VN Ren'Py Completed NTR'd by Clumsiness [v1.0.0] [Hangover Cat]

[greybear55]

Since the next update is going to be the very last one, I asked Hangovercat if he will include a lot of sex scenes in the final update. I was thinking of maybe 10 sex scenes instead of the usual 2 per update. Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side, which is why I suggested 10 sex scenes. 10 NTR sex scenes of Natasha cheating on Chris.

Sadly, Hangovercat said that it would take MONTHS to even have 10 sex scenes. I told him that the sex scenes don't have to be animated so that it could be done faster. Animations can come after. We just want a lot of sex scenes for the final update instead of a gazillion words of plot and only 2 sex scenes, which will be a massive disappointment for the ending of NTR'd by Clumsiness.

Still, Hangovercat persisted that it will take months even if the scenes aren't animated. What a letdown. How can it take MONTHS to even produce that, especially with the help of AI and many advanced programs for art?

If the final update is just two sex scenes and then a billion useless words for plot, I'll never be supporting Hangovercat with my money again. I'll just be waiting for the leaked versions of whatever games he makes in the future.

To be honest, being a follower and supporter of Hangovercat for more than a year, it really felt like he just wants to get over this game already. In the beginning, it was supposed to be just a side project for shits and giggles. But it caught the attention of many people who enjoy this type of NTR content. This created demand for better sex scenes and plot. Yet, Hangovercat many times in some updates just half-assed it and say, "I'm tired." while taking your money.

 

[Weed95ct]

Since the next update is going to be the very last one, I asked Hangovercat if he will include a lot of sex scenes in the final update. I was thinking of maybe 10 sex scenes instead of the usual 2 per update. Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side, which is why I suggested 10 sex scenes. 10 NTR sex scenes of Natasha cheating on Chris.

Sadly, Hangovercat said that it would take MONTHS to even have 10 sex scenes. I told him that the sex scenes don't have to be animated so that it could be done faster. Animations can come after. We just want a lot of sex scenes for the final update instead of a gazillion words of plot and only 2 sex scenes, which will be a massive disappointment for the ending of NTR'd by Clumsiness.

Still, Hangovercat persisted that it will take months even if the scenes aren't animated. What a letdown. How can it take MONTHS to even produce that, especially with the help of AI and many advanced programs for art?

If the final update is just two sex scenes and then a billion useless words for plot, I'll never be supporting Hangovercat with my money again. I'll just be waiting for the leaked versions of whatever games he makes in the future.

Sorry bro is take months for create at least an renpy script work proprely

 

[Terix3]

Since the next update is going to be the very last one, I asked Hangovercat if he will include a lot of sex scenes in the final update. I was thinking of maybe 10 sex scenes instead of the usual 2 per update. Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side, which is why I suggested 10 sex scenes. 10 NTR sex scenes of Natasha cheating on Chris.

Sadly, Hangovercat said that it would take MONTHS to even have 10 sex scenes. I told him that the sex scenes don't have to be animated so that it could be done faster. Animations can come after. We just want a lot of sex scenes for the final update instead of a gazillion words of plot and only 2 sex scenes, which will be a massive disappointment for the ending of NTR'd by Clumsiness.

Still, Hangovercat persisted that it will take months even if the scenes aren't animated. What a letdown. How can it take MONTHS to even produce that, especially with the help of AI and many advanced programs for art?

If the final update is just two sex scenes and then a billion useless words for plot, I'll never be supporting Hangovercat with my money again. I'll just be waiting for the leaked versions of whatever games he makes in the future.

To be honest, being a follower and supporter of Hangovercat for more than a year, it really felt like he just wants to get over this game already. In the beginning, it was supposed to be just a side project for shits and giggles. But it caught the attention of many people who enjoy this type of NTR content. This created demand for better sex scenes and plot. Yet, Hangovercat many times in some updates just half-assed it and say, "I'm tired." while taking your money.

The artist for this game delivers only that many art/month. To begin this game was releasing every two months to so the artist can create enough art for it. Needing 5x the amount of scenes means 5 times the time. Lately the artist was hospitalized too which possibly may mean he will not be able to keep the old pace.
I think the animations are done by separate contracted person so lack of animations wouldn't help.
Let's not open the can of worms called AI art ...

I understand that you want more Natasha cheating scenes, same here. I think that is how HC is, you will notice in his past works there is a lot of scenes leading up to the "fall" but only a handful of "fully fallen" scenes.

 

[FlinPaltwell]

Since the next update is going to be the very last one, I asked Hangovercat if he will include a lot of sex scenes in the final update. I was thinking of maybe 10 sex scenes instead of the usual 2 per update. Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side, which is why I suggested 10 sex scenes. 10 NTR sex scenes of Natasha cheating on Chris.

