VN Ren'Py Origin Story [v0.4.0] [JDOR]

[Hungover00]

Yet, the MC isn't offended by her actions in the slightest. He's aware of Parker's sexual lifestyle and respects it. So there's really no problem. She meant no offense and he took no offense.

She's a cougar. She's into young men and MC is into cougars. That's literally what that scene was meant to portray.

Have you considered the possibility that the MC's motivation could do with some punch up/editing to make it more believable? There's lots of times a character in a story does something and the audience thinks it's not warranted or the wrong choice.

If that's what the scene was meant to portray, 95% of us don't care if it is in a scene that isn't a birthday party. People aren't bitching about the guys brought home after a night out (at least not as many). It is specifically stepping out at a special event.

At this point I hope that she's an anti-hero/villain so we can still like the character, and question certain actions. Because she's fun as hell as a character. But that particular action was suspect. Like when she aggressively debriefed (espionage, not pants) MC over what he'd seen at the superhero base. I assume she's been secretive about MCs parents, and we'll find out later what she's been holding back.

There's a reason in my playthrough I didn't lose MCs virginity to Moonsong, because that would have been shitty of him too. There's a time and a place to indulge lust, and if you don't control yourself, it's going to be problematic. But if your timing is better the seas will be much calmer.

 

[Hungover00]

Ok. You went and decided it was bad, and then tried to find a reason for it to be bad.

If you do the opposite, decide it isn't bad and then discover why it isn't, you'll understand.

The fact is, that is HER way of being. That's who SHE is. The scene is there, not in spite of it, but, because of it.

What you are doing is superimposing a judgement based on YOUR bias. The "Being in a family gathering" doesn't matter, she is completely free of obligations and quite capable of making her own decisions, based on her wants and needs, not yours.

Again, you are not seeing her as someone independent and free, you are judging her as if she has obligations of any kind to respect or oblige anyone. She took 10-15 minutes to herself, and then she was present for the rest. She had all the rights to do so.

This is what is going on. Not your fantasies of what you think it is. Sorry to break it to you, but she is absolutely right.

Peace

I believe that's called the social contract. We all have obligations and responsibilities to be respectful and kind until a situation becomes too extreme to break that contract. Don't spit in my face, don't hit people, yelling at people isn't cool, neither is insulting people (especially those considered 'friends'). Disappearing at a closed loved ones event is low-key shitty. Maybe you have a good reason, maybe you have an addiction, maybe you're not a good person.

These are obligations most people opt into, so they have closer relationships. If their behaviour opts out of it, then they probably don't deserve to be close to others, or held in any esteem.

 

[Golzd]

Let's talk about Evelyn's power because it seems that some people are still confused by it (and a small few are outright offended by it).

This is going to be a somewhat deep-dive so a lot of it is going to be put in spoilers, but it needs to be put out there because I see wildly incorrect statements about her power all the time akin to that guy who said "Evelyn gets mentally fucked by anyone she touches!" This isn't how it works, and I'll explain why.

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I disagree with the last one, and also the much discussed waiter scene, but you know...... i can not say what i think it is .....

 

[enzo ferrari]

Let's talk about Evelyn's power because it seems that some people are still confused by it (and a small few are outright offended by it).

This is going to be a somewhat deep-dive so a lot of it is going to be put in spoilers, but it needs to be put out there because I see wildly incorrect statements about her power all the time akin to that guy who said "Evelyn gets mentally fucked by anyone she touches!" This isn't how it works, and I'll explain why.

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what is bathroom whore superpower?

 

[e6mill]

what is bathroom whore superpower?

Her power is to let snowflakes know they should've turned on safe mode at the beginning rather than complaining because they didn't.

 

[Hungover00]

Le sigh.

 

[katabasi]

keep up the good work

 

[e6mill]

I mean, I thought this was pretty clear...

 

[Agent_Sloth]

Wow, all this over a quick scene with Parker hooking up with a rando in a flashback when she was not in a relationship with anyone at the time...weird.
While here I am more annoyed that the MC gets ditched on the side of the road by Steel and he sits his ass down and sulks and doesn't just start walking home or even better calls Todd for a lift home getting Steel in massive trouble for her choice of punishments.
But seriously the MC just acts like the writer is 15 with some of the choices of his dialogue it's a little painful, but at least it's all in good fun so far. lol

 

[Hungover00]

Wow, all this over a quick scene with Parker hooking up with a rando in a flashback when she was not in a relationship with anyone at the time...weird.
While here I am more annoyed that the MC gets ditched on the side of the road by Steel and he sits his ass down and sulks and doesn't just start walking home or even better calls Todd for a lift home getting Steel in massive trouble for her choice of punishments.
But seriously the MC just acts like the writer is 15 with some of the choices of his dialogue it's a little painful, but at least it's all in good fun so far. lol

Yeah, Steel could have gotten some real blowback for ditching her bodyguard duties for that little scene. Especially when MC shows up with bruises.

