Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development

[DicksInSpace]

• Relationship Basis: The term cheating applies specifically when there is a reciprocal romantc relationship between the original couple (A and B). Netorare is broader and can apply to non-romantic relationships, such as childhood friends, personal friends, classmates, or work colleagues.

Pretty sure they have a sub-genre called BSS (or if it's BBS?) for when there is no explicit romantic relation between the protagonist and the heroine.

 

[MorganFreemansToe]

Pretty sure they have a sub-genre called BSS (or if it's BBS?) for when there is no explicit romantic relation between the protagonist and the heroine.

Yeah it kinda means, "even though I loved you first" where its basically just a crush and they aren't dating. Becoming more common recently especially with japanese games.

 

[LordFrz]

Pretty sure they have a sub-genre called BSS (or if it's BBS?) for when there is no explicit romantic relation between the protagonist and the heroine.

Its BSS, a few games mislabeled it since they probably don't fully understand it and just wanted to use it for its popularity. lol

 

[Knight6797]

A lot of famous games are typically BSS, BSS is as hot as typical NTR if it's utilized correctly.

 

[Lupiscanis]

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A couple of disagreements :

1) I don't view Netorase as equivalent to Cuckolding as you assert, but this could be due to my belief that consent is a more important part of the description and I don't think a cuckold has any consent (I've never heard of (or seen) the 'Alpha Cuckold' variant that you discussed and the other three types are all implicitly non-consensual from the protagonist's pov in my opinion).

I view Netorase as much closer to swinging, although distinct - often Netorase involves non-partner groups, such as single person + couple, whereas swinging (in my mind) involves predominantly couples.

I think another major difference is that in my experience Cuckolds do not get any sexual interaction with their love interest (or if they do, it's highly limited and usually based around humiliation) - protagonists in Netorase stories however, do.

2) I think that Netorare has more variance but I'm also probably biased as I enjoy it more than the other two (Netori and Netorase). Netorare for me, although underpinned by the core concept of 'love interest being stolen', ranges from 'consensual on part of love interest' to 'blackmail' to 'pleasure seduction' etc. That might be mostly semantical however.

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Ultimately I think that trying to compare the terms is largely not helpful as they are distinct enough that they have their own niches (not that I mind having discussions around the topic).

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Slightly tangential, but as others have said, not including BSS is also I feel a shortcoming - BSS is my favourite 'subtype' and although technically not Netorare (since there's no actual involvement), I feel it makes for even more of an emotional humiliation experience than Netorare in cases (since the protagonist never even gets the love interest in the first place).

Yes it's not infidelity, but then, technically neither is Netorase in all cases (although it can transition to in some) and the concepts of humiliation are thematic.

 

[Yambidexter]

Netorare is broader and can apply to non-romantic relationships, such as childhood friends, personal friends, classmates, or work colleagues.

LMAO, at least the guy doesn't go as far as including pets here...

A good post overall, but this above and Netorare literally translates to "to be taken away" or "being snatched away" are quite obvious blunders, if you ask me. The former stems from the latter...

And term 'alpha-cuckold' kind of always makes me cringe... Though maybe it exists and used alright...

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And so the million bucks question - are FMC games where she bangs other dudes, even if there is some boyfriend or husband in the background too, cheating or netorare games?

Given first -

Netorare 'centers on the experience of a protagonist (Person A) whose romantic partner or love interest (Person B) is "stolen" by a third party (Person C). (note here discrepancy in the underlined part with the quote at the beginning of the post, by the way. So which one is it?)

The core emotional focus of a Netorare narrative is the internal emotional distress, trauma, and devastation of the protagonist. The story is about the pain and heartbreak of betrayal. From the protagonist's (A's) perspective, the act is entirely non-consensual or occurs without their knowledge.'

And second -

'Consent and Coercion: For an act to be considered cheating, the unfaithful partner (B) must consent to the act with the third party (C) without coercion. In netorare, partner B is often subjected to manipulation, blackmail, or force, and their consent is compromised.'

Without debating the points themselves, and let's say in two scenarios - one is consensual, and in other some form of mentioned coercion being used, say blackmail?