I'm stoked to hear that the final update is about Jeff and Natasha (as opposed to "demon" and Natasha). Personally, I didn't care for the demonic plot twist, because seeing hapless Jeff and lustful Natasha both give in to lust together was the main thing I've been hoping for this whole time.

Still, Hangovercat persisted that it will take months even if the scenes aren't animated. What a letdown. How can it take MONTHS to even produce that, especially with the help of AI and many advanced programs for art?

If the final update is just two sex scenes and then a billion useless words for plot, I'll never be supporting Hangovercat with my money again. I'll just be waiting for the leaked versions of whatever games he makes in the future.

You're asking for 10 sex scenes. Do you think it takes only 3 days to make a sex scene? Use AI, edit it, write the scene in an afternoon or two, done?
Firstly, while I personally do suspect that the artist for NTR'dBC sometimes uses AI at some point in their workflow, they definitely edit the art extensively by hand, in addition to whatever they draw from scratch. And sex scenes are a major weak point for AI; there are some models that do impressive work with it for VERY specific poses and positions that almost entirely cut out the guy, but the examples you see are the cream of the crop; most of it still looks freaking weird and would need editing (which is no small task). And if the artist does NOT use AI in their workflow, or is only slightly reliant on it, it's not exactly easy to just incorporate it more and have it help you. AI is figuring out its place in the artist's workflow right now, and it is very weird and different to use. Editing an image is quite different from drawing one yourself, especially when you consider that AI art is not broken up into layers like it normally would be if you drew it (would love to see development in that direction).

So, drawing/editing a sex scene on its own likely takes at least an entire solid day of dedicated work at this level of quality, and that's if they are very focused. We don't know this artist's life or how busy they are (do we?), and sometimes it makes a lot more sense to chip away at a piece for a week than to churn it all out in 8 hours. It burns you out mentally and creatively.

The same is true for writing. How many different ways are you going to write "the dick thrust into the pussy" such that you extend one sex scene to the length of a proper fap session? One sex scene can be tough if you really want to do it justice. 10 fully fleshed-out sex scenes is a monumental task, the likes of which I could never write in just one month, especially one right after the other. People aren't machines.
Not to mention, the build-up between each scene (which is of vital importance. It's not "a billion useless words," it's the entire reason we're reading a visual novel instead of looking at picture galleries), as well as Chris' perspective (which I don't care about but HangoverCat is an NTR dev and I think Chris' perspective is very important to the identity of the game for him).

And then, setting that aside, there's coordination between writer and artist. The writer might tell the artist "I want doggy style on the floor near the bed from a side perspective with one arm grabbing her hip and the other grabbing her boob" but they'll still typically want to SEE what the result is looking like before writing everything. You could write a fair amount without seeing anything, but all I'm saying is coordination between two people is another time-sucking obstacle in the workflow.

I'd be astonished if he and his artist pulled off this task in anything less than 4 months. And 4 months would be impressive to me.

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All of that said, I would LOVE 10 scenes devoted to Jeff and Natasha, because I feel like Jeff has some catching up to do (and I wouldn't mind waiting 5+ months for this, honestly). But, in the end, if the dev is eager to move on to a new project, that's something I completely relate to. This project has been in development for (probably) about 2 years now, and he's spent MUCH more time with these characters than any of us ever will. He's probably burnt out and sees the light at the end of the tunnel, where he gets to pursue something new and exciting.

Now, I don't expect I'll ever follow another one of his games because I'm not actually a fan of NTR and I think this game is an anomaly. I'm just a guest here. I also didn't financially support him in the first place while YOU DID for a year, so I'm not really saying that you don't get to feel disappointment. And I get that you want him to do the ending justice for what's been a very unique game.

TL;DR:
I don't begrudge you feeling any of that, I just think what he told you is the simple god's-honest truth.

 

[Zes1993]

It doesnt make sense that this ntr has better animation and cg than A promise best left unkept, why?? It supposed to be the other way around

 

[cazzz]

It doesnt make sense that this ntr has better animation and cg than A promise best left unkept, why?? It supposed to be the other way around

the more degenerate the more dedicated, unfortunately why do you think most furry porn is so well drawn. the skill is unquestionable, but fuck man why a fuckin' zebra???

