VN Ren'Py Completed Once a Porn a Time [Ch.2 v1.0.2] [Salty01]

[Dorayn]

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Hello!
I rarely post two announcements in a row, but I think this time it’s necessary!
First of all, thank you for the warm welcome you gave our new Tinker!
The upcoming OPT is getting a major artistic overhaul, and it’s great to see that you’re enjoying the work we’re doing.
BUT — and this is why I’m making today’s post — a lot of people think our new Tinker is just an AI-generated image. I hesitated at first about whether I should respond, but I’d rather build a relationship based on trust with you, and (even if it breaks the magic a bit) show you the real work that goes into creating such polished characters

I managed to dig up as much as I could from our early creation steps — it’s been a while, I have to admit (we actually started working on this new Tinker back in 2024~).

We do a lot of pose research before finalizing a character — aside from the face, it’s really in the pose that you start to feel the soul and personality of a character.

For a NSFW game, color is something especially important.
(Yes, I know — the naked characters matter too xD — but color sets the mood and the overall harmony.)
It’s our job to make sure everything feels just right… so that you never even notice it!

Yeah, it’s silly, but we just added a single layer for the eye highlights — and it gives this amazing effect ~ Personally, I never get tired of it

And here, you can see how many layers we’re working with!
Yep, our files are massive — but don’t worry, we’ve got good hard drives too, ahah!

To wrap things up, I think it’s fair to say we really care about what we create.
We’re genuinely trying to deliver a high level of visual quality for the upcoming OPT — and we’re giving it everything we’ve got to get there.
( That said, I’m telling you now: I’m not doing this full presentation for every single character! Ahah )
But honestly, in a time where more and more 2D games (And especially for NSFW games) just generate a random AI-made character and call it a day, we felt it was important to show you how we do things, properly.
That’s it! Thanks a lot, and have a great day!
Bye ~

Well, kudos to you offering a look behind the curtain. But, I'm afraid, it didn't manage to dispell my suspicion entirely. I will provide why.

For that I ask you to just look up any female.. picture made with generated AI. Focus on those details:

Eyes - shape, volume
Cheeks - sharpness, colouration
Nose - Shape, colouration
Mouth - Form, shape of the smile, lips, colour
Chin - pointyness, jawline

You will find many generated pictures that have many of the elements you showcase with your new tinkerbell. Big eyes, bright coloured iris. Light red, smooth cheeks with freckles. Small stubby nose, light red at the tip, small to no bridge. Reddish, smooth lips. Sharp clear jawline, small pointy chin.

This might be coincidence. I give you that. But it would be a rather odd one. This could also mean that you edit the generated picture heavily, with just the examplatory template being generated.If you and your art team are truely innocent, I am sorry. But that well is utterly poisoned, sadly.

Good luck with your project.

 

[johnathandarkly]

yer not artists are ya

those eyes arent very complex just have a nice candy gradient or two

 

[magnaadsecia]

Lotta haters in this thread complaining about a game they're basically getting for free and casting aspersions on a dev who's being way more open and transparent about their process than almost any other.

If you don't like the game or the art, there's plenty of other threads with plenty of other games you can "enjoy" in whatever way you want to.

Salty, your art is cute and the changes are, imo, a positive development. Thanks for sharing this with us. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next with this game and picking it all up on Steam once it's done.

 

[Perniciousducks]

Well, kudos to you offering a look behind the curtain. But, I'm afraid, it didn't manage to dispell my suspicion entirely. I will provide why.

For that I ask you to just look up any female.. picture made with generated AI. Focus on those details:

Eyes - shape, volume
Cheeks - sharpness, colouration
Nose - Shape, colouration
Mouth - Form, shape of the smile, lips, colour
Chin - pointyness, jawline

You will find many generated pictures that have many of the elements you showcase with your new tinkerbell. Big eyes, bright coloured iris. Light red, smooth cheeks with freckles. Small stubby nose, light red at the tip, small to no bridge. Reddish, smooth lips. Sharp clear jawline, small pointy chin.

This might be coincidence. I give you that. But it would be a rather odd one. This could also mean that you edit the generated picture heavily, with just the examplatory template being generated.If you and your art team are truely innocent, I am sorry. But that well is utterly poisoned, sadly.

Good luck with your project.

none of these are signs of AI. Have you ever actually used AI to generate anything or is this just “I saw something on the internet now I’m going to pretend I’m an expert despite no practical knowledge.”?

It would take longer and more work to use AI to create the layers in the editing software than it would to build it from scratch. Your accusations make no sense.

 

[Karnewarrior]

Calling out human-drawn artwork as AI is the hit new thing these days. Kinda like how back in 2010 anything not present in your daily life was photoshopped.