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P.S. As for netorase vs western cuckolding discussion and response - well, first of all it's good that it mentions willing cuckolding as analogue of netorase, so there is consent, so the response is kind of beyond me. Netorase is like a special case of western cuckolding - which can be quite varying in terms of degree humiliation included, cuck's interaction with his partner, cuck duties, bi stuff and all. Can be more or less consensual/reluctant too. Netorase is more like just letting your partner sleep around, getting reports and/or watching and participating somehow, no deliberate/great degree of humiliation included, consensual, is it? So - maybe the closest western term to netorase would be sharing then? Why is it often compared to cuckolding or translated as such in the internet? Isn't sharing a better match?

 

[Captain Oblivious]

Did you guys play https://f95zone.to/threads/cursed-forest-quest-v0-7-1-pray-for-fantasy-girls.241000/

It's one I ended up enjoying despite not being too into the artwork at first glance. Wish it was RPGM... although I admit I wish that of most Renpy games.

 

[zebucetiva]

Every time I tried to play Summer Stolen Paradise I remember why I never progress far in that game.
Come on, dev... my blood is rushing to my lower head, stop making minigames that require memory or math.
Nothing against those who like them, but I believe it would be more beneficial if they were optional.

 

[zmfinga]

Every time I tried to play Summer Stolen Paradise I remember why I never progress far in that game.
Come on, dev... my blood is rushing to my lower head, stop making minigames that require memory or math.
Nothing against those who like them, but I believe it would be more beneficial if they were optional.

If I'm not mistaken it is optional to play that Bakery minigame; you could progress through the game without even playing it. Personally I found it more enticing since it puts me even more on the edge trying to resolve the problem ASAP to see the scenes unfold, but after a few rounds you're able to know by heart just based on the picture and selection.

If you're super stuck, Zellemate made a very comprehensive guide on it (even the answers to the bakery minigame); the minigame is the most unique part of the route, but there's a boatload of good hidden NTR content available outside of it. Pixel and 2DCG. I referenced both Zellemate's Guide and 7RKGuy's on page 58 in that thread.

 

[Knight6797]

Every time I tried to play Summer Stolen Paradise I remember why I never progress far in that game.
Come on, dev... my blood is rushing to my lower head, stop making minigames that require memory or math.
Nothing against those who like them, but I believe it would be more beneficial if they were optional.

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[Oommpphhoo]

Guys do you have the Juuj Town [v0.5.3] [Juujia] full save if anyone have can you please give it to me it will be big help please

 

[Lupiscanis]

And so the million bucks question - are FMC games where she bangs other dudes, even if there is some boyfriend or husband in the background too, cheating or netorare games?

In my opinion - cheating yes, Netorare no. Not unless the situation is explored from the partner's perspective as well. I do think games that (hypothetically as I can't think of any off the top of my head) that have a FMC that has a love interest stolen are are netorare however, although I'm sure some purists believe it's male protagonist only.

 

[FAPANAUT]

A couple of disagreements :

1) I don't view Netorase as equivalent to Cuckolding as you assert, but this could be due to my belief that consent is a more important part of the description and I don't think a cuckold has any consent (I've never heard of (or seen) the 'Alpha Cuckold' variant that you discussed and the other three types are all implicitly non-consensual from the protagonist's pov in my opinion).

I view Netorase as much closer to swinging, although distinct - often Netorase involves non-partner groups, such as single person + couple, whereas swinging (in my mind) involves predominantly couples.

I think another major difference is that in my experience Cuckolds do not get any sexual interaction with their love interest (or if they do, it's highly limited and usually based around humiliation) - protagonists in Netorase stories however, do.

2) I think that Netorare has more variance but I'm also probably biased as I enjoy it more than the other two (Netori and Netorase). Netorare for me, although underpinned by the core concept of 'love interest being stolen', ranges from 'consensual on part of love interest' to 'blackmail' to 'pleasure seduction' etc. That might be mostly semantical however.

