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[LordFrz]

Putting NTR into the title when it's actually Netori is so scummy.

Because NTR is generally used for all types. Netorare wasnt always seperated into multiple types. Abriviations of netori and netorase have yet to catch on in most places.

 

[Zycr]

Both sides are making slop lol. DLsite is absolutely infested with AI nonsense, for example.
JP developers are generally more honest about disclosing AI usage (though DLsite making it mandatory also helps).
Steam and itch.io also require disclosure… but that seems to be ignored in many cases.
AI text usage should also be disclosed in addition to art, but this is rarely done.

Since F95 is a western site, obviously western slop will be more prominent. But Japanese do not have magically higher standards for games just because they act polite in public, lol. How many guys are playing freem (JP doujin site) games here? People do not comment on JP AI usage because they don’t visit JP sites.

It's been a while I didn't visit Dlsite with VPN but I remember like maybe 5-6 months ago dlsite main page when VPN set to japan was infested by AI works. Like every 3 works you would see one AI work, and not even like advanced AI but the AI that people used like 1-2 year ago where artstyle just screamed AI, it was atrocious. But now it's nice that AI works have it's own section at least.

 

[LordFrz]

X is about to make it so everyone can see the country of origin...will it be illuminating, or will vpn's just make more money?

Both, will, probably effect bot farms and meme accounts the most.

 

[iainmore]

X is about to make it so everyone can see the country of origin...will it be illuminating, or will vpn's just make more money?

I think you will see the Totalitarian Orwellian Censorship Mad Feminazi Brit Govt Banning VPN's. VPN's wont be making any money at all in UK.

 

[skyblueaster]

I'm saying it's third worlders making the slop not westerners. And it's not just in the gaming scene. Go on twitter it's full of third worlders trying to make 200bucks per month because for them it's more than they could make in a job. For someone living in the 1st world it's much more profitable to simply get a job.

I didn't mean it in the sense east Vs west. I'm saying the stuff that's in the so called western market is made by 3rd worlders. Making 100bucks would be one days work at minimum wage(approximately ) I couldn't make a playable game in 1 days work... meaning they probably spend more time than that even for the worst slop, I think

If you’re talking about the "west" as Western Europe and North America, then anime isn’t very popular there at all. The AI art proliferating in those regions would mostly be comics or game-based, which… gets DMCA'd a lot or simply banned from posting. You cannot post fanart of D×sney characters on deviantART, let alone AI-generated art of it. I mean you could, but it’ll get removed quick once the Big Mouse gets notice of it. There’s a reason crowdsourced games have no problems plagiarizing anime characters but not western ones. I mean, JP devs do takedowns all the time too, but they aren’t as omniprescent as the Big Mouse, for example. So unscrupulous devs can get away with copyright infringement a lot more. Like seriously, that Marin NTR game would never fly if it ripped from a western game. (Isn’t it also convenient that all his "future game suggestions" are from anime IPs and not western ones?)

Now, in other ”western” genres, such as realistic art or paintings, AI has absolutely ruined things. You can’t even have art competitions anymore because of the risk of awarding the prize to a cheating AI artist. Just look at what AI has done to photography. Absolute clown show.

3D art is also very popular in the west, but AI doesn’t need to make many inroads there because there are already many stock 3D models available for lazy devs to exploit. I’m sure we all know about the 3D Steam asset flips that existed before AI took off. There is no reason to go prompting when there is already a pre-made D×zed asset that’s "good enough."

I mean, there is AI 3D out there too, but it’s just horribly inefficient when you can just buy or steal a pre-made model and get unlimited posing options without needing to prompt or wait. Like if you are considering using 3D AI you probably don’t care about artist/IP rights in the first place, so it’s not much of a stretch to just steal assets from HS/Koikatsu, which many already do. All about doing more for less.

Since NTR is a hentai-term, and that many of us here are weebs, the JP/west divide is colloquially known as Japan vs the rest.
It’s true that a lot of AI NTR slop doesn’t come from the "west" proper, but that’s because "westerners" aren't even into anime in the first place. The majority of anime fans are from the Asian regions, or are Asians living in the west. So most content also comes from there as well.

Now, if you want to be honest, AI NTR isn’t coming from third-world regions either. Unless Nigeria, Bangladesh have a burgeoning AI game scene I haven’t heard of? Most NTR being made (AI and otherwise) still comes from Asian regions or Asians living in western regions. I will also include Eastern Europe in this umbrella, since it’s very close in proximity and influence.