I remember old Youtube comments just like that on videos of like, shooting stars and tigers doing giant leaps and shit.

I think some people just want to feel like they know something others don't, and they're not smart enough to do it the normal way of actually figuring things out because they lower the average IQ of any room they enter, so they pretend something real is fake so they can jerk themselves off about it.

 

[someyoungguy]

Claiming features that have been popular to a variety of styles of 2D animation for at least half a century are indicative of AI is definitely a take of all time

 

[Ratnedalu]

Calling out human-drawn artwork as AI is the hit new thing these days. Kinda like how back in 2010 anything not present in your daily life was photoshopped.

I remember old Youtube comments just like that on videos of like, shooting stars and tigers doing giant leaps and shit.

I think some people just want to feel like they know something others don't, and they're not smart enough to do it the normal way of actually figuring things out because they lower the average IQ of any room they enter, so they pretend something real is fake so they can jerk themselves off about it.

Oh, oh, remember the trend of taking [X] song and applying by [Y god of genre z] to it and reposting it on YouTube? I hate that one. Like, for instance, they'd take a random reggae song, or metal song, and attribute it it Bob Marley or Ozzy. Like "Red Red Wine", or something bizarre and clearly wrong, as just a troll thing.

 

[Ratnedalu]

Lotta haters in this thread complaining about a game they're basically getting for free and casting aspersions on a dev who's being way more open and transparent about their process than almost any other.

If you don't like the game or the art, there's plenty of other threads with plenty of other games you can "enjoy" in whatever way you want to.

Salty, your art is cute and the changes are, imo, a positive development. Thanks for sharing this with us. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next with this game and picking it all up on Steam once it's done.

Allow me to take the middle of the ground, here, then; it's great art but it's just not the kinda style I'd connect to a Disney Princess trainer, and it's also a little farfetched from the original art style.

So is it good art? Heck yeah. But idunno, it does strike a weird chord, like when Amity Park started drawing Danny Phantom characters in anime style. As its own thing, in its own game? Love to see it. (DO NOT get any ideas, Salty! FOCUS!)

 

[goblinraider]

Well, kudos to you offering a look behind the curtain. But, I'm afraid, it didn't manage to dispell my suspicion entirely. I will provide why.

For that I ask you to just look up any female.. picture made with generated AI. Focus on those details:

Eyes - shape, volume
Cheeks - sharpness, colouration
Nose - Shape, colouration
Mouth - Form, shape of the smile, lips, colour
Chin - pointyness, jawline

You will find many generated pictures that have many of the elements you showcase with your new tinkerbell. Big eyes, bright coloured iris. Light red, smooth cheeks with freckles. Small stubby nose, light red at the tip, small to no bridge. Reddish, smooth lips. Sharp clear jawline, small pointy chin.

This might be coincidence. I give you that. But it would be a rather odd one. This could also mean that you edit the generated picture heavily, with just the examplatory template being generated.If you and your art team are truely innocent, I am sorry. But that well is utterly poisoned, sadly.

Good luck with your project.

You must be a reddit moderator on r/art. You do know that AI modules are trained on the art of real people to get those features, right?

Allow me to take the middle of the ground, here, then; it's great art but it's just not the kinda style I'd connect to a Disney Princess trainer, and it's also a little farfetched from the original art style.

So is it good art? Heck yeah. But idunno, it does strike a weird chord, like when Amity Park started drawing Danny Phantom characters in anime style. As its own thing, in its own game? Love to see it. (DO NOT get any ideas, Salty! FOCUS!)

That's the steam censored version (Disney names/looks removed) of Tinker, not the blonde Tinkerbell patrons get access to (at least in the first two games).

 

[Ratnedalu]

You must be a reddit moderator on r/art. You do know that AI modules are trained on the art of real people to get those features, right?


That's the steam censored version (Disney names/looks removed) of Tinker, not the blonde Tinkerbell patrons get access to (at least in the first two games).

Wasn't even talkin' about hair color, just the general style was a lot more detailed/realistic, and it's a lot different from both the OG art and the typical Disney style.

 

[Rare_Marionberry_784]

How does one actually apply the Patreon code for either part?

 

[Dorayn]

none of these are signs of AI. Have you ever actually used AI to generate anything or is this just “I saw something on the internet now I’m going to pretend I’m an expert despite no practical knowledge.”?

Funny how those - somehow - come up in nigh every female generated picture. Just a coincidence, right? Are you familiar with the concept of comparing similarities to each other to construct an argument? I guess you have seen some arguments online and now deem yourself an expert in making a point. See how easy it is to just dismiss something?

Calling out human-drawn artwork as AI is the hit new thing these days. Kinda like how back in 2010 anything not present in your daily life was photoshopped.