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Ultimately I think that trying to compare the terms is largely not helpful as they are distinct enough that they have their own niches (not that I mind having discussions around the topic).

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Slightly tangential, but as others have said, not including BSS is also I feel a shortcoming - BSS is my favourite 'subtype' and although technically not Netorare (since there's no actual involvement), I feel it makes for even more of an emotional humiliation experience than Netorare in cases (since the protagonist never even gets the love interest in the first place).

Yes it's not infidelity, but then, technically neither is Netorase in all cases (although it can transition to in some) and the concepts of humiliation are thematic.

As a response to you counterpoint on Cuckolding and Netorase, you are correct, they are not equivalent...they are closely aligned.

All said part of the issue, which people have, on occasion pointed out, is that we are dealing with two very distinct cultural perspectives so when people typically try to make direct comparisons based on their own personal perspectives, likes/dislikes, etc. it muddies the waters and there is no objective definition.

One of the several reasons I started researching and putting this together was the too narrow "NTR" nomenclature which has been used for far too long in an attempt to encompass every aspect of the kink/genre and that is just an oversimplification and willful ignorance.

Of course, quite a bit of this stems from the "anti-NTR" crowd that has the least amount of knowledge on this subject yet seems to have the loudest voice....like a donkey braying in your ear

Thank you very much for your thoughtful response, I appreciate the feedback!

 

[Lupiscanis]

Of course, quite a bit of this stems from the "anti-NTR" crowd that has the least amount of knowledge on this subject yet seems to have the loudest voice....like a donkey braying in your ear

Unfortunately, a lot of the hate is just about moral disgust or kink shaming. I've seen people object to NTR and say <insert kink here> is fine in the same breath and while I'm not going to argue that any kink is morally superior to any other kink, I don't think you get to judge one thing but accept another (outside of things that are very clearly illegal, at least).

Outside of that, there's a small caveat and that is people who disagree based on the fact that the site's definition of netorare (even once it gets adjusted with the tag update) is very different from a lot of people's definition of netorare and that's what we have to deal with on the site.

 

[boulbi78]

Every time I tried to play Summer Stolen Paradise I remember why I never progress far in that game.
Come on, dev... my blood is rushing to my lower head, stop making minigames that require memory or math.
Nothing against those who like them, but I believe it would be more beneficial if they were optional.

Someone shared a guide and also every solutions for the bakery minigame event :
https://f95zone.to/threads/summer-stolen-paradise-v0-30-02-public-7rkstudio.204942/post-17531766

 

[nhami]

I posted this in the NTR Girlfriend Fullstack thread, and felt as though it would reach a broader critically-minded audience here.

There are still significant misconceptions about the genre, and I have been working on this for some time. If you disagree, by all means provide your own research as a counter point.

A Definitive Guide to Infidelity Tropes: Netorare, Netorase, Netori, Cuckold, and Cuckqueen

1.0 Introduction: Deconstructing a Complex Lexicon

Terms like Cuckold, Netorare, and their variants, originating from distinct Western and Japanese cultural contexts, are frequently misunderstood and conflated. This complex lexicon describes a range of sexual dynamics and media genres centered on infidelity, yet the specific nuances are often lost in casual discussion. This guide provides clear, source-grounded definitions to delineate the specific perspectives, power dynamics, and emotional focuses of each term, bringing clarity to a subject rife with confusion.

The analysis will begin with foundational Western concepts that have evolved from literary archetypes into modern fetish subcultures. It will then shift to the highly specific Japanese genre terminology, which is primarily distinguished by narrative point of view. Finally, the guide will culminate in a direct comparative analysis to crystallize all distinctions and clarify the overlaps between these concepts.

2.0 Foundational Western Concepts: The Cuckold and Cuckqueen Archetypes

Understanding the Western terms 'Cuckold' and 'Cuckqueen' is strategically important, as they provide essential context for the broader field of infidelity-related fetishes. These archetypes possess a long literary history and have evolved into specific modern subcultures, primarily within the BDSM scene. Examining their definitions and dynamics establishes a baseline of willing participation and fetishistic pleasure that contrasts sharply with some of the Japanese concepts that follow.