But in his defence, he likely expected that Ruth would come back and it was a temporary punishment. IIRC, it was just a flash of images, so we can't be sure. But he knows she's temperamental, but also has a sense of duty. So that felt like within bounds of expected behaviour.

 

[FatGiant]

I believe that's called the social contract. We all have obligations and responsibilities to be respectful and kind until a situation becomes too extreme to break that contract. Don't spit in my face, don't hit people, yelling at people isn't cool, neither is insulting people (especially those considered 'friends'). Disappearing at a closed loved ones event is low-key shitty. Maybe you have a good reason, maybe you have an addiction, maybe you're not a good person.

These are obligations most people opt into, so they have closer relationships. If their behaviour opts out of it, then they probably don't deserve to be close to others, or held in any esteem.

Let's see.

You went to a restaurant, with your family and best friends. At some point, you felt a need to relieve yourself. But, you DON'T. You have to stay at the table, or it is disrespectful to simply excuse yourself and leave to take care of it. Right?

No. No you do not do that. You politely excuse yourself and go take care of it.

Oh, the problem is because of the nature of the need? Because it is sexual? Or, because it was a woman doing it?

Now, we have to classify needs, according to your rating of it? These are important, these aren't... Or, is it that because she is a woman, she needs to forgo any thought of relief and simply stay there and endure the discomfort? Because, you don't recognize her right to self determination to do what she wants when she wants?

Disappearing, was so shitty, that the birthday boy, the MC, went after her too, to take care of his own need. That's why you even find out that it happened. He can do it. She can't. So what if the need is different, it is still a need, it is still felt and it is still meaningless.

Please spare me the morals. What this is is pure and simple misogyny. You simply aren't used to have it thrown back at you.

Relax. You can refuse her later. Or, don't... No one really cares what you do.

Peace

 

[JJJ84]

A bit late getting around to the update (didn't realize the update was out until yesterday lol).
Oh well, better late than never.

And Jacquesdor, congrats on another really fine update.
It was solid and I enjoyed it a lot; while it terms of main story (i.e. conspiracy, the main antagonists, why the antagonists want MC etc), it didn't really move much, I think there were huge leaps in the characterizations, particularly with Ruth (Lady Steel) & Amber (and we got a glimpse of what Amber may look like, nice!).
Though ngl, I did really like Ghostraven and Coldsnap appearances too.


Not sure I have as many questions with this update as previous, but here we go;

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All in all, great update once again.
Have to say, there's a lot of Superhero themed games in the AVN-sphere, but I do think this game is cream of the crop in that genre.

 

[Dark Silence]

misogyny

I know that word! Only it had "ist" at the end. All because some Dudley Do Right said: "it doesn't matter if the woman is married to you or dating you. It's her body and she can do what she wants. You're just a domineering misogynist." I asked him if he knew how relationships worked and that's when he decided to be a child and started calling me names. I laughed my ass off and he went straight to The List.

 

[e6mill]

7) Not a question, but a reaction. There's couple of good Wing-woman in AVN-sphere, but I have to say Ruth (Lady Steel) is right at the top up there with the best of the best.

Yes, I concur that it's Lady Steel you want when it comes to knowledge relating to picking up chicks.

 

[Hungover00]

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[Hungover00]

Let's see.

You went to a restaurant, with your family and best friends. At some point, you felt a need to relieve yourself. But, you DON'T. You have to stay at the table, or it is disrespectful to simply excuse yourself and leave to take care of it. Right?

No. No you do not do that. You politely excuse yourself and go take care of it.

Oh, the problem is because of the nature of the need? Because it is sexual? Or, because it was a woman doing it?

Now, we have to classify needs, according to your rating of it? These are important, these aren't... Or, is it that because she is a woman, she needs to forgo any thought of relief and simply stay there and endure the discomfort? Because, you don't recognize her right to self determination to do what she wants when she wants?

Disappearing, was so shitty, that the birthday boy, the MC, went after her too, to take care of his own need. That's why you even find out that it happened. He can do it. She can't. So what if the need is different, it is still a need, it is still felt and it is still meaningless.

Please spare me the morals. What this is is pure and simple misogyny. You simply aren't used to have it thrown back at you.

Relax. You can refuse her later. Or, don't... No one really cares what you do.

Peace

You use 'Peace' very aggressively.

A lot seems to have to be ignored just so you can happily call people out for misogyny. I'm not in the state to fight you point by point, but you're wrong. It's not because it's a woman doing it. It's easy to go back through my recent posts and see that. But I'm a straw-person to you, so whatever.

