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Not fully what I meant. Let me explain myself somewhat. In the NTR path itself, why it doesn't feel like NTR (To me, specifically)? Because I feel nothing for their so called 'relationship', it's pretty much already dead by the 4th chapter. In theory they are both cheating and such (emotional cheating is as much cheating as physical is), thus to me the relationship is done already. And I feel nothing for it. Of course as you said, you will expand on it and all that but my gripe isn't with that part of the game anyway. So I imagine it getting better, for other NTR fans.

Now, the NTS part and why I said it felt more NTR-ish. Because not only does it all happen so fast, it's also toxic and unhealthy in every way imaginable. When I read through it, and then reread through it because I couldn't believe what I read the first time. The impression I was left with was this:

Vi who got the very first bit of approval from her boyfriend to have 'fun' and mess around, just took it and ran with it, nay, flew a rocket and nosedived through the stratosphere.

You can argue semantics, but it all, more or less, happened behind the boyfriend's back. In my opinion the boyfriend should still be respected even if he is a so called 'cuck'. As it's still a relationship at the end of the day. But that just isn't the case in this NTS route.
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I don't really care much for stag, humilation, neutral, etc sub-routes and such. But if it's a consenting share of a partner, then it should actually be a 'consenting' share, not: I did it, so you just have to live with it, and you can do it since you're a cuck, no biggie, right?
I’m pretty sure MC gives Vi the consent to play around right? She first asks him if he’s comfortable if James comes in, if you say no, James goes home and nothing happens. MC HAS to give his consent for Vi to being fooling around with other people.
I do understand your gripe for the NTR route, but you can still choose dialogues to make MC indifferent towards Claire’s advances. It’s more to show Claire’s desire for dominance and feel superior to the men she’s with, however you can see that starting to change in the last scene of hers where she’s the one starting to be dominated, the story will expand on that. Emotional cheating is kinda borderline with the other dialogue options only because I wanted to leave the door open for a possible revenge route later on. As it stands MC is deeply in love with Vi and vi loves MC in the NTR Route. Thanks for commenting!
 
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i’m a bit confused...
where did the scene go where she sits on top of him and makes out with James in the car after the cosplay party? ntr nts both „choices“ nothing more…

the more updates there are, the less happens.ntr or nts nothing new from our girlfriend.
only with this annoying blonde colleague...hmmm

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You get the car scene by following the NTS route and NEVER picking an NTR option I believe. You also can choose NTS chapter 4 from the chapter selection and just go from there.
Dang, I’m sorry to hear you think Claire is annoying. Can you expand on that? What do you not like specifically? Thanks!
 

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Unfortunately those are all things that might push the other partner to cheat. I will say that MC’s health issue is NOT going to last forever nor be the sole reason for driving the NTR, it’s going to be a combination of many things. It’s very hard to just have a perfect relationship devolve into NTR without making your FMC seem like a total slut/villain.
Mind you, having FMC cheat simply because there's something lacking about MC's dick or his performance in bed (especially when it's something brief and temporary) does nothing to avoid making FMC look like you describe.

Like you say, it doesn't make much sense for a person to cheat in "perfect relationship" but there're many potential issues about relationship which can make it far from perfect and which have nothing to do with dick fixation.

This is also why the common approach in these games that's the author trying to push the idea how "oh MC and FMC actually love each other very much" tends to fall flat on its face as unbelievable. Because the relationship in reality is evidently deeply troubled if one or both partners look to find what they're missing in it elsewhere, especially when it's behind the other person's back.
 
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Mind you, having FMC cheat simply because there's something lacking about MC's dick or his performance in bed (especially when it's something brief and temporary) does nothing to avoid making FMC look like you describe.

Like you say, it doesn't make much sense for a person to cheat in "perfect relationship" but there're many potential issues about relationship which can make it far from perfect and which have nothing to do with dick fixation.

