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not this game, that sounds like simulation 69Haven't tried this one, is this something that happens in this VN?![]()
not this game, that sounds like simulation 69Haven't tried this one, is this something that happens in this VN?![]()
Unless I missed it, no NSFW scenes yeaSo no sex scene in this update?
Well I hope we can avoid the Bisexual couple not just because of the lesbian/Bi but ALSO because they are already a couple. IMO all the Li in the harem should revolve around the MC, that's the purpose of having a harem, because if they all dating each other and having sex then it's not a harem any more.Okay, I guess that completely changes what I said:
Now, contrary to what I stated before, I must say that:
I hope that leaving without helping Kuroha means that you lose all the content of the bisexual couple.
I know this is an old post but what your describing isn't a harem though. Harems are for a male power fantasy of having multiple women that love him and only him. What your talking about is a poly relationship.Where has I, and I believe a bunch of others, really enjoy it when the girls are also involved with each other. Love doesn't subtract, multiplies, or something...
Also, it creates a different power dynamic, one where the MC is part of the whole, instead of being isolated in a leader position. It also means that there's no need for complicated sleep schedules, everyone sleeps with everyone, fucks or not whomever they want.
Instead of your proposed Master/Servants setting is a fully immersed experience of equality. I do really prefer this.
Even if I wasn't a massive fan of Lesbian sex, I am, this is a much better experience and much more rewarding for everyone.
Hey, each of us likes what they like, right?
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And the dev says:literally every dev that forces lesbians into male protag games are using the bi excuse, it's getting old fast
Maybe for me the pinnacle of "Power Fantasy" is what I described? Maybe I am not that interested in the controlling type you are? Maybe I am not interested in control after all? Maybe I see myself more in a cooperative role, than in a commanding one? Maybe I don't NEED to control to feel safe? Maybe I don't need to OWN to feel important?I know this is an old post but what your describing isn't a harem though. Harems are for a male power fantasy of having multiple women that love him and only him. What your talking about is a poly relationship.
I didn't get that first part but the rest i agree. I get some people are into lesbian/Bi content, to each their own. But in harem games or Male MC driven games for that matter lesbian/Bi Li just don't belong or at the very least made avoidable I'm not saying Bi women can't be in a straight relationship, BUT if they do they need to let go of the urge to be with women, I know that's not realistic but I don't read these for realism, well to a point any way.And the dev says:
"When you hit on a girl, it is fun and satisfying to get the girl to sleep with you on the first date. But that doesn't have the chemistry between two people who actually show interest in each individual."
Isn't that what's gonna happen with the bi content? I just don't see how the bi girls will show any interest in MC outside of just mindless sex. And then the girls going back to fucking each other.
Devs really don't like sticking to pure harem when it comes to "Harem games" with Male Protags. When people are thinking of playing a Male Protag harem game, they are thinking about straight content, not LGBTQ+ content. Imagine if a Female Protag Lesbian Harem game inserted men or a straight couple to ruin the dynamic for those audiences. They basically feel the same way. Heck I've seen people hate when a lesbian game inserts Futa content. Not every tag is gonna work together.
every lesbian being bi now is just deus ex machina for VNsI didn't get that first part but the rest i agree. I get some people are into lesbian/Bi content, to each their own. But in harem games or Male MC driven games for that matter lesbian/Bi Li just don't belong or at the very least made avoidable I'm not saying Bi women can't be in a straight relationship, BUT if they do they need to let go of the urge to be with women, I know that's not realistic but I don't read these for realism, well to a point any way.
I didn't get that first part but the rest i agree. I get some people are into lesbian/Bi content, to each their own. But in harem games or Male MC driven games for that matter lesbian/Bi Li just don't belong or at the very least made avoidable I'm not saying Bi women can't be in a straight relationship, BUT if they do they need to let go of the urge to be with women, I know that's not realistic but I don't read these for realism, well to a point any way.
The people who always point to lesbian porn being popular among men has always been brought up in these conversations in other threads. The thing that people fail to realize is that its a fetish, they don't think about whether the girls are actually lesbian or not when watching porn. For some it may be hotter if straight girls go at it. It's something that people choose to watch when they feel like it.every lesbian being bi now is just deus ex machina for VNs
So true. I've seen it dozens of times. I've seen harem vn's where all the Li love MC soooo much but towards the end they start having 3somes, 4somes, orgies and it's just a free for all, because dev couldn't come up with anything else but sex to keep the story going and entertain the readers. And of course i've seen devs make it avoidable but at a certain point it's the main focus and the people that don't like Lesbian/Bi content miss out on a lot of content. TBH I don't care for 3somes or what ever I would rather have each Li have one on one sex with the MC with a final arc with all the Li.The people who always point to lesbian porn being popular among men has always been brought up in these conversations in other threads. The thing that people fail to realize is that its a fetish, they don't think about whether the girls are actually lesbian or not when watching porn. For some it may be hotter if straight girls go at it. It's something that people choose to watch when they feel like it.