Going to take a piss (a basic human need) isn't the same as indulging a personal indulgence (you aren't going to wet the floor and your outfit by not fucking the waiter). Comparing the two is dishonest.

Parker can fuck whoever she wants, but some judgement about the when and where would bring her closer to societal norms. If she doesn't want to abide by those norms, she won't be respected by them. I don't think it's quite as extreme as that, just she was kinda shitty one night, and that is a single piece of evidence of what kind of person she is. For those that had MC not abide to the pact and fuck around, that's really shitty too. If the MC had left the table to fuck someone and it was Parker or her Daughter's special day, yeah, he's the ass in this situation.

I like Parker. Look forward to more of her. She's sus as hell, maybe part of some insurgency, and that's even better. But my only point is she could have delayed 1 day to fuck the waiter. Find a more elegant time. Grab digits and sort it out after the birthday dinner. Not saying she shouldn't get some strange to spice up her day, just...don't when it's your semi-adoptive kids BD? Like, if your parents split, and one of your parents dragged you out and then decided to abandon you to go hook up with a random, how would that make you feel? This is a smaller version of that. It's inconsiderate. They shouldn't be burnt at the stake or abandoned, but the behaviour could and should be called out as hurtful to others. Are they allowed to do it? Of course. But there are consequences for selfish actions, and that's people don't like to be around selfish people.

 

[Jericho85]

You use 'Peace' very aggressively.

A lot seems to have to be ignored just so you can happily call people out for misogyny. I'm not in the state to fight you point by point, but you're wrong. It's not because it's a woman doing it. It's easy to go back through my recent posts and see that. But I'm a straw-person to you, so whatever.

Going to take a piss (a basic human need) isn't the same as indulging a personal indulgence (you aren't going to wet the floor and your outfit by not fucking the waiter). Comparing the two is dishonest.

Parker can fuck whoever she wants, but some judgement about the when and where would bring her closer to societal norms. If she doesn't want to abide by those norms, she won't be respected by them. I don't think it's quite as extreme as that, just she was kinda shitty one night, and that is a single piece of evidence of what kind of person she is. For those that had MC not abide to the pact and fuck around, that's really shitty too. If the MC had left the table to fuck someone and it was Parker or her Daughter's special day, yeah, he's the ass in this situation.

I like Parker. Look forward to more of her. She's sus as hell, maybe part of some insurgency, and that's even better. But my only point is she could have delayed 1 day to fuck the waiter. Find a more elegant time. Grab digits and sort it out after the birthday dinner. Not saying she shouldn't get some strange to spice up her day, just...don't when it's your semi-adoptive kids BD? Like, if your parents split, and one of your parents dragged you out and then decided to abandon you to go hook up with a random, how would that make you feel? This is a smaller version of that. It's inconsiderate. They shouldn't be burnt at the stake or abandoned, but the behaviour could and should be called out as hurtful to others. Are they allowed to do it? Of course. But there are consequences for selfish actions, and that's people don't like to be around selfish people.

Still though, again.. If the MC wasn't really offended even on his birthday dinner, then I don't really see the problem. I think instead of worrying about what is normal in society or what is acceptable to <Insert F95 poster>, I think it's better to consider what is normal in Parker and MC's relationship and within her household. And it's obviously a very sexually open household. That's reinforced several times through the VN already.

Besides, real world societal norms really don't always apply to porn games. Otherwise, people would be losing their shit over all the moms getting plowed by her son in 90% of them. Parker's a cougar, she saw a cute waiter and clam-chowed-her was on the menu. Simple as that. She was written to be a sexual creature with a high sex drive, and she's definitely very much that.

 

[SerHawkes]

You use 'Peace' very aggressively.

Save yourself the trouble and put them on ignore. They use that word as means to pretty much say, 'fuck you' simply because they don't like a different opinion or world view on any matter. Speaking from past run ins with the shmuck.

Point aside, I just wanna lay pipe in Ruth while Eve experience it in her dream world or whatever.

 

[Agent_Sloth]

Honestly at this point I just think what's happening to Parker is the same as with Evelyn since everyone keeps saying her obsession with the MC is a little intense, from the conversation Scarlett had about his powers to the person on the phone it's clear he's more dangerous then people know yet, and now with the Sisterhood being drawn to him it seems like it's an attraction thing...maybe he's even a engineered meta how could people know about his powers before they even manifested.

 

[e6mill]

how could people know about his powers before they even manifested.

Parker and MC's parents were (and are) involved in the vax effort. MC could be a result of that (hypothetical) experimental engineering. That'd explain why Parker was so ready to take him in. But it's just a theory at this point.