This is also why the common approach in these games that's the author trying to push the idea how "oh MC and FMC actually love each other very much" tends to fall flat on its face as unbelievable. Because the relationship in reality is evidently deeply troubled if one or both partners look to find what they're missing in it elsewhere, especially when it's behind the other person's back.
So far FMC has shown no signs of cheating as a result of MC's current issues. She is however getting slightly frustrated at his lack of confidence and constant anxiety about James, which whom to this point in the NTR route, nothing has happened. He does have some health issues, I won't deny that, but they are a minor impact on the story at the moment. It's more to get him to have to go to the gym with James (which we will highlight next chapter) as well as be unable to compete in Field Day and thus have to be the photographer. I promise you his health issues are not going to be the main reasons that drive this story forward. There is going to be an actual plot...

Also, with regard to the emotional cheating. There are choices for the MC to remain indifferent to Claire's teasing. Where he continually presses that he loves Vi and won't do anything to risk it. Claire continues to just press the situation but MC can remain loyal and strong.

Please keep commenting though, I love talking about the game with people! Thank you so much for playing.
 
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Am I the only one who is almost as excited for the coworker content?
The blonde gwenn-copy is really hot. Its not often that I prefer the MC-cheating content over the FMC-NTR content, but in this case Im more excited for it (and that is not because the FMC content is bad, quite the opposite actually).

Also that new banner slickr4..... where did you get these new animations from? :love:
 

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Am I the only one who is almost as excited for the coworker content?
The blonde gwenn-copy is really hot. Its not often that I prefer the MC-cheating content over the FMC-NTR content, but in this case Im more excited for it (and that is not because the FMC content is bad, quite the opposite actually).

Also that new banner slickr4..... where did you get these new animations from? :love:
These are our fan signatures! I will put them at the end of my post for you to copy. Dude, I am a total Vi nut, but writing Claire this update has been so fun and sexy. She's definitely going to be a wild card moving forward and a character that gets a lot of screen time. Her story WILL be expanded on. There's much more to this girl than just a sexy man-eater...I think you'll love it. Thank you so much for playing! Feel free to join the discord to talk to us one of us is almost always around!!

Now for the fan sigs, all you have to do is "COPY LINK" then paste these into your signature in your profile page.

 
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These are our fan signatures! I will put them at the end of my post for you to copy. Dude, I am a total Vi nut, but writing Claire this update has been so fun and sexy. She's definitely going to be a wild card moving forward and a character that gets a lot of screen time. Her story WILL be expanded on. There's much more to this girl than just a sexy man-eater...I think you'll love it. Thank you so much for playing! Feel free to join the discord to talk to us one of us is almost always around!!

Now for the fan sigs, all you have to do is "COPY LINK" then paste these into your signature in your profile page.

For sure.
She doesnt seem to be written like a man-eater to me.
Promiscuous? For sure. But she seems very into MC imo and I think she is using that man-eater aura to hide that. I could be wrong tho.
 

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For sure.
She doesnt seem to be written like a man-eater to me.
Promiscuous? For sure. But she seems very into MC imo and I think she is using that man-eater aura to hide that. I could be wrong tho.
She is certainly into MC...but in the NTR route she's certainly more outgoing when it comes to other men...she teases MC because at the moment he's unable to act on his desire (IF YOU CHOOSE THAT, HE CAN ALSO REMAIN COMPLETELY FAITHFUL TO HIS GF). Have you played the newest chapters? What part are you on?
 

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How long is this game? I wanna ask if it's worth it to play now? Ofc I don't wanna waste 15-30mins of gameplay
So there are 3 chapters that are neutral...then 2 more chapters on the NTS route and 3 additional chapters on the NTR route. So if you play ALL routes it could potentially take an hour maybe more of your time to read the text and watch the videos. It's not going to eat up a ton of your time...
 

