Cheat Mod RAGS [ON HIATUS] No Haven: Cheat Mod [v0.79 TF] [Bedlam games]

[ProphetofLogik]

I sincerely appreciate it.
Having people who support you and who also cares as much for the project as you is very valuable especially during early stages of any game's development. I am fairly certain I have proven I can keep to a schedule and provide information during development, so hopefully that will earn me some confidence when I need support for the remake, should I take on the task.

It's entirely your call if you feel the desire to, and are able to at some point in the future. Personally I'd support any attempt to make a game like NH that has so much potential better, even if it took a good while to retrofit everything and clean it up.

 

[DownTheDrain]

I finally gave the mod a try.
It could be a tad more user-friendly (adding traits mostly) but I guess that's just RAGS being RAGS. I'd also really appreciate an option to delete slavers, so you can start out with your desired squad without endless restarting or jumping through hoops.
Apart from that it's a pretty nifty tool.

As for the discussion about developing a new No Haven or similar game, well, I like the genre but hate the engine.
If you think you can deliver a properly working title in RAGS then by all means, although I have my doubts. I have yet to see a complex game done right with it and the few RAGS games that are actually good seem to work despite the engine, not because of it. Maybe Ren'Py or some such would be a more prudent choice.

 

[Semeicardia]

I finally gave the mod a try.
It could be a tad more user-friendly (adding traits mostly) but I guess that's just RAGS being RAGS. I'd also really appreciate an option to delete slavers, so you can start out with your desired squad without endless restarting or jumping through hoops.
Apart from that it's a pretty nifty tool.

As for the discussion about developing a new No Haven or similar game, well, I like the genre but hate the engine.
If you think you can deliver a properly working title in RAGS then by all means, although I have my doubts. I have yet to see a complex game done right with it and the few RAGS games that are actually good seem to work despite the engine, not because of it. Maybe Ren'Py or some such would be a more prudent choice.

I am glad you like my cheat mod

Being userfriendly is a nicety when you deal with the mess that No Haven is under the hood. I could design a better and more user-friendly system of applying mods if the game was coded better.
I have decided that once I am done with the mod - and mind you v4 is still planned for release this Sunday - I will do a remake. The remake will contain all the images and most of the text from the original, but with optimized coding beneath the hood, to make it easier to provide the features of this cheat mod in a more userfriendly matter and probably more features as well, since having entire control of how the entire game system works means I can design it to be more easily modifiable from the start.

As for features of the v4, the planned ones are the missing aspects and races, the ability to remove / delete slavers, fixed ability to rename slaves and ability to select flying mount when you select the flying trait. After that there will only be one more feature that could be added to the mod to make it feature complete: An image browser. An image browser, if it is going to be included, would be for v5.

As for the engine of choice, if I were not going to do it in RAGS, I would do it for the web. Probably server hosted with basic package for free and an optional paid premium package. The premium would mostly be for extra character slots and the like and to show me support.
The advantage of having it server-side hosted with a login system is you will be able to have access to your character from ANYWHERE, any device that has access to the internet.
Another advantage would be save-portability, basically if it is hosted on the server, I can guarantee that any characters will always have access to any and all features, updates etc. Another advantage would be no required download, meaning you can play from ANY device with internet regardless of storage space.
The downside would of course be that if I should ever find myself in a situation where I would not be able to pay for the hosting, the game would essentially be down for everyone. Though, if I do gain support and a couple of people decide to upgrade to premium, I would be able to keep the game going for as long as they decide to stay premium.

So the plan is as follows: Make the current Cheat Mod feature complete, regardless of how long it takes. Then do a RAGS remake of No Haven that would serve as a template for the web version and finally then make a web-version based on the RAGS remake.

 

[DownTheDrain]

I have decided that once I am done with the mod - and mind you v4 is still planned for release this Sunday - I will do a remake. The remake will contain all the images and most of the text from the original, but with optimized coding beneath the hood, to make it easier to provide the features of this cheat mod in a more userfriendly matter and probably more features as well, since having entire control of how the entire game system works means I can design it to be more easily modifiable from the start.

Going by my experience with every RAGS game I ever played it might still be a slow-loading and hard to navigate mess, no matter how optimized the coding, but I'll stop bitching about the engine now.

If you're redoing it from scratch you should probably put some work into the images. For instance, there are very few decent portraits for male player characters while females and futas have plenty. There's also a lot of variety in terms of artwork quality. Since neither you nor the original author could ever acquire the rights to all that art you might as well only rip from the best.

As for the engine of choice, if I were not going to do it in RAGS, I would do it for the web. Probably server hosted with basic package for free and an optional paid premium package. The premium would mostly be for extra character slots and the like and to show me support.

Server hosted? Err... okay... I guess.
Not sure how viable that is but I'm the wrong person to talk to here. I prefer to keep things on my own hard drive for various reasons and I'm not exactly a fan of monthly subscriptions, so I wish you all the best with your plans but that's probably not for me.

 

[Semeicardia]

Going by my experience with every RAGS game I ever played it might still be a slow-loading and hard to navigate mess, no matter how optimized the coding, but I'll stop bitching about the engine now.

If you're redoing it from scratch you should probably put some work into the images. For instance, there are very few decent portraits for male player characters while females and futas have plenty. There's also a lot of variety in terms of artwork quality. Since neither you nor the original author could ever acquire the rights to all that art you might as well only rip from the best.

Well, for the remake, I will mostly forcus on optimizing the underlaying coding pretty much directly porting the text and images. If it turns out people like the RAGS remake, sure I might start removing and adding new images and content.