2.1 Cuckold: From Ridicule to Fetish

The term 'cuckold' carries both a traditional, pejorative definition and a modern, consensual one rooted in fetishism.

Historically, a cuckold is the husband of an unfaithful wife. The term first appeared in 13th-century literature and was derived from the cuckoo bird, known for laying its eggs in other birds' nests. In this context, the husband is deceived and becomes an object of public mockery and ridicule.

In its contemporary fetishistic sense, a cuckold is a husband who not only consents to but also watches his wife engage in sexual activities with another man, often deriving pleasure from the act. This dynamic is a distinct subset of the BDSM scene and differs from a threesome because the husband does not physically participate in the sexual act. The practice manifests in several key dynamics:

• Submissive: In this scenario, the husband agrees to the act from a position of submission, acknowledging that he cannot provide adequate sexual satisfaction for his wife—it might be because of a small penis or the habit of pre-ejaculation. He consents to her seeking pleasure from a more capable man.
• Dominant: Termed an "alpha cuckold," this dynamic places the husband in a position of control. He orchestrates his wife's sexual encounters with others for his own pleasure. Alternatively, this can be part of a broader BDSM act where he watches her enjoyment specifically to punish her afterward.
• Masochistic: The core fetishistic element here is mental humiliation. The husband enjoys the degradation, demeaning activities, and the feeling of being left out. The psychological experience of his wife being with another man is the primary source of pleasure.
• Voyeuristic: Cuckolding is a form of voyeurism, which is the act of gaining sexual pleasure from watching others engage in sexual activity. However, it operates under the strict rule of consent from all three individuals involved, distinguishing it from illegal, non-consensual voyeurism.

A critical rule defines the boundaries of this fetish: if the husband is forced to watch against his will or participates sexually in any way, the act is not considered cuckolding.

2.2 Cuckqueen: The Female Counterpart

A 'Cuckqueen' is the female equivalent of a cuckold. She is a woman who derives sexual pleasure from watching her husband or male partner engage in sexual activity with another woman. This practice has its own associated terminology within its subculture:

• Hothusband: The male partner of the cuckqueen.
• Cuckcake: The other woman involved in the sexual act.
• Hothusbanding: An alternative term used to describe the practice of cuckqueaning.

In cuckqueaning scenarios, the male partner often assumes a sexually dominant role while the cuckqueen is submissive. The wife usually only becomes involved with the man or his lover(s) when he permits it—sometimes remaining altogether celibate. The specifics of the fetish can vary widely, ranging from loving, consensual acts akin to swinging to scenarios that intentionally involve the humiliation and debasement of the cuckqueen for the pleasure of the participants.

These Western concepts, rooted in willing participation and shared fetish, provide a crucial foundation before exploring the more complex, perspective-driven terminology from Japan.

3.0 The Japanese "NTR" Family: A Matter of Perspective

The Japanese terms Netorare, Netori, and Netorase are genres commonly found in anime and manga that explore infidelity from highly specific viewpoints. Unlike their Western counterparts, the primary distinction between them lies in the narrative point of view—whether the story is told from the perspective of the one being betrayed, the one doing the stealing, or the one willingly giving their partner away. This focus on perspective, coupled with varying dynamics of consent, makes them precise and nuanced categories. The abbreviation NTR, widely used in fan communities, is short for Netorare, and has been bastardized in some communities of fetish and kink discussion to become the overarching term for all forms of the fetish.

3.1 Netorare (寝取られ): The Perspective of the Betrayed

Netorare literally translates to "to be taken away" or "being snatched away." This genre centers on the experience of a protagonist (Person A) whose romantic partner or love interest (Person B) is "stolen" by a third party (Person C).

The core emotional focus of a Netorare narrative is the internal emotional distress, trauma, and devastation of the protagonist. The story is about the pain and heartbreak of betrayal. From the protagonist's (A's) perspective, the act is entirely non-consensual or occurs without their knowledge. Furthermore, the partner being taken (B), by the third party (Person C), is often subjected to non-consensual acts involving coercion, deceit, manipulation, blackmail, drugging, or force. While they may eventually give in or even come to prefer the third party (C), the act is still a violation of the partner (B), which in turn causes the emotional turmoil for the protagonist (A).