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Sorry but i must have missed something. Why is the blonde co worker sending MC full nudes and masturbation videos ? And why are we getting scenes with her and not the GF ? I though the story is about GF cheating on her boyfriend with or without his knowledge depending on choice but right now it just looks that MC is cheating on his GF with the Blonde if that'S the direction that please be upfront about this so we can make informed decision wether to waste our time with this game or not
 

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I’m pretty sure MC gives Vi the consent to play around right? She first asks him if he’s comfortable if James comes in, if you say no, James goes home and nothing happens. MC HAS to give his consent for Vi to being fooling around with other people.
I do understand your gripe for the NTR route, but you can still choose dialogues to make MC indifferent towards Claire’s advances. It’s more to show Claire’s desire for dominance and feel superior to the men she’s with, however you can see that starting to change in the last scene of hers where she’s the one starting to be dominated, the story will expand on that. Emotional cheating is kinda borderline with the other dialogue options only because I wanted to leave the door open for a possible revenge route later on. As it stands MC is deeply in love with Vi and vi loves MC in the NTR Route. Thanks for commenting!
Permission for Netorase (NTS) is not carte blanche. The difference between NTR (Netorare), which is commonly, and mistakenly, used as the overarching term for all things Netorare, Netorase, Netori, and every nuanced variation in between, and NTS, is that one (NTS) has a mutual, consensual, trust-based relationship between two partners, wherein there is consistent communication about and specific boundaries around what is allowed, and the other (NTR) has the elements of deception and non-consensual infidelity. The outcome for both is emotional turmoil and physical arousal by one partner having their significant other shared out or "taken" by someone else. Part of the problem arises when we, as readers, conflate the Dramatic Irony we enjoy as part of the story with the idea that the protagonist in the story also enjoys the same knowledge we do. In other words, with Netorase (NTS) the protagonaist is an active and mutual participant in shring their significant other AND has explicit knowledge of all encounters, before, during, and/or immediately after. While with Netorare (NTR), the protagonist may only have suspicion or find out some details well after the fact which leads to the darker emotional turmoil and arousal. Whether the two people love each other may not be in question with NTR, neither is it necessarily pertinent to the progression of a Netorare story arc, whereas with Netorase love is not only necessary it is the foundation of the relationship and the very reason consent, communication, and first hand knowledge is necessary as a difference.

If you prefer a simpler, less informed understanding of the differences between Netorare and Netorase, then stop reading here...

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...If you want a lengthy, in-depth, analysis of the genre and kink referred to as 'NTR' (See the following, section 3.0), then here is the research I have been working on. If you disagree with any of it, feel free to provide your own research.

A Definitive Guide to Infidelity Tropes: Netorare, Netorase, Netori, Cuckold, and Cuckqueen

1.0 Introduction: Deconstructing a Complex Lexicon


Terms like Cuckold, Netorare, and their variants, originating from distinct Western and Japanese cultural contexts, are frequently misunderstood and conflated. This complex lexicon describes a range of sexual dynamics and media genres centered on infidelity, yet the specific nuances are often lost in casual discussion. This guide provides clear, source-grounded definitions to delineate the specific perspectives, power dynamics, and emotional focuses of each term, bringing clarity to a subject rife with confusion.

The analysis will begin with foundational Western concepts that have evolved from literary archetypes into modern fetish subcultures. It will then shift to the highly specific Japanese genre terminology, which is primarily distinguished by narrative point of view. Finally, the guide will culminate in a direct comparative analysis to crystallize all distinctions and clarify the overlaps between these concepts.

2.0 Foundational Western Concepts: The Cuckold and Cuckqueen Archetypes

Understanding the Western terms 'Cuckold' and 'Cuckqueen' is strategically important, as they provide essential context for the broader field of infidelity-related fetishes. These archetypes possess a long literary history and have evolved into specific modern subcultures, primarily within the BDSM scene. Examining their definitions and dynamics establishes a baseline of willing participation and fetishistic pleasure that contrasts sharply with some of the Japanese concepts that follow.

2.1 Cuckold: From Ridicule to Fetish

The term 'cuckold' carries both a traditional, pejorative definition and a modern, consensual one rooted in fetishism.

Historically, a cuckold is the husband of an unfaithful wife. The term first appeared in 13th-century literature and was derived from the cuckoo bird, known for laying its eggs in other birds' nests. In this context, the husband is deceived and becomes an object of public mockery and ridicule.