*crys in the corner*

 

[saitamaTM]

he finish this game so fast i wish it more long like a promise best left unkeep but oh well it like he not have any ideal for the story. this game story is really unique

 

[Kame-Sennin]

Since the next update is going to be the very last one, I asked Hangovercat if he will include a lot of sex scenes in the final update. I was thinking of maybe 10 sex scenes instead of the usual 2 per update. Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side, which is why I suggested 10 sex scenes. 10 NTR sex scenes of Natasha cheating on Chris.

Sadly, Hangovercat said that it would take MONTHS to even have 10 sex scenes. I told him that the sex scenes don't have to be animated so that it could be done faster. Animations can come after. We just want a lot of sex scenes for the final update instead of a gazillion words of plot and only 2 sex scenes, which will be a massive disappointment for the ending of NTR'd by Clumsiness.

Still, Hangovercat persisted that it will take months even if the scenes aren't animated. What a letdown. How can it take MONTHS to even produce that, especially with the help of AI and many advanced programs for art?

If the final update is just two sex scenes and then a billion useless words for plot, I'll never be supporting Hangovercat with my money again. I'll just be waiting for the leaked versions of whatever games he makes in the future.

To be honest, being a follower and supporter of Hangovercat for more than a year, it really felt like he just wants to get over this game already. In the beginning, it was supposed to be just a side project for shits and giggles. But it caught the attention of many people who enjoy this type of NTR content. This created demand for better sex scenes and plot. Yet, Hangovercat many times in some updates just half-assed it and say, "I'm tired." while taking your money.

2 scenes doesn't matter, as long as it's long and satisfying, quality wins over quantity for me

 

[Kame-Sennin]

Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side, which is why I suggested 10 sex scenes. 10 NTR sex scenes of Natasha cheating on Chris.

What do you mean "Final" ? do you mean this scene "Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side" happened in the last update which is 8.0 ? or do you mean this is a preview for the next update ?

 

[danadana]

What do you mean "Final" ? do you mean this scene "Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side" happened in the last update which is 8.0 ? or do you mean this is a preview for the next update ?

The only thing we know is two things: the first is that this is going to be the final update and the game would be complete, waiting to see if they make a second part. We will see if they close the ending or leave it open-ended. Second, it should come out this month or at least that's what the developer said, but since things don't depend on him, the production of the last update can be extended if the artist doesn't meet the dates.

 

[Supreme Kai]

The only thing we know is two things: the first is that this is going to be the final update and the game would be complete, waiting to see if they make a second part. We will see if they close the ending or leave it open-ended. Second, it should come out this month or at least that's what the developer said, but since things don't depend on him, the production of the last update can be extended if the artist doesn't meet the dates.

Still that doesn't answer the question

 

[danadana]

Still that doesn't answer the question

I understand, maybe I explained poorly what I meant by that: we don't know anything for sure, they would just be theories, so you can't give a correct answer to something that we won't know until the update comes out. Nobody here knows how the story will end, what the next scenes are or if there will be a second game.

 

[Kame-Sennin]

I understand, maybe I explained poorly what I meant by that: we don't know anything for sure, they would just be theories, so you can't give a correct answer to something that we won't know until the update comes out. Nobody here knows how the story will end, what the next scenes are or if there will be a second game.

If you played the last update, you should know. my question is just simple and answerable by yes or no or not yet , if this happened or not yet

greybear55 said:
Final update shows Natasha seducing Jeff so much that Jeff finally gives in and starts fucking Natasha without his 'demonic' side

 

[saitamaTM]

the upgrade so long

 

[saitamaTM]

2 scenes doesn't matter, as long as it's long and satisfying, quality wins over quantity for me

not sure why but his game feel no more budget now after the promise best left unkept

 

[Imperius_9737]

update was released, any hope that a kind soul will post it here lol?

 

[JohnDoe8492]

update was released, any hope that a kind soul will post it here lol?

Probably going to be waiting for a while.

 

[danadana]

Probably going to be waiting for a while.

Well, with this latest update of the game it would be complete, we can finally know how it ends or how it continues in case there is a second part.
With a little luck, since the game is already complete, it will be leaked soon, although I recommend buying it, it is quite cheap and it is very worth it when it officially release on steam

 

[JohnDoe8492]

Well, with this latest update of the game it would be complete, we can finally know how it ends or how it continues in case there is a second part.
With a little luck, since the game is already complete, it will be leaked soon, although I recommend buying it, it is quite cheap and it is very worth it when it officially release on steam

Already own the game on steam, and I will be waiting longer for the update there than I will here.

 

[danadana]

Already own the game on steam, and I will be waiting longer for the update there than I will here.

That's why im here in case there's a chance to play before we have it on Steam at the end of the month.
edit : As announced, the Steam version comes out close in the $5 tier, so on the 16th