
It's true that now this days we can't find to many good ntr.
But to call "The Curse of Kubel" that is only in fmc on of the best tier-top ntr it's insult to other good games.
In my opinion if you don't have MC you don't have NTR...It's just cheat on female perspective.
I really don't understand you guys.
I really hate only "pixel sex" type like NTR Legend, even if have best story ever in 2025 without any graphic it would be feeling incomplete.

Call me old man but the best ntr I ever played was the vn that was around 2008-2018...it was like a gold age from japan...now these days it's just shallows vn without any good developing between characters, no more drama, no more taboo.
Usually the best game from ntr is when have the more unacceptable situation from society the more intrigue to play the game...something new, unexpected or twist story...well pace storyline with slow-corruption let the story first catch you then bam tragedy happens.

Like the last game I played It was good feeling like other old vn and unexpected rpgm I was surprise to see how good is "Sanctuary of Promises and Contracts" first stage grown relationship between characters, second stage mystery ntr slowly the heroine get corruption without mc realised what happens and final stage unwrap the story & the outcome of the events...just a perfect game if the dev add voice in would be 10/10...It remind me of another masterpiece "Boku no Kanojo wa Gatenkei".

I wish the ntr genre have some solid story standard and not a just fuck mindless monkey characters...many recently ntr was mediocre and waste of time atleast the ntr tag on f95 it's awful as always reviews with 5/5 on shitty futa, gay, fmc ntr games.
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