It is important to note that without first hand knowledge or knowledge after the fact of the acts being committed there cannot be, by omission of said knowledge, any emotional turmoil for the protagonist. That is, the protagonist must, at some point discover their romantic partner or love interest (B) has been unfaithful, else they remain blissfully ignorant.

3.2 Netori (寝取り): The Perspective of the Stealer

Netori is derived from the active verb netoru, meaning "to take." In this genre, the narrative perspective shifts to the "stealer" or "homewrecker."

The protagonist of a Netori story is the third party (Person C) who actively works to seduce, manipulate, or force someone else's partner (Person B) into a physical relationship. The central plot dynamic is one of conquest. To provide justification for the protagonist's actions, the original partner (Person A) is often characterized negatively—portrayed as an abuser, a cheater themselves, or otherwise unable to satisfy their partner.

3.3 Netorase (寝取らせ): The Perspective of the Giver

The term Netorase originates from the causative form of the verb, meaning "to let or cause someone to take." This genre aligns closely with the Western cuckold fetish.

The protagonist (Person A) in a Netorase story is a willing participant who actively enjoys, encourages, or even orchestrates their partner (Person B) having sex with a third party (Person C). This is the Japanese media genre equivalent of the willing cuckold or cuckqueen fetish, where the original partner gives their informed consent and derives pleasure from the act.

Having defined these terms individually, a direct comparison is necessary to fully crystallize their distinctions.

4.0 Comparative Analysis: Distinguishing Key Nuances

This section synthesizes the previous definitions into a clear, at-a-glance comparison. Understanding the axes of narrative perspective, consent of the original partner, and primary narrative focus is crucial to differentiating these often-confused terms.

4.1 Comparative Framework

Core Differentiators

Term​	Narrative Perspective​	Consent of Original Partner (A)​	Primary Narrative Focus​
Netorare	The Betrayed (Person A)	No consent / Unaware​	Focus on the protagonist's (A's) emotional trauma, humiliation, and devastation as their partner (B) is stolen by a third party (C).​
Netori	The Stealer (Person C)	N/A (Protagonist is the stealer)​	Conquest, seduction, or manipulation of another's partner.​
Netorase	The Giver (Person A)	Full, willing consent​	Shared fetishistic pleasure, humiliation, or voyeurism.​
Cuckold/Cuckqueen	The Giver (Person A)	Full, willing consent​	Shared fetishistic pleasure, humiliation, or voyeurism.​

While the table provides a clear framework, certain concepts warrant a more direct comparison to address common points of confusion.

4.2 Distinctions and Overlaps

Netorare vs. Cheating

Although related, netorare and cheating are distinct concepts defined by specific criteria:

• Relationship Basis: The term cheating applies specifically when there is a reciprocal romantic relationship between the original couple (A and B). Netorare is broader and can apply to non-romantic relationships, such as childhood friends, personal friends, classmates, or work colleagues.
• Consent and Coercion: For an act to be considered cheating, the unfaithful partner (B) must consent to the act with the third party (C) without coercion. In netorare, partner B is often subjected to manipulation, blackmail, or force, and their consent is compromised.
• Narrative Focus: A story about cheating may focus on any character, but a netorare story specifically centers on the emotional trauma experienced by Person A. A key requirement is that the partner (B) being taken away from Person A must be a notable character the story.

Netorase vs. Cuckolding and Swinging

These terms describe similar consensual dynamics but differ in their origin and scope:

• Genre vs. Fetish: Netorase is a Japanese media genre term, while cuckolding is the Western term for the corresponding sexual fetish and practice. They essentially describe the same dynamic of a partner willingly watching or arranging for their significant other to have sex with someone else.
• Overlap with Swinging: Both netorase and cuckolding can be categorized under the broader umbrella of swinging under specific conditions: there must be a reciprocal romantic relationship between the original couple (A and B), and the partner (B) must consent to the activity without coercion.