In its contemporary fetishistic sense, a cuckold is a husband who not only consents to but also watches his wife engage in sexual activities with another man, often deriving pleasure from the act. This dynamic is a distinct subset of the BDSM scene and differs from a threesome because the husband does not physically participate in the sexual act. The practice manifests in several key dynamics:
  • Submissive: In this scenario, the husband agrees to the act from a position of submission, acknowledging that he cannot provide adequate sexual satisfaction for his wife—it might be because of a small penis or the habit of pre-ejaculation. He consents to her seeking pleasure from a more capable man.
  • Dominant: Termed an "alpha cuckold," this dynamic places the husband in a position of control. He orchestrates his wife's sexual encounters with others for his own pleasure. Alternatively, this can be part of a broader BDSM act where he watches her enjoyment specifically to punish her afterward.
  • Masochistic: The core fetishistic element here is mental humiliation. The husband enjoys the degradation, demeaning activities, and the feeling of being left out. The psychological experience of his wife being with another man is the primary source of pleasure.
  • Voyeuristic: Cuckolding is a form of voyeurism, which is the act of gaining sexual pleasure from watching others engage in sexual activity. However, it operates under the strict rule of consent from all three individuals involved, distinguishing it from illegal, non-consensual voyeurism.
A critical rule defines the boundaries of this fetish: if the husband is forced to watch against his will or participates sexually in any way, the act is not considered cuckolding.

2.2 Cuckqueen: The Female Counterpart

A 'Cuckqueen' is the female equivalent of a cuckold. She is a woman who derives sexual pleasure from watching her husband or male partner engage in sexual activity with another woman. This practice has its own associated terminology within its subculture:
  • Hothusband: The male partner of the cuckqueen.
  • Cuckcake: The other woman involved in the sexual act.
  • Hothusbanding: An alternative term used to describe the practice of cuckqueaning.
In cuckqueaning scenarios, the male partner often assumes a sexually dominant role while the cuckqueen is submissive. The wife usually only becomes involved with the man or his lover(s) when he permits it—sometimes remaining altogether celibate. The specifics of the fetish can vary widely, ranging from loving, consensual acts akin to swinging to scenarios that intentionally involve the humiliation and debasement of the cuckqueen for the pleasure of the participants.

These Western concepts, rooted in willing participation and shared fetish, provide a crucial foundation before exploring the more complex, perspective-driven terminology from Japan.

3.0 The Japanese "NTR" Family: A Matter of Perspective

The Japanese terms Netorare, Netori, and Netorase are genres commonly found in anime and manga that explore infidelity from highly specific viewpoints. Unlike their Western counterparts, the primary distinction between them lies in the narrative point of view—whether the story is told from the perspective of the one being betrayed, the one doing the stealing, or the one willingly giving their partner away. This focus on perspective, coupled with varying dynamics of consent, makes them precise and nuanced categories. The abbreviation NTR, widely used in fan communities, is short for Netorare, and has been bastardized in some communities of fetish and kink discussion to become the overarching term for all forms of the fetish.

3.1 Netorare (寝取られ): The Perspective of the Betrayed

Netorare literally translates to "to be taken away" or "being snatched away." This genre centers on the experience of a protagonist (Person A) whose romantic partner or love interest (Person B) is "stolen" by a third party (Person C).

The core emotional focus of a Netorare narrative is the internal emotional distress, trauma, and devastation of the protagonist. The story is about the pain and heartbreak of betrayal. From the protagonist's (A's) perspective, the act is entirely non-consensual or occurs without their knowledge. Furthermore, the partner being taken (B), by the third party (Person C), is often subjected to non-consensual acts involving coercion, deceit, manipulation, blackmail, drugging, or force. While they may eventually give in or even come to prefer the third party (C), the act is still a violation of the partner (B), which in turn causes the emotional turmoil for the protagonist (A).

It is important to note that without first hand knowledge or knowledge after the fact of the acts being committed there cannot be, by omission of said knowledge, any emotional turmoil for the protagonist. That is, the protagonist must, at some point discover their romantic partner or love interest (B) has been unfaithful, else they remain blissfully ignorant.

3.2 Netori (寝取り): The Perspective of the Stealer

Netori is derived from the active verb netoru, meaning "to take." In this genre, the narrative perspective shifts to the "stealer" or "homewrecker."

