VN Ren'Py Nudist College [v0.19] [Elsa]

[-CookieMonster666-]

Yeah, the scenes do really feel random in both what happens and how they play out. The whole bunny cafe bit though in this update though was just incredibly cringy, it just felt like a perspective on reality from someone who doesn't go outside.

Right, because the premise of "government" projects with constant nudity everywhere is completely realistic and happens all the time. At least bunny cafés actually exist. I've never heard of a single government saying, "Every day at least some of our students will be forced to be nude in public situations and interactions". Things like nudist colonies or beaches, sure. Government-mandated nudity regularly? Yeah, right. If that place exists, please let me know so I can move immediately.

 

[DocRipper]

More serious now. About that ¨pregnancy thing¨. Do you think it's overused in games? Annoying,predictable,cliché?
In relation to NS... Would that even theoretically be considered a good ending? Rather spoiler...

Spoiler: Preg

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[DocRipper]

Right, because the premise of "government" projects with constant nudity everywhere is completely realistic and happens all the time. At least bunny cafés actually exist. I've never heard of a single government saying, "Every day at least some of our students will be forced to be nude in public situations and interactions". Things like nudist colonies or beaches, sure. Government-mandated nudity regularly? Yeah, right. If that place exists, please let me know so I can move immediately.

Right. But it's not about the realism of the story, every story is bizarre, the real one is boring.
It's more about the narrative, the connectivity of the plot, the continuity.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Right. But it's not about the realism of the story, every story is bizarre, the real one is boring.
It's more about the narrative, the connectivity of the plot, the continuity.

I suppose I misunderstood this statement, then: "...it just felt like a perspective on reality from someone who doesn't go outside." To me, that seemed to imply you were expecting realism from an otherwise unrealistic story.

Personally, I don't find anything wrong with the café in terms of plot. The owner could easily have decided to change the theme of the place. It also somewhat ties into the whole idea of her getting more comfortable generally anyway. It's yet another step to being completely fine with being naked. While I think those cafés are cringe in general, I don't think it's cringey at all in terms of connectivity to the story. So I guess I just disagree, but it's not like we need to feel the same about it.

 

[Almighty]

More serious now. About that ¨pregnancy thing¨. Do you think it's overused in games? Annoying,predictable,cliché?
In relation to NS... Would that even theoretically be considered a good ending? Rather spoiler...

Spoiler: Preg

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Too bad she mines for life. I made sure she pregnant.

 

[DocRipper]

I suppose I misunderstood this statement by you, then: "...it just felt like a perspective on reality from someone who doesn't go outside." To me, that seemed to imply you were expecting realism from an otherwise unrealistic story.

Personally, I don't find anything wrong with the café in terms of plot. The owner could easily have decided to change the theme of the place. It also somewhat ties into the whole idea of her getting more comfortable generally anyway. It's yet another step to being completely fine with being naked. While I think those cafés are cringe in general, I don't think it's cringey at all in terms of connectivity to the story. So I guess I just disagree, but it's not like we need to feel the same about it.

Maybe WindIsHowling should respond to this, maybe he has a slightly different opinion in the final. I don't even want to critique every scene in detail. The basis of the story is always established from the beginning,attacking the basic setup of the story doesn't make much sense. The devil is in details.
I was more generally criticizing the simple system of Day 1 - Nudist project 1 - Scene 1 - End of day. On the other hand a good example was Night play with Allana , continued as Night Class. There was a clever continuity.But the scenes are good.
It could have been expanded more with the government thing...on the other hand it could have turned into a thriller or horror. It's not good to mess with The Big Perverted Crazy Government.

 

[WindIsHowling]

Right, because the premise of "government" projects with constant nudity everywhere is completely realistic and happens all the time. At least bunny cafés actually exist. I've never heard of a single government saying, "Every day at least some of our students will be forced to be nude in public situations and interactions". Things like nudist colonies or beaches, sure. Government-mandated nudity regularly? Yeah, right. If that place exists, please let me know so I can move immediately.

It's called suspension of disbelief. A story has no impact if there is no believability at all. You suspend disbelief to a certain point (e.g. superpowers) and go from there. So many people like you think one unrealistic thing means no believability in a story matters at all.

 

[ImperialD]

Well. Don't be sad. I haven't decided yet.

i can agree with alot of stuff even some i find ify .... just NO scat PLEASEEEEEEE ewwwwww

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

It's called suspension of disbelief. A story has no impact if there is no believability at all. You suspend disbelief to a certain point (e.g. superpowers) and go from there. So many people like you think one unrealistic thing means no believability in a story matters at all.

Yeah, because the bunny café is less believable than the nudity government mandate. Your "suspension of disbelief" defense looks about as flimsy as OJ's glove defense. But w/e. You do you, boo.

 

[S1nsational]

All of you arguing over what's believable or not are FOOLS!!

Do any of you really think any all girl school would allow a boy to transfer in over such a stupid technicality and fuck up?

The only realistic thing in the game is how a lot of the girls don't shave, that's it.

 

[DocRipper]

All of you arguing over what's believable or not are FOOLS!!

Do any of you really think any all girl school would allow a boy to transfer in over such a stupid technicality and fuck up?

