Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development

[Leonard75]

What's wrong with 'netorare' tag?

in Netorare tag on nhentai there are a lot of doujins about cheating. Cuckold is more specific. It will be better if they had also a "cuckold" tag

 

[Knight6797]

Cuckoldry is mostly tied to humiliation of the cuck "knowingly" letting his significant other getting fucked. It's like netorase with extra steps. Netorare is getting your significant other stolen while you are against it, whatever way that may be.

 

[skyblueaster]

According to Google, a cuckold is "a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, regarded as an object of derision."
The problem is the modern meaning has been bastardized to sometimes indicate a man who enjoys being cuckolded. Thus introducing netorase.

Netorare and cuckoldry, in their pure forms, are fairly similar in meaning.
But over time in popular culture, netorare has drifted to MC disliking it, and cuckoldry to MC liking it.

 

[kotfpp]

So I found yodayo/moescape recommended earlier in this thread and gave it a try this week. It was a fun way to kill some time, but I'm having so much trouble crafting a consistent loser persona.

If any of you are experienced with yodayo.com or moescape.ai, can you figure out why this awful fucking loser is still making girls cum on his tongue, before his cock that's the biggest they've ever felt stretches them out inch-by-inch??

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I have tried so fucking hard to make this persona suck; I've tried using different wording, different formatting, and VERY different levels of detail and repitition, but it just won't take. If I tell the bot to break character and describe the guy then the info matches what I wrote, so I KNOW the information is THERE. But the bot can't properly explain why it's contradicting itself. This persona is having this problem (to different degrees) when used with various characters in the tavern, regardless of whether or not the character's scenario was originally set up for the protagonist to be NTR'd.

Is the AI just that bad, or am I missing something here?

Edit: I've concluded that it probably is a matter of the free AI just being that bad, and I'm not invested enough to want to pay for their better ones. Bummer.

I've tried a bunch of different text roleplaying/writing assistance models in the past two years and paid ones are better than the free ones that float around they all have the same problems to varying degrees. Consistency is impossible, you have to go in and keep editing the story or contradictory information manually to try and keep it on track. It never reaches a point where you can just let it go because it can slip something random in at any time that will poison the rest of it if you miss it or get lazy. I've had problems with characters exactly like yours where I really want a certain character to have certain traits that I know the models can write about but I just can't find the magic word or phrase that it needs. It's too much work.

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

And here I thought it's just netorare, netorase and netori lol.

Cuckoldry is mostly tied to humiliation of the cuck "knowingly" letting his significant other getting fucked. It's like netorase with extra steps.

So, to some, 'cuckoldry' is about the cuck enjoying the humiliation aspects of cheating instead of only tame stuff? Like being degraded and such?

I still don't see why can't we keep it simple and call it netorase since it's consensual.

 

[jeprsonzn]

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Bueno, la nueva entrega de Avantgarde fue... entretenida como siempre. El dibujo es bueno, pero es un poco empalagosa. La corrupción escaló de forma interesante, pero tú, el protagonista, tenías que provocarla diciéndole a la protagonista que te engañará. Así que no es mi estilo, pero seguro que a alguien más le gustará.
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[jeprsonzn]

¿Tienes alguna partida guardada que esté completada al 100%?

 

[melantha]

Netorare and cuckoldry, in their pure forms, are fairly similar in meaning.
But over time in popular culture, netorare has drifted to MC disliking it, and cuckoldry to MC liking it.

in my mind cuckold is just the english for NTR

if we can break down netorare into netorase, netori, etc

then i also felt that cuckold also encompass all of its subgenres whether mc is aware/unaware, consenting or not

 

[Leonard75]

Usually (i said usually because it can have multiples kind of scenes...) in cuckold doujin there is a man who is in couple (or just love) a woman. But the woman (that why depend on the script) doing intercourse with another man (usually more stronger and with a bigger cock). Then the first man see that but instead of stopping them, he becomes arroused by that (arroused by seeing his wife or the woman he loves being fucked by someone else). So the first man become (or was already) submissive to the woman (and usually the woman is submissive to the stronger man)...

