On writing, underage characters

[Deleted member 5606666]

This.
It is what a lot of moral busy bodies have forgotten.
That you can not be good unless you have the option to reject evil.
Speaking of anoying kids.
Remember how quickly we got a killable childeren mod for skyrim?
I remember a debate with someone that wanted a mod that let you spank the big mouths.
I downloaded the killable childeren mod onces and then never again.
As i learned the only reason i wanted to was because i was told i coudnt.
In a game where i was suppose to be able to murder everyone.
Granted the jarls where also unkillable to i downloaded a mod for that too.

As for the op:
Any sexual act that involses small titless bodies is a no go.
No mather the justification.
It is a stupid rule but it is a rule.

They should have allowed you to kill kids, but have it some big consequences. So if you don't you are rewarded with something, nicer weapons for example. And if you kill a few kids, police comes and takes away you BFG2000 or so. Just make it fun. If you continue in the end you only have a small hand gun, or a knife or even only a roe.

So you can go hit kids with a roe. And probably get shot every 10 seconds or so.

A little bit education isn't bad for kids...

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

They should have allowed you to kill kids, but have it some big consequences. So if you don't you are rewarded with something, nicer weapons for example. And if you kill a few kids, police comes and takes away you BFG2000 or so. Just make it fun. If you continue in the end you only have a small hand gun, or a knife or even only a roe.

So you can go hit kids with a roe. And probably get shot every 10 seconds or so.

A little bit education isn't bad for kids...

In the oldest fallout game you could kill kids.
But if you did you got the kids killer trait that made everyone hate you and want you dead.
Just like real life.
I personal think that is a way bigger deterrent then being unable too.
Making it impossible to trade, talk or even sleep because everyone would attack you on sight.

 

[Deleted member 5606666]

In the oldest fallout game you could kill kids.
But if you did you got the kids killer trait that made everyone hate you and want you dead.
Just like real life.
I personal think that is a way bigger deterrent then being unable too.
Making it impossible to trade, talk or even sleep because everyone would attack you on sight.

I never played the game. But I'm glad to hear common sense still ruled in 1997, when the world was still a bit normal.

 

[TessaXYZ]

Absolutely not okay for every single one of your premises.

 

[Nobody Cares]

This.
It is what a lot of moral busy bodies have forgotten.
That you can not be good unless you have the option to reject evil.
Speaking of anoying kids.
Remember how quickly we got a killable childeren mod for skyrim?
I remember a debate with someone that wanted a mod that let you spank the big mouths.
I downloaded the killable childeren mod onces and then never again.
As i learned the only reason i wanted to was because i was told i coudnt.
In a game where i was suppose to be able to murder everyone.
Granted the jarls where also unkillable to i downloaded a mod for that too.

As for the op:
Any sexual act that involses small titless bodies is a no go.
No mather the justification.
It is a stupid rule but it is a rule.

I know, but I'm horrified at the idea of what the trolls would do with the children in rdr 2 on youtube, seeing what they do to the suffragettes.

Also, I'll respect that rule, it costs me nothing. I love tits with fanatical devotion.

 

[Nobody Cares]

I never played the game. But I'm glad to hear common sense still ruled in 1997, when the world was still a bit normal.

Fallout 2 was just awesome, and yeah, I think they handled it the optimal way. Perhaps it was more tollerable because the game had very basic graphics. As a parent I think watching a child die is always traumatising, even in a game.

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

trolls

Trolls arent human and shoudnt be considered in anything.

 

[Cryswar]

f95 rules are one thing, but if you're making a game, any of OP's examples would get you permanently banned from Steam and Patreon if/when they found out.

I would worry about that a lot more than f95. You can make money without f95, but losing those two puts you in a much tougher spot.

There are options that allow nearly-unrestricted loli, like dlsite and substar, but your potential is much lower.

 

[Hadley]

A few hundred years ago, people were lucky to live to 30, so it was more common for brides to be a little younger.