Server hosted? Err... okay... I guess.
Not sure how viable that is but I'm the wrong person to talk to here. I prefer to keep things on my own hard drive for various reasons and I'm not exactly a fan of monthly subscriptions, so I wish you all the best with your plans but that's probably not for me.

Well, I am going to offer the whole game for free, only limiting the amount of concurrent characters you can have.
The subscription / payment part will be entirely optional. If you are able to get everything you want from the game with one character at a time you would not be required to every pay anything.

Having stuff on your device is fine, but can you deny being able to switch to any device and pretty much just keep playing is a bad feature?
There are down sides and up sides to everything.
But yeah, not every game or every version of a game will be for everything, nor should they be.

 

[DownTheDrain]

Having stuff on your device is fine, but can you deny being able to switch to any device and pretty much just keep playing is a bad feature?

Depends on what we're talking about...
For an app or even a casual game, sure, being able to access it from any device at any time can be convenient.
For an adult experience, however, that's an absolute non-issue for me. I'm not going to pillage, rape and enslave at my workplace or on my phone. This is simply not the kind of title I would ever bother with in a public place.

 

[Zargod]

I finally gave the mod a try.
It could be a tad more user-friendly (adding traits mostly) but I guess that's just RAGS being RAGS.

One small suggestion to Semeicardia on usability:

Unless you're intending to add the ability to remove individual traits (which would of course be nice, but I could see would most likely be an absolute nightmare to implement), the Cheat menu tree could be reduced from Modify>Traits and Aspects>Traits>Add>[A..Z] to Modify>Traits & Aspects>Add Trait>[A..Z]. This is probably one of the more frequently used options, so reducing its menu depth by one would be helpful.

 

[Semeicardia]

One small suggestion to Semeicardia on usability:

Unless you're intending to add the ability to remove individual traits (which would of course be nice, but I could see would most likely be an absolute nightmare to implement), the Cheat menu tree could be reduced from Modify>Traits and Aspects>Traits>Add>[A..Z] to Modify>Traits & Aspects>Add Trait>[A..Z]. This is probably one of the more frequently used options, so reducing its menu depth by one would be helpful.

Noted, I'll try to include it as part of v4.

 

[Nerke]

doesnt work! I tryed Rags 2.4.16 and 2.5.2 but nothing happend

 

[Semeicardia]

doesnt work! I tryed Rags 2.4.16 and 2.5.2 but nothing happend

Try re-downloading it, as it most likely is a corrupt or unfinished download.
I just downloaded my cheat mod with my with my link and it worked just fine.

If re-downloading does not solve the issue, let me know so I can try to guide you through it.

 

[taetaetr]

Could you tell me different benefit from patron beside Mikaela.

 

[Semeicardia]

Could you tell me different benefit from patron beside Mikaela.

Yummybot gives you a free level up.
Blacktouch forces you to play as transformed, gives you a Strong Arm recruiter and names you Nimlith I think
Mirv gives you a unique slaver when starting as Golem Obliterator
Selecting anything but 'Nothing' as patreon name will let you play as transformed, though I have no idea what that entails.

 

[Semeicardia]

V4 Uploaded.

You must be registered to see the links

New Features / Updated features
All regular aspects added
Can change gender and race of yourself, your slavers and your slaves.
Can change profession of yourself, your slavers and your slaves.
Flying mounts should be set based on race of you, your slaver or your slave when giving the flying trait
Can generate amour, clothing and potions
Can generate assignments and remove ALL assignments
Feminization added to body modifications
Can remove unwanted slavers / slaves (NOT yourself for obvious reasons)

This basically means you can create a feminized Male Amazon Human that is an inexperienced Bimbo with a tiny cock and the aspect Bimborn.
That could be game breaking, but would be hilarious.
You can also make anyone oozes and other non-regular races.


Any feature requests for V5?
Currently only an image gallery / image browser is planned for V5.
V5 will probably be the last update until the main game gets updated.

 

[acdcc13433]

V4 Uploaded.

You must be registered to see the links

New Features / Updated features
All regular aspects added
Can change gender and race of yourself, your slavers and your slaves.
Can change profession of yourself, your slavers and your slaves.
Flying mounts should be set based on race of you, your slaver or your slave when giving the flying trait
Can generate amour, clothing and potions
Can generate assignments and remove ALL assignments
Feminization added to body modifications
Can remove unwanted slavers / slaves (NOT yourself for obvious reasons)

This basically means you can create a feminized Male Amazon Human that is an inexperienced Bimbo with a tiny cock and the aspect Bimborn.
That could be game breaking, but would be hilarious.
You can also make anyone oozes and other non-regular races.


Any feature requests for V5?
Currently only an image gallery / image browser is planned for V5.
V5 will probably be the last update until the main game gets updated.

Bug: When i try to add a trait, no menu opens and i cant chose anything in a dropdown or sth like that.
Still great work!

 

[Semeicardia]

Bug: When i try to add a trait, no menu opens and i cant chose anything in a dropdown or sth like that.
Still great work!

You are right, I'll fix it right away. Thank you for letting me know, should have new one posted shortly, stay tuned.

 

[a2znut]

Bug Report: Changing Races to Elves brings up Harpies.
EDIT: Generate Armour/Clothing only gives Slave wear.

 

[Semeicardia]

Bug Report: Changing Races to Elves brings up Harpies.

You are right, I fixed the label for the new fix I am about to upload.

 

[Semeicardia]

v4.1 with fixes for the Harpies list being labeled as Elves fixed and Traits at the right place.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[a2znut]

Bug: File size got smaller by 40mg and missing start screen image.

 

[Semeicardia]

Bug: File size got smaller by 40mg and missing start screen image.

Oh god, you are right! What a nightmare this is! *sigh* erservingface:
I WILL fix this, I WILL survive!