There are lot of different plots but i just try to explain a common one for better understanding

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

Usually (i said usually because it can have multiples kind of scenes...) in cuckold doujin there is a man who is in couple (or just love) a woman. But the woman (that why depend on the script) doing intercourse with another man (usually more stronger and with a bigger cock). Then the first man see that but instead of stopping them, he becomes arroused by that (arroused by seeing his wife or the woman he loves being fucked by someone else). So the first man become (or was already) submissive to the woman (and usually the woman is submissive to the stronger man)...

There are lot of different plots but i just try to explain a common one for better understanding

So kinda like netorare turns netorase?

 

[skyblueaster]

in my mind cuckold is just the english for NTR

if we can break down netorare into netorase, netori, etc

then i also felt that cuckold also encompass all of its subgenres whether mc is aware/unaware, consenting or not

I think cuckold can be broken down into different types, but netorare/netorase/netori are mutually exclusive by definition.
I love netorare but if I see netorase then I immediately Alt + F4 lol.

So kinda like netorare turns netorase?

NTR works can have the cuck eventually enjoy being cuckolded, but it always starts off with the bull initiating.
In netorase works, the cuck is trying to be cuckolded from day 1.

It's basically about intention. In netorare works the cuck doesn’t want to be cuckolded in the first place.
Because I seek depression in my stories, netorase never does it for me. Hard to feel pity for a man who gets his kicks from lending out his wife.

 

[Alter541]

Cuckoldry is not necessarily NTR.

Whether or not it is Netorare depends on how the plot unfolds.

Assuming the protagonist is male:
Netorare - Protagonist is cuckolded against their will
Netorase - Protagonist is cuckolded but approves of it or is fine with it, also called Hotwifing
Netori - Protagonist cuckolds others

Assuming the protagonist is female:
Netorare - Protagonist cheats on husband/boyfriend (Protagonist is a cuckoldress)
Netorase - Protagonist has sex with someone other than husband/boyfriend with their approval (Protagonist is a Hotwife)

There is also NTR BSS, where the crush has sex with someone other than the protagonist. Technically not cuckoldry since they're not together but the stories are otherwise similar and the crush and protagonist usually have feelings for each other.

NTR (Netorare) is a very specific kind of story while Cuckoldry is more broad story wise.

 

[Leonard75]

So kinda like netorare turns netorase?

Sorry, i just know netorare and cuckold. But i'm not familiar with the subdivisions of netorare.

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

Because I seek depression in my stories, netorase never does it for me.

I'm not much different, netorase is too light hearted for me. Even netorare can turn me off when cucks experience pleasure through sex.

Sorry, i just know netorare and cuckold. But i'm not familiar with the subdivisions of netorare.

In short netorase is a willing cuck who lets his girl fuck other men and netori is a bull protagonist.

 

[Gicoo]

 

[IceboundArt]

I prefer using the Japanese terms because the English terms are so far removed from their original definition it makes debating them almost pointless.

Depending on who you ask each one has a different meaning depending on where/when the person learned about them. It's made worse by porn sites using hotwife, cuckold, stag, swingers etc interchangeably with each other. The current discussion about what cuckold means is a perfect example of the problem.

While netorare, netorase and netori aren't perfect by any means and are still misused often (mostly this sites limited tag systems's fault). They're used far more consistently than the English terms and don't require digging into the devs/authors personal definition of what cuckold, hotwife, stag etc means.

Most of the debates around what netorare, netorase, netori mean only happen when people try and contrast them to English terms as well

 

[skyblueaster]

The Japanese terms are far more specific and should be the standard ones to use. The English terms are too general and muddled up now. New terms have not arisen to denote the subcategories of cuckoldry.

I have no idea what devs mean anymore when they say a game contains cuckoldry. Does that mean the MC enjoys it or…?

Tag it with netorare and I’ll understand the intention immediately.

 

[Gicoo]

Also, Netorare ignores gender. There is Reverse NTR, when the male is stolen from a seductive female, there even is Yuri NTR.

 

[AMoistLlama]

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[hoochimama]

I have no idea what devs mean anymore when they say a game contains cuckoldry. Does that mean the MC enjoys it or…?

Tag it with netorare and I’ll understand the intention immediately.

Exactly. Netorare/Netorase/Netori tags refer exclusively to the MC's point of view. Otherwise every game tagged netorare or netorase would also have to be tagged netori. Whereas tags like cheating etc aren't specific about which characters they refer to and their side in the dynamic.