That is complete bullshit. First of all, it was closer to 55-60 and second of all the average is lower because many babies/children didn't survive. So if you ignored all the child-death the average would be higher.

And last: Any girl older than 15 is basically an adult for me. Age of consent in most countries is 14.

 

[Network 34 Games]

Of course, I was greatly simplifying. I had no desire to write an essay on populations 200 years ago. lol

I guess a line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere and stuck to otherwise it will eventually be nudged further and further toward a time when depicting someone whose age is in the single digits is commonplace. Something I'm sure most of us don't want. (I say most because... well. it's the interweb and there will always be THAT minority sadly)

As I said before. Personly I just avoid that minefield completely in my story.

 

[Greiya Archives]

Senjougahara "Araragi-kun, why are you fondling the chest of that little girl?"
A "No, you see, it's not what it looks like, she's actually a 900 year old vampire, Kissshot Acerolaorion Heartunderblade, and you see, she's just drinking my blood, it's - uhm, necessary to, um, -"

Kanbaru "Just what I'd expect from my senpai!"
Karen "That's my big brother for you! He doesn't abide by social conventions!"
A "No! don't sound impressed you two!"

Hachikuji "Arararagi-senpai, you should have higher criteria for who can join your harem."
A "We never established that I have a harem!"

Sengoku "Kyomi-onee-chan! If you're going to fondle a younger girl's chest, then fondle mine instead!"
Hanekawa "You mustn't Sengoku-kun! You're underage too, you know!"

 

[kintarodev]

There are many animes presenting that kind of sceneario of 'cursed character looking like a "midget" '

My advice, unless you live in Japan where laws are more 'lax' when it's about fiction works, stay out of trouble and just do something else.

And of course, games, specially those involving guns are full of hypocrisy, but neither of us will change that...

Either way, there are many adults over legal age with no boobs at all, so neither I think we should say that that bodytype is not allowed In any case, should be clearly stated that they are an adult.

 

[Nobody Cares]

There are many animes presenting that kind of sceneario of 'cursed character looking like a "midget" '

My advice, unless you live in Japan where laws are more 'lax' when it's about fiction works, stay out of trouble and just do something else.

And of course, games, specially those involving guns are full of hypocrisy, but neither of us will change that...

Either way, there are many adults over legal age with no boobs at all, so neither I think we should say that that bodytype is not allowed In any case, should be clearly stated that they are an adult.

Yeah and it does not work. Mostly because they have the immortal vampire or ancient demon acting like a child. That is because having a loli is an end, the plot device is a mean. What I was considering was the opposite. But in the end I won't, it is in poor taste and would definetely give the wrong impression to my audiance... and the authorities.

 

[Krynh]

A few hundred years ago, people were lucky to live to 30, so it was more common for brides to be a little younger.

It was actually just surviving birth and childhood. If you managed that then you had a good chance of living past 30

 

[Nobody Cares]

It was actually just surviving birth and childhood. If you managed that then you had a good chance of living past 30

Correct, childcare the avarage lifespan if you survived your childhood in Italy in the year 1000 or so was about 60-65 years, reaching your 80s was rarer than today but not that uncommun.

The reason why people married younger was mostly to protect them. It made sense back then. Marriage was more about building a family than love, even if love was part of the equation. Nowadays with birth control and advanced medicine, marrying so young is anachronistic, like starting a fire in your living room.

 

[Zorlond]

marrying so young is anachronistic, like starting a fire in your living room.

It would only be anachronistic if you didn't have a fireplace/wood stove in your living room. And, carrying the metaphor, marrying so young really shouldn't be that much of a problem if (and only if) the situation is properly prepared for.

As for OP, I'm of the view that 'as long as it's all fiction, it's all fair game' (though I stay far away from any fiction where abuse is involved, I'm far more into mutually loving relationships, but that's just personal taste). I really don't get why people get hung up on this. If the specific people involved do not actually physically exist in our reality, then who's being hurt?