When it comes to AVNs, people are meant to be invested in the characters and the story along with the scenes. When someone plays a harem game with a Male Protag they're expecting to be able to get with all of the LIs in the game. When a dev turns one of the girls lesbian, this is essentially the dev taking away an LI for no reason other than to set up lesbian content. Realistically there's no way the MC would get scenes with a lesbian, other than if it's in a threesome, but then there would be no attachment between the two, he'd just be a walking dildo in that scenario. Which is a turn off. Also a lot of those games end up make the lesbian content the focus and the MC becomes sidelined which is even more annoying.
And even after saying all what I said, I don't have an issue with group sex, if all of the girls like the MC. Just not each other in a harem (Harem being the key word here, not poly). I especially don't want the girls to fuck each other without the MC present. This might be seen as a double standard for some people.So true. I've seen it dozens of times. I've seen harem vn's where all the Li love MC soooo much but towards the end they start having 3somes, 4somes, orgies and it's just a free for all, because dev couldn't come up with anything else but sex to keep the story going and entertain the readers. And of course i've seen devs make it avoidable but at a certain point it's the main focus and the people that don't like Lesbian/Bi content miss out on a lot of content. TBH I don't care for 3somes or what ever I would rather have each Li have one on one sex with the MC with a final arc with all the Li.
In regard to the fun and satisfaction of one night stands through the chemistry shared between two people, they tend not to last long because the thrill of the chase is gone. I don't see how that can be compared to content involving bi partners since they last longer than just one night and involve more attention paid to the women.And the dev says:
"When you hit on a girl, it is fun and satisfying to get the girl to sleep with you on the first date. But that doesn't have the chemistry between two people who actually show interest in each individual."
Isn't that what's gonna happen with the bi content? I just don't see how the bi girls will show any interest in MC outside of just mindless sex. And then the girls going back to fucking each other.
Devs really don't like sticking to pure harem when it comes to "Harem games" with Male Protags. When people are thinking of playing a Male Protag harem game, they are thinking about straight content, not LGBTQ+ content.
Yeah i don't even like lesbian stuff with MC present group sex is fine as long as the focus is on MC Not each other.And even after saying all what I said, I don't have an issue with group sex, if all of the girls like the MC. Just not each other in a harem (Harem being the key word here, not poly). I especially don't want the girls to fuck each other without the MC present. This might be seen as a double standard for some people.
People think MC having all of the girls to himself is wrong or boring. it's a power fantasy. The whole point of harem is for the MC to be with multiple girls or vice versa (cause obviously there are female protag harem games too, I just never played those). But devs decide it should be realistic, and add in girl-on-girl moments (which is not the problem for me, hear me out), others go a step further and make the girls into each romantically, which is the problem for me, cause then it ceases to be a harem, but a whole separate genre, Poly, which is basically sharing within the group. Which, like lesbian, is something that people have to be in the mood for, not be jumped by that type of content in a game that is advertised as one thing but you get another you weren't told it would have, out of nowhere.
I read Manhwa, and most happen to be harem. Sometimes there is group sex involved and all of the girls like the MC in those, sometimes there are moments between the girls but it never feels like the girls will fall in love with each other, it's just them trying to get a rise out of the MC.
Yeah to be fair to have it but avoidable, but my problem is in most cases it's extra work for the dev to do multiple render and animations with and without. Also a lot of the time devs with do lesbian scenes in 3somes and don't do an alternative scene for none lesbian/bi content and like i said before usually by the end or towards the end of a vn that's all thats left is 3somes, 4somes and so on and sure you can avoid it but the player that does not like lesbian/bi sex misses out. or if we're lucky enough to get a dev that's willing to go that extra mile and make an alternative then it's just double work and takes way longer to finish making the game.In regard to the fun and satisfaction of one night stands through the chemistry shared between two people, they tend not to last long because the thrill of the chase is gone. I don't see how that can be compared to content involving bi partners since they last longer than just one night and involve more attention paid to the women.
Personally, I see no problem with lesbian content in male protag harem vn's and I'd rather have the option there than not at all. I know some people dislike that idea but to cater to a wider audience that's the best way to go. The reason for that is because say that someone released a VN where you had to put even more effort into obtaining the girl and keeping her happy for her to be part of your harem. When you reach a certain number of girls that ends up becoming a tedious amount of effort and at least with them keeping each other entertained you have no worries about them looking for other men to provide them with more attention than you the MC is giving them.
The truth is that you can prevent them from starting a relationship with the MC, so hopefully that will prevent them from having sex with other LIs.Fuck....We now have a lesbian couple. Welp...1 update was all it took to ruin the game because we all know they're going to be fucking every girl in the harem behind the MC's back, like in all other "harem" games nowadays. We really need a poly tag so these fake ass devs can't tag their game as harem anymore.
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