I remember old Youtube comments just like that on videos of like, shooting stars and tigers doing giant leaps and shit.

I think some people just want to feel like they know something others don't, and they're not smart enough to do it the normal way of actually figuring things out because they lower the average IQ of any room they enter, so they pretend something real is fake so they can jerk themselves off about it.

I provided the argument for the why. If you can't understand that, you shouldn't talk about someone else's IQ.

You must be a reddit moderator on r/art. You do know that AI modules are trained on the art of real people to get those features, right?

I'm not and I'm aware. Plus that they construct mush and start to cannibalise each other. It's still suspicious that something advertised as authentic art - somehow - hits all the mush a generated picture would produce. Which I aknowledged and accounted for.

Did you guys read and understand my full comment or are you busy just being contrarian? Should I put it into bold letters, that I am aware that my claim can be wrong because OP came forward and showed the process of how the art was made?

 

[Sci-fi-fan100]

Hey salty - the Paterson version of Chapter 2 is still missing the Sherezade reward scene from completing Jasmine's questline.
Also, your porters for the Android version of it seem to have left a bug in it that means the game crashes to the home screen when the epilogue reaches the orgy at the brothel.

I still believe that these issues should be fixed first before Chapter 3 starts production.

 

[malcolmalbie]

Funny how those - somehow - come up in nigh every female generated picture. Just a coincidence, right?

I'd like for you to find similarly styled art, from before LLM image generation, where those features appear.

 

[Perniciousducks]

Funny how those - somehow - come up in nigh every female generated picture. Just a coincidence, right? Are you familiar with the concept of comparing similarities to each other to construct an argument? I guess you have seen some arguments online and now deem yourself an expert in making a point. See how easy it is to just dismiss something?


I provided the argument for the why. If you can't understand that, you shouldn't talk about someone else's IQ.


I'm not and I'm aware. Plus that they construct mush and start to cannibalise each other. It's still suspicious that something advertised as authentic art - somehow - hits all the mush a generated picture would produce. Which I aknowledged and accounted for.

Did you guys read and understand my full comment or are you busy just being contrarian? Should I put it into bold letters, that I am aware that my claim can be wrong because OP came forward and showed the process of how the art was made?

You provided your argument for why, but that argument has stupid premises. The signs of AI are not that they are those styles, those are the styles that AI art is trained on, of course it will mimic them. The signs of AI are the issues with the output, and you listed exactly 0 of those.

Your analysis is bad and you should feel bad.

 

[Josh M Spicer]

Lotta haters in this thread complaining about a game they're basically getting for free and casting aspersions on a dev who's being way more open and transparent about their process than almost any other.

There was only like two or three my guy. Jumping immediately to the "getting for free so just consume never complain" statement is unnecessary and honestly feels more like defending someone who wasn't even getting a lotta flack.

If you don't like the game or the art, there's plenty of other threads with plenty of other games you can "enjoy" in whatever way you want to.

Or let people criticize stuff. Them getting a product "basically" for free (when a lotta the time people [like me] are also patrons for the developer while still perusing F95) does not mean they're suddenly immune from criticism.

 

[Josh M Spicer]

I admit I was pretty suspicious of the new art and thought it immediately seemed like AI. I didn't outright say anything because A. I trusted Salty enough not to need to do that and B. because a lotta artist's styles oftentimes nowadays look like the style that AI produces, but that's just the art style they've had for years (another reason I got suspicious given it looks different from what I'm used to).

I also don't know enough about art and the specifics of digital drawing to say it is AI given the evidence posted so I'll believe it's not at face value.

 

[Perniciousducks]

I admit I was pretty suspicious of the new art and thought it immediately seemed like AI. I didn't outright say anything because A. I trusted Salty enough not to need to do that and B. because a lotta artist's styles oftentimes nowadays look like the style that AI produces, but that's just the art style they've had for years (another reason I got suspicious given it looks different from what I'm used to).

I also don't know enough about art and the specifics of digital drawing to say it is AI given the evidence posted so I'll believe it's not at face value.

In my experience, If AI was involved, they used it as a ref or possibly traced it. AI doesn’t give you the layers they have. Why you would do that is beyond me? It takes as much if not more work to recreate and properly break apart an AI image than to just art it yourself. There are some oddities, but none are what tweedle dum listed above.

 

[congamensch]

The signs of AI are not that they are those styles, those are the styles that AI art is trained on, of course it will mimic them.

Agreed and quoted for visibility. As an aside, I also recall the artist

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being accused of being an AI artist because of their art, when anyone who'd been following them for years knew that was just how their art looked like.

 

[Karnewarrior]

Also, the argument was that the girl they drew had a feminine chin, nose, and eyes.

That's it. That's the whole argument. The girl looks girly.

Bro is on his schizophrenia arc.