 

[eaudecologne]

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It's a lot of words and it's way too offtopic to go deeper here so I'll be brief. If you don't think brown ppl are into anime, then you haven't been on Reddit or Twitter much. I won't list every third world country but I'll state the obvious they all have internet access nowadays and they're all consuming the same stuff we do.. I'm just saying it makes a whole lot more sense for third worlders to make slop for few hundred bucks a month than for westerners to spend time making less than min wage. Just to clarify, of course I agree there will be western ai creators too don't get me wrong but the most basic 0.1 carbon copy cash grab that we see flooding the updates, it's coming from somewhere else.

 

[skyblueaster]

It's a lot of words and it's way too offtopic to go deeper here so I'll be brief. If you don't think brown ppl are into anime, then you haven't been on Reddit or Twitter much. I won't list every third world country but I'll state the obvious they all have internet access nowadays and they're all consuming the same stuff we do.. I'm just saying it makes a whole lot more sense for third worlders to make slop for few hundred bucks a month than for westerners to spend time making less than min wage.

Well, you would have to clarify what ”brown people” and ”third world” means.
When you say third-world, I’m thinking poorer countries where making means is a struggle.
But I dislike using generalist terms like brown and third world in general.

Now, if you’re talking about countries like India, then I would say they aren’t into NTR relative to the population.
First of all, because many are strict-religious and sex is taboo there.
Have you talked to an Indian person? Their English is very different from those of the AI NTR games.
The English used in AI NTR games corresponds closer to Asian/East European than Indian or Pakistan, for example.

I can’t say much for the general anime scene, but the NTR anime scene. I don’t care about things that aren’t NTR.

It’s true that AI slop pays better if you’re in a poorer country with cheap cost-of-living, especially if you charge flat USD prices on all your games. But it’s still money for relatively little effort. You’re right that many westerners get paid enough to not need to resort to that.

But don’t forget that many normies are repulsed by NTR, and that you can make money with AI outside of NTR. And westerners do use lots of AI (see AAA companies), it’s just not focused on NTR specifically because it’s a hentai-related, niche genre at the end of the day.

Anyway, I think a lot of AI NTR comes more from wealthier “second-world regions” (hate that term) who are doing it for extra bucks than for a living. I think we may believe the same things, but your classification might be off. No one in Iraq is spamming those NTR games you see on F95, lol.

 

[eaudecologne]

Now, if you’re talking about countries like India, then I would say they aren’t into NTR relative to the population.

Okay, that doesn't matter though.

Have you talked to an Indian person? Their English is very different from those of the AI NTR games.

Not an argument either since they all won't speak the same.

I can’t say much for the general anime scene, but the NTR anime scene. I don’t care about things that aren’t NTR.

Okay, I'm simply saying anime or ntr aren't something underground. It's completely mainstream.
I don't see how any of this supports your argument. I'm not gonna pretend to have played every slop game to know if the slop is made in Russia or Pakistan it very well could be both. Plenty russian scammers here. Seems you're just upset I'm being mean to third worlders and brown people. I don't know how else to address this question, I'm not gonna go and name every 3rd world country by name to comply with good boy rules, I hope you can look past that.

 

[skyblueaster]

Okay, that doesn't matter though.

Not an argument either since they all won't speak the same.

Okay, I'm simply saying anime or ntr aren't something underground. It's completely mainstream.
I don't see how any of this supports your argument. I'm not gonna pretend to have played every slop game to know if the slop is made in Russia or Pakistan it very well could be both. Plenty russian scammers here. Seems you're just upset I'm being mean to third worlders and brown people. I don't know how else to address this question, I'm not gonna go and name every 3rd world country by name to comply with good boy rules, I hope you can look past that.

I agree that most AI-NTR doesn’t come from westerners geographically. But it’s actually from Asia/Eastern Europe and not the Indian subcontinent/Africa or the Middle East (which is what some people consider might consider "third-world"). That’s the point I wanted to clarify.

But yaa, probably enough of AI NTR talk, haha.
Guess I’ll write a review later for a NTR game I’ve been playing.

Both, will, probably effect bot farms and meme accounts the most.

I don’t think bot accounts will be affected since any semi-decent bot network will spoof location. We have bots for games that bypass regional blocks easily, so X shouldn’t be anything too different.

Meme accounts sure, since those are likely made by individuals who probably won’t pay for VPN.

It will be an amusing wakeup call when people realize their favorite Japanese artists… aren’t actually Japanese.

 

[eaudecologne]

I agree that most AI-NTR doesn’t come from westerners geographically. But it’s actually from Asia/Eastern Europe and not the Indian subcontinent/Africa or the Middle East (which is what some people consider might consider "third-world"). That’s the point I wanted to clarify.