 

[Deleted member 5606666]

There is something to say about making underage sex stories forbidden. Same with all the other 'fetishes', if you cannot see them, don't experience them, you will not think about them, you will not develop a longing for them. This of course isn't 100%. But if you never heard of anal sex, never seen it, would you be thinking about it? Or oral sex? You probably would think it's disgusting. But now we have pornhub etc, and can 24/7 see anal and oral sex or almost any other fetish. I would suggest, that you would want to try it out, what you have seen enough times.

Just thinking about it 20 years back and now, it seems to be normal for a male to have a dick in his ass. 20 years back you would be called a faggot. Or even one step further, the golden shower, and more disgusting those japanese shit'ers and other disgusting things they do like 2 girls and a cup or so and than pixelate the normal sexual behaviour. Crazy country.

But then I think the age of underage is difficult. I mean one country says 15/16, the other says 21 before you are allowed to drink. I would actually suggest the same with voting, only be allowed to vote, if you have paid taxes for at least 1 year. So you know what you vote for, and so you won't be voting for parties that give free stuff to not deserving individuals, and at the same time increase taxes and make life for the working class miserable.

But that's things that have changed over the decades. We cannot even imagine going back. Going back to what? Going back to the time segregation between black and white was a normal thing?

What I try to say with this, is where do you put the line? At least I would suggest a 40 year old man wanting to have sex with an 8 year old, is a good candidate for a chemical castration or locking him up and throwing away the key. But then you hear more and more stories about how normal it is to be raped as a child in those elite rich families, they have enough money, to bribe everyone involved and it will never see the light of day. And those stories have been going on for generations.

An other stories was the time when blaspheme was made to not be punishable. And when that happened some stupid writers started to make stories insulting god. Was that necessary? But then again if it's fantasy, where to put the line?

Just my thoughs on a rather difficult topic...

 

[Nobody Cares]

There is something to say about making underage sex stories forbidden. Same with all the other 'fetishes', if you cannot see them, don't experience them, you will not think about them, you will not develop a longing for them. This of course isn't 100%. But if you never heard of anal sex, never seen it, would you be thinking about it? Or oral sex? You probably would think it's disgusting. But now we have pornhub etc, and can 24/7 see anal and oral sex or almost any other fetish. I would suggest, that you would want to try it out, what you have seen enough times.

Just thinking about it 20 years back and now, it seems to be normal for a male to have a dick in his ass. 20 years back you would be called a faggot. Or even one step further, the golden shower, and more disgusting those japanese shit'ers and other disgusting things they do like 2 girls and a cup or so and than pixelate the normal sexual behaviour. Crazy country.

But then I think the age of underage is difficult. I mean one country says 15/16, the other says 21 before you are allowed to drink. I would actually suggest the same with voting, only be allowed to vote, if you have paid taxes for at least 1 year. So you know what you vote for, and so you won't be voting for parties that give free stuff to not deserving individuals, and at the same time increase taxes and make life for the working class miserable.

But that's things that have changed over the decades. We cannot even imagine going back. Going back to what? Going back to the time segregation between black and white was a normal thing?

What I try to say with this, is where do you put the line? At least I would suggest a 40 year old man wanting to have sex with an 8 year old, is a good candidate for a chemical castration or locking him up and throwing away the key. But then you hear more and more stories about how normal it is to be raped as a child in those elite rich families, they have enough money, to bribe everyone involved and it will never see the light of day. And those stories have been going on for generations.

An other stories was the time when blaspheme was made to not be punishable. And when that happened some stupid writers started to make stories insulting god. Was that necessary? But then again if it's fantasy, where to put the line?

Just my thoughs on a rather difficult topic...

Excellent summery and beautifully put.

IMHO the line should be somewhere. I don't know precisely where, but somewhere. This discussion helped me understand that it is better to stay ten meters behind it than go one centimetre over it and that is where I'm going to stay.