5.0 Conclusion: A Summary of Distinctions

The lexicon surrounding infidelity tropes is nuanced, but a clear framework makes it decipherable. The fundamental differences between Western terms like Cuckold/Cuckqueen and the Japanese NTR family (Netorare, Netori, Netorase) lie in three key areas: the narrative point of view (betrayed, stealer, or giver), the status of consent among the original partners, and the central emotional theme of the story, whether it is trauma, conquest, or shared pleasure. By understanding these core differentiators, one can navigate this complex terminology with accuracy and clarity, appreciating the precise dynamics each term is meant to convey.

NOTE: In the instance of a story narrative, the reader enjoys the advantage of Dramatic Irony which can often blur the perceptions of what is intended by the author due to self-insertion or misconceptions about the Netorare fetish.

Forgive me for disagreeing with you but cuckold is just cheating with a focus on humiliation.
A netorare genre story core excitement and central goal is the heroine leaving the MC for a antagonist that is better at sex. All netorare subgenres are a variation of this.
In the case of cheating, the heroine beatrays the MC but still remains with the MC at the end.
In the netorase subgenre the MC shares heroine with the antagonist but, instead of coming back to the MC, she leaves the MC for the antagonist in the end.

I think you are confusing a story with a story genre.
A story is just collection of tropes that the author chooses. A genre is collection of tropes that became popular.
Often stories have the same genre trope but changes one or two tropes to not remain stale.
For example, you can have stories with netorare genre structure where at the last minute the heroine decides to come back to the MC.
You can have infamous bait-and-switch where a vanilla romance becomes netorare or a vanilla swining becomes netorase.
These are more subversion of the genre because they use a genre structure to tell another genre story.

 

[Lupiscanis]

In the netorase subgenre the MC shares heroine with the antagonist but, instead of coming back to the MC, she leaves the MC for the antagonist in the end.

I don't think the last part of this is accurate. Not all Netorase results in the partner leaving the protagonist (yes, you can absolutely get games that are Netorase into Netorare, but that is not every Netorase game in my experience).

Moreover, saying

I think you are confusing a story with a story genre.

but dictating your terms by outcomes is, at the very least, a weak argument in my opinion.

*edit* - typo

 

[BraveOrakio]

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By the way what do you guys think of this game? Its basically an action RPG but the mechanics make it out to be that the more you level up, the more the female MC gets corrupted, i.e. your taking too much time. Your basically trying to minimize leveling up so you can avoid the FeMC getting NTR'd /Corrupted.

I think its pretty good for those who want the NTR avoidance to be difficult since you have to gimp yourself on purpose.

I also played his other game the item shop where you play the FeMC but its also a game where you have to optimize your playthrough to avoid getting raped by the landlord/monsters.

 

[Gicoo]

Yay, another NTR discussion.

NTR doesn't even need physical betrayal, its just the (perceived!) stealing of affection. Regardless of if its actually stolen or remains stolen. That's why its not always cheating. If the bull rapes the girl in front of the cuck, its NTR, even if afterwards he gets arrested and the girl and cuck stay together. The cuck was ntrd during the rape.

There are works where the girl fucks the bull and the cuck is almost never onscreen and unaware, yet WE observe the betrayal. In one work, the husband just asks his wife if he gave her the best sex and then we get a flashback of her getting wildly fucked in the past and at the end we return to the present and she lies with "yes". No technical betrayal, they presumably live happily ever after, but we get the "betrayal".
In other works the cuck and girl aren't even together, he just likes to and plans to confess to her. Incoming the bull who fucks her and she accepts him and never finds out the cuck loved her. Still, the feeling of her getting stolen is felt.

In summary, NTR always has the perception of undeserved affection and that the cuck is supposed to win by normal standards which got reverted.

 

[Fzeren]

Hello! Does anybody know if one of these types of ntr has a term? Any recommendations?

Type 1: Dudes girlfriend gets taken by another woman.
Type 2: Dudes girlfriend gets taken by another man, who then does gay (less than consensual?) stuff with the dude.