The protagonist of a Netori story is the third party (Person C) who actively works to seduce, manipulate, or force someone else's partner (Person B) into a physical relationship. The central plot dynamic is one of conquest. To provide justification for the protagonist's actions, the original partner (Person A) is often characterized negatively—portrayed as an abuser, a cheater themselves, or otherwise unable to satisfy their partner.

3.3 Netorase (寝取らせ): The Perspective of the Giver

The term Netorase originates from the causative form of the verb, meaning "to let or cause someone to take." This genre aligns closely with the Western cuckold fetish.

The protagonist (Person A) in a Netorase story is a willing participant who actively enjoys, encourages, or even orchestrates their partner (Person B) having sex with a third party (Person C). This is the Japanese media genre equivalent of the willing cuckold or cuckqueen fetish, where the original partner gives their informed consent and derives pleasure from the act.

Having defined these terms individually, a direct comparison is necessary to fully crystallize their distinctions.

4.0 Comparative Analysis: Distinguishing Key Nuances

This section synthesizes the previous definitions into a clear, at-a-glance comparison. Understanding the axes of narrative perspective, consent of the original partner, and primary narrative focus is crucial to differentiating these often-confused terms.

4.1 Comparative Framework

Core Differentiators

Term
Narrative Perspective
Consent of Original Partner (A)
Primary Narrative Focus
Netorare
The Betrayed (Person A)
No consent / Unaware

Focus on the protagonist's (A's) emotional trauma, humiliation, and devastation as their partner (B) is stolen by a third party (C).​
Netori
The Stealer (Person C)
N/A (Protagonist is the stealer)​
Conquest, seduction, or manipulation of another's partner.​
Netorase
The Giver (Person A)
Full, willing consent
Shared fetishistic pleasure, humiliation, or voyeurism.​

Cuckold/
Cuckqueen
The Giver (Person A)
Full, willing consent
Shared fetishistic pleasure, humiliation, or voyeurism.​


While the table provides a clear framework, certain concepts warrant a more direct comparison to address common points of confusion.

4.2 Distinctions and Overlaps


Netorare vs. Cheating

Although related, netorare and cheating are distinct concepts defined by specific criteria:
  • Relationship Basis: The term cheating applies specifically when there is a reciprocal romantic relationship between the original couple (A and B). Netorare is broader and can apply to non-romantic relationships, such as childhood friends, personal friends, classmates, or work colleagues.
  • Consent and Coercion: For an act to be considered cheating, the unfaithful partner (B) must consent to the act with the third party (C) without coercion. In netorare, partner B is often subjected to manipulation, blackmail, or force, and their consent is compromised.
  • Narrative Focus: A story about cheating may focus on any character, but a netorare story specifically centers on the emotional trauma experienced by Person A. A key requirement is that the partner (B) being taken away from Person A must be a notable character the story.
Netorase vs. Cuckolding and Swinging

These terms describe similar consensual dynamics but differ in their origin and scope:
  • Genre vs. Fetish: Netorase is a Japanese media genre term, while cuckolding is the Western term for the corresponding sexual fetish and practice. They essentially describe the same dynamic of a partner willingly watching or arranging for their significant other to have sex with someone else.
  • Overlap with Swinging: Both netorase and cuckolding can be categorized under the broader umbrella of swinging under specific conditions: there must be a reciprocal romantic relationship between the original couple (A and B), and the partner (B) must consent to the activity without coercion.
5.0 Conclusion: A Summary of Distinctions

The lexicon surrounding infidelity tropes is nuanced, but a clear framework makes it decipherable. The fundamental differences between Western terms like Cuckold/Cuckqueen and the Japanese NTR family (Netorare, Netori, Netorase) lie in three key areas: the narrative point of view (betrayed, stealer, or giver), the status of consent among the original partners, and the central emotional theme of the story, whether it is trauma, conquest, or shared pleasure. By understanding these core differentiators, one can navigate this complex terminology with accuracy and clarity, appreciating the precise dynamics each term is meant to convey.

NOTE: In the instance of a story narrative, the reader enjoys the advantage of Dramatic Irony which can often blur the perceptions of what is intended by the author due to self-insertion or misconceptions about the Netorare fetish.
 
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