 

[Zorlond]

There is something to say about making underage sex stories forbidden. Same with all the other 'fetishes', if you cannot see them, don't experience them, you will not think about them, you will not develop a longing for them. This of course isn't 100%. But if you never heard of anal sex, never seen it, would you be thinking about it? Or oral sex? You probably would think it's disgusting. But now we have pornhub etc, and can 24/7 see anal and oral sex or almost any other fetish. I would suggest, that you would want to try it out, what you have seen enough times.

Unfortunately, there is an underlying flaw in this reasoning, and it's a major flaw. The flaw is the assumption that anything you see becomes something you would want to try.

I can tell you right now, this does not happen. For instance, you bring up anal sex. I have seen women receive anal sex, reacting positively to it, and even cum from it. And I can tell you right now, I have no interest in performing anal sex. Not giving, not receiving. No matter how much it comes up (and let's face it, anal sex is a popular fetish), I have not changed in my disinterest. Sure, if I happen to love a woman and she really wants me in her bum, I would at least attempt it, but exclusively only because I care for her and want her to enjoy our time together. I would never suggest it myself. I'm not even sure I would physiologically be capable of performing the act. (yes, that is a thing)

And unfortunately, this flaw comes up attached to many other arguments of various topics that I've seen over the decades. It has never held up. 'Violent video games make people violent'. There's been actual scientific studies that definitively kill that claim. 'Dungeons & Dragons is a gateway to satanism'. Old 80's religious paranoia in it's prime. 'Homosexuality can be cured by forcing the gay to watch straight porn'. Yeah, they really tried this, even Clockwork Orange style, was completely pointless and ineffective torture.

The bottom line is what you see does not necessarily become what you do, and it never has been. You might become aware of a fetish you didn't know you had before, but it absolutely cannot create interest in that fetish from nothing. Want another example? Urethra play. Watch enough hentai, I guarantee you'll see it show up on your screen. And I'll thank you to stay the hell out of my urethra, thank you.

 

[Deleted member 440241]

Unfortunately, there is an underlying flaw in this reasoning, and it's a major flaw. The flaw is the assumption that anything you see becomes something you would want to try.

I can tell you right now, this does not happen. For instance, you bring up anal sex. I have seen women receive anal sex, reacting positively to it, and even cum from it. And I can tell you right now, I have no interest in performing anal sex. Not giving, not receiving. No matter how much it comes up (and let's face it, anal sex is a popular fetish), I have not changed in my disinterest. Sure, if I happen to love a woman and she really wants me in her bum, I would at least attempt it, but exclusively only because I care for her and want her to enjoy our time together. I would never suggest it myself. I'm not even sure I would physiologically be capable of performing the act. (yes, that is a thing)

And unfortunately, this flaw comes up attached to many other arguments of various topics that I've seen over the decades. It has never held up. 'Violent video games make people violent'. There's been actual scientific studies that definitively kill that claim. 'Dungeons & Dragons is a gateway to satanism'. Old 80's religious paranoia in it's prime. 'Homosexuality can be cured by forcing the gay to watch straight porn'. Yeah, they really tried this, even Clockwork Orange style, was completely pointless and ineffective torture.

The bottom line is what you see does not necessarily become what you do, and it never has been. You might become aware of a fetish you didn't know you had before, but it absolutely cannot create interest in that fetish from nothing. Want another example? Urethra play. Watch enough hentai, I guarantee you'll see it show up on your screen. And I'll thank you to stay the hell out of my urethra, thank you.

There's another side to this flaw. People who don't know what they want will experiment to find what's missing. Somebody tried anal sex first. Not having these fetishes out there won't stop people from finding them. But at least depicting them in fictional porn can provide the release needed to avoid pursuing their interests in real life. There is a correlation between porn becoming more common and sexual crimes becoming less common. Not sure if there's a causal link, but it's certainly possible.