Tomato-tomato I guess? Of course I could have gone and clarified meanings of third and second world and whatever... Idk I think my message wasn't too obfuscated when I said I don't think it's made by westerners in my first post. It's a broad term of course but that's the kind of world we live in rn

 

[LordFrz]

It's a lot of words and it's way too offtopic to go deeper here so I'll be brief. If you don't think brown ppl are into anime, then you haven't been on Reddit or Twitter much. I won't list every third world country but I'll state the obvious they all have internet access nowadays and they're all consuming the same stuff we do.. I'm just saying it makes a whole lot more sense for third worlders to make slop for few hundred bucks a month than for westerners to spend time making less than min wage. Just to clarify, of course I agree there will be western ai creators too don't get me wrong but the most basic 0.1 carbon copy cash grab that we see flooding the updates, it's coming from somewhere else.

You would be amased how many well off westerners try game making. AI is being used by everybody, thats why there is so much. Its not always a money angle, people want to make their dream game or get an ego boost. Poor regions already churn out slop mobile games, they are generally pretty good devs. Its the new amateurs who are dumping garbage on the market. And a lot of them are westerners.

 

[eaudecologne]

You would be amased how many well off westerners try game making. AI is being used by everybody, thats why there is so much. Its not always a money angle, people want to make their dream game or get an ego boost. Poor regions already churn out slop mobile games, they are generally pretty good devs. Its the new amateurs who are dumping garbage on the market. And a lot of them are westerners.

Depends on your definition of a lot. Westerners who can barely write english? I'll take your word for it I guess.

 

[Anonio333]

Hi. Looking for games with "not cheating" concept. I mean, female character (no matter, if it's MCs GF or wife or it's some side character fucking with MC or it's FMC) is sure or convinced that what she's doing is not cheating - but she's clearly cheating. Like "come on, just the tip is not cheating". Something like According to Sofia but with more content.

If it's just a small part of the game (side LI), please lemme know in spoiler who should I focus on.

 

[crnisl]

Hi. Looking for games with "not cheating" concept. I mean, female character (no matter, if it's MCs GF or wife or it's some side character fucking with MC or it's FMC) is sure or convinced that what she's doing is not cheating - but she's clearly cheating. Like "come on, just the tip is not cheating". Something like According to Sofia but with more content.

If it's just a small part of the game (side LI), please lemme know in spoiler who should I focus on.

• Sword Art Online is pretty much this, right?

 

[Anonio333]

Sword Art Online is pretty much this, right?

Idk, I'm not too familiar with netorare games, just skipped few for the scenes until now. It's just the "not cheating" idea that woke up my curiosity and other games I skipped plot were more like cheating girl was corrupted and thinking "omg what I am doing, I shouldn't be doing that, but it feels so good" during scene.

 

[Knight6797]

Imo a hot concept would be NTR after a glowup. Basically a story where FMC starts overweight or maybe wears wacky clothes and is shy but has a relationship with MC, after her glowup she gets lots of attention that she isn't used to and is corrupted by an antagonist that noticed it. Not sure how to describe it, something similar to Metamorphosis but less fucked up. I just love shy girls getting railed it's so hot.

 

[teaia]

Hi. Looking for games with "not cheating" concept. I mean, female character (no matter, if it's MCs GF or wife or it's some side character fucking with MC or it's FMC) is sure or convinced that what she's doing is not cheating - but she's clearly cheating. Like "come on, just the tip is not cheating". Something like According to Sofia but with more content.

If it's just a small part of the game (side LI), please lemme know in spoiler who should I focus on.

There's a scene near the beginning of TACOS where you can get her to start by "just his tip", like they keep inching towards full sex and it goes too far. I thought that was a very hot scene and a great way to start the NTR.

 

[gordon101]

Imo a hot concept would be NTR after a glowup. Basically a story where FMC starts overweight or maybe wears wacky clothes and is shy but has a relationship with MC, after her glowup she gets lots of attention that she isn't used to and is corrupted by an antagonist that noticed it. Not sure how to describe it, something similar to Metamorphosis but less fucked up. I just love shy girls getting railed it's so hot.

its always the quiet ones

 

[Ritona]

Fml, I looked at this and this character immediately hooked me. Really like the look of her.
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Then I checked dlsite... 3.36 rating.

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played this yesterday, writing wise its good especially if you like the fmc to not fall easily and very headstrong, but game wise its bad you can basically go to gallery and play this but there are 2/3 scenes that are better with context.What i can say tho it needs a proper translation first to fully enjoy and from the dev's ci-en theres more content to come too lol. And the bad rating is because the developer sold it with game breaking bugs that essentially full bricked the game progression with less content than promised (you're supposed to be able to call them when the girls are doing it and h-status tabs). And serum (the purple girl) to me is the best one in term of scenes.

 

[MilkEnjoyer123]

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