The only realistic thing in the game is how a lot of the girls don't shave, that's it.

Everyone must agree with the last sentence. For me, that was probably the main reason I started playing this game in the first place- more "body realism", more believable characters of varying proportions and sizes of "whatever", and a more natural ..ehm...ok ok..done.

Spoiler: Lyra

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[BartPS]

All of you arguing over what's believable or not are FOOLS!!

Do any of you really think any all girl school would allow a boy to transfer in over such a stupid technicality and fuck up?

The only realistic thing in the game is how a lot of the girls don't shave, that's it.

Well yes and no. Suspension of Disbelief (SoD) is, more or less by definition, fooling yourself, but it's a quantum leap from people deliberately, temporarily fooling themselves for the sake of enjoying entertainment, to saying that those people are ... FOOLS!!

I haven't read the whole thread, but most of the relevant posts seem to be arguing that X makes that temporary SoD more difficult. And this type of critique is often raised when discussing creative writing. For example, successful science fiction writers will limit technological innovations that are outside our current scientific understanding (e.g. faster than light travel) to a minimum, or else the reader will struggle to maintain their SoD, undermining the immersive illusion.

Similarly, in erotic fantasy, if nothing is outside the bounds of realism, it certainly won't be a fantasy, even if it's erotic. But too many unrealistic occurences can distract us, making it more difficult to maintain the SoD, so lowering our enjoyment.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Well yes and no. Suspension of Disbelief (SoD) is, more or less by definition, fooling yourself, but it's a quantum leap from people deliberately, temporarily fooling themselves for the sake of enjoying entertainment, to saying that those people are ... FOOLS!!

I haven't read the whole thread, but most of the relevant posts seem to be arguing that X makes that temporary SoD more difficult. And this type of critique is often raised when discussing creative writing. For example, successful science fiction writers will limit technological innovations that are outside our current scientific understanding (e.g. faster than light travel) to a minimum, or else the reader will struggle to maintain their SoD, undermining the immersive illusion.

Similarly, in erotic fantasy, if nothing is outside the bounds of realism, it certainly won't be a fantasy, even if it's erotic. But too many unrealistic occurences can distract us, making it more difficult to maintain the SoD, so lowering our enjoyment.

The only problem with suspension of disbelief is that it's extraordinarily subjective. Everyone's tolerance for the unlikely or ridiculous varies. Once someone crosses into the "it's too much" camp, it's hard to get them back again. But what one person stops being able to accept is something someone else might still be fine with. That was my primary point.

The "so many people like you" statement by WindIsHowling was an extremely huge leap. Their SoD was unable to include the bunny café scene, but mine was not. So according to them, apparently that means nothing has to be believable in the story to me. Obviously our SoDs have differing tolerances, but that hardly means I'll just accept anything at all. What a silly thing to write.

I think that was a part of S1nsational's point too, to a certain extent. The story's premise is ridiculous on its face. No government would ever mandate what the one in the game does. So, the events in the game tend to include a large number of silly things ("night tutoring" that is just more nudity, for example). And I personally find it ludicrous that a bunny café — that actually exists in some places IRL — is the breaking point for anyone's SoD. But obviously I'm not WindIsHowling (or anybody else). Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean others aren't entitled to how they feel. That said, I'm also allowed an opinion on how strange I find that response to be.

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[Yodasy]

I plan to make peeing.
Not sure about tickling thou

Please one tickling please! and what about shaving?

 

[Yodasy]

No pee! No poo! No dice! Now go and wash your hands!

Why what's wrong with peeing. All Human also you must do it.

 

[cxx]

Please one tickling please! and what about shaving?

shaving what? mc doesn't have beard and girls or teacher don't exactly have big bushes down there.

 

[S1nsational]

Please one tickling please! and what about shaving?

The hairy pussys are why like 90% of people are here. If Olivia was ever to lose her glorious bush there'd be riots

 

[PapaPhat]

The hairy pussys are why like 90% of people are here. If Olivia was ever to lose her glorious bush there'd be riots

I want to bury my face in there until the juice runs down her leg and soaks my beard then bury my cock balls deep in that sweet furry pussy until neither of us can stand up and just pass out in each other's arms then do it all over again once we awaken again...

Adventure ever on my friend, Phat

Spoiler: Love you Olivia!!! <3

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[Son of Durin]

shaving what? mc doesn't have beard and girls or teacher don't exactly have big bushes down there.

Olivia has a nice bush, but she did muse whether she should have shaved before the beach day. Personally, I like her as she is, but having her give herself a little trim to shape things a little might satisfy someone's hope for that kind of thing, and is already basically set up. I hope she doesn't, but if she does, then it shouldn't be "go bald".

 

[jclosed]

The moment Olivia shaves her perfect bush, is the moment I drop this game. There are already so much games with bald unattractive "baby" genitals, that a hairy pussy is something scarce and a bit of a rarity. I would be very disappointed to see Olivia would get the same generic bland, boring, dull and very standard appearance, like hundreds of other girls in VN's. It would destroy that one thing that made her special (well - there are more, but this is one of the most important things).

Just my personal take on it. You don't have to agree, but that's what I think about this subject.