VN Ren'Py Origin Story [v0.6.0] [JDOR]

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S1nsational

S1nsational

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oieb said:
So, talking about theories... How d'you think MC should handle the whole Cat & Marina situation in Chapter 7?
I'm curious how you people see it because I think he's gotta kill those two guys. I believe it's the logical choice, and I'm okay with it. Of couse, in a superheroe context, as a John Constantine fan, I draw the line at doing anything The Hellblazer wouldn't do (so, plenty of room to move); but I am aware, however, that some people might feel that double murder in the first is something a bit too dark.
I really think, though, it's the best course of action. I'll explain. As I see it, MC could:
1. Use his powers to kill them and dispose of the bodies: This leaves only one witness (Cat) or two (Cat & Marina), but they won't talk 'cause they have a lot to lose.
2. Use his powers to frighten them: This means that two dangerous vindictive dudes are aware of MC's secret. Likely, it won't end well. Besides, MC's powers aren't subtle, they'll leave marks and that will draw unwanted attention.
3. Ask Lady Steel to frighten them: Though it seems prima facie the most adequate thing to do, it's not a long term solution. The day she stops bodyguarding MC, they'll be out to get them. MC knows that he could be rejected by the Sisterhood in any second so it ain't a good plan. Also, if they were to fight Ruth, they might actually win with telekinesis (they'd be idiots, since the Sisterhood would hunt them down, but they don't strike me as the sharpest tools in the shed, anyway).
4. Go to the principal: It might work, but the guy is shady. He wants to send people to The Farm, so no one is safe. Also, he culd be blacmailed with his fears and those two will escape punishment and plan a revenge.
5. Ask Lady Steel to kill them: Not a problem (if you're OK with murder), unless Ruth feels she doesn't need to kill them. It could happen, since she's overconfident and doesn't really worry about possible fallouts. If so, it's 3 all over again.
6. Try to talk them out of it: With no leverage, it most definitely ends in a fight.
7. Ask Lucía to freeze time (if she agrees): Terrible, terrible plan. Not a long term solution and the guys could retaliate once they figure out what happened.
So, as I said, he needs to do them in. QED.
What d'you think?
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My biggest problems with all your ideas is that the principal lives. He absolutely needs to die. Ideally slowly and painfully, but no way or another he needs to go.

What the two rapists do is horrible, and does deserve absolute punishment, but the principal is worse by orders of magnitude.

How many innocents has he sentences to hell for his own hate filled views?

No more, he needs to be set up to "commit suicide", give him the old whistle blower treatment.


But I'm slightly off topic from what you asked.

As for the rapists themselves, I think castration is the least of what they deserve.
 
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S1nsational said:
My biggest problems with all your ideas is that the principal lives. He absolutely needs to die. Ideally slowly and painfully, but no way or another he needs to go.

What the two rapists do is horrible, and does deserve absolute punishment, but the principal is worse by orders of magnitude.

How many innocents has he sentences to hell for his own hate filled views?

No more, he needs to be set up to "commit suicide", give him the old whistle blower treatment.


But I'm slightly off topic from what you asked.

As for the rapists themselves, I think castration is the least of what they deserve.
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Yeah the principal needed to be taken down. I just want the MC to not be so naive and really use his powers properly.
 
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S1nsational said:
My biggest problems with all your ideas is that the principal lives. He absolutely needs to die. Ideally slowly and painfully, but no way or another he needs to go.

What the two rapists do is horrible, and does deserve absolute punishment, but the principal is worse by orders of magnitude.

How many innocents has he sentences to hell for his own hate filled views?

No more, he needs to be set up to "commit suicide", give him the old whistle blower treatment.


But I'm slightly off topic from what you asked.

As for the rapists themselves, I think castration is the least of what they deserve.
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Agreed. Still, I wasn't talking about who has what coming, I was just stating the logical thing to do in a certain situation. Beyond that, I say we cross the bridge when we get to it. Eventually, MC will have to face the principal. Of course if by then putting someone's lights out isn't new for our guy, I say "In for a penny, in for a pound"
 
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OWSam000 said:
Yeah the principal needed to be taken down. I just want the MC to not be so naive and really use his powers properly.
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Certainly. If we talk about giving characters what they deserve, I think Marion said it best: I don't deal with psychos. I put 'em away.
 
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More than once I've wondered if "The Farm" is a euphemism for MTF executing "problematic" supers. That concept has been used before in other dystopian sci-fi like "leaving the community" in The Giver. The students all speak of "The Farm" as a place but it seems like it's all secondhand interpretation. Parker even mentions the "detention camps" but also says those who go there are never seen again.

Assuming it actually is a euphemism, I wonder if Principle dude is even aware of it. On one hand, he could be fully aware that he's sending students to their death... on the other, it could be something the MTF is keeping from him. He's a blackmailer and an asshole, but it's possible that he's under the assumption that detention is "helping" the students, completely unaware he's actually sending them to die.
 
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romo-ice

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oieb said:
So, talking about theories... How d'you think MC should handle the whole Cat & Marina situation in Chapter 7?
I'm curious how you people see it because I think he's gotta kill those two guys. I believe it's the logical choice, and I'm okay with it. Of couse, in a superheroe context, as a John Constantine fan, I draw the line at doing anything The Hellblazer wouldn't do (so, plenty of room to move); but I am aware, however, that some people might feel that double murder in the first is something a bit too dark.
I really think, though, it's the best course of action. I'll explain. As I see it, MC could:
1. Use his powers to kill them and dispose of the bodies: This leaves only one witness (Cat) or two (Cat & Marina), but they won't talk 'cause they have a lot to lose.
2. Use his powers to frighten them: This means that two dangerous vindictive dudes are aware of MC's secret. Likely, it won't end well. Besides, MC's powers aren't subtle, they'll leave marks and that will draw unwanted attention.
3. Ask Lady Steel to frighten them: Though it seems prima facie the most adequate thing to do, it's not a long term solution. The day she stops bodyguarding MC, they'll be out to get them. MC knows that he could be rejected by the Sisterhood in any second so it ain't a good plan. Also, if they were to fight Ruth, they might actually win with telekinesis (they'd be idiots, since the Sisterhood would hunt them down, but they don't strike me as the sharpest tools in the shed, anyway).
4. Go to the principal: It might work, but the guy is shady. He wants to send people to The Farm, so no one is safe. Also, he culd be blacmailed with his fears and those two will escape punishment and plan a revenge.
5. Ask Lady Steel to kill them: Not a problem (if you're OK with murder), unless Ruth feels she doesn't need to kill them. It could happen, since she's overconfident and doesn't really worry about possible fallouts. If so, it's 3 all over again.
6. Try to talk them out of it: With no leverage, it most definitely ends in a fight.
7. Ask Lucía to freeze time (if she agrees): Terrible, terrible plan. Not a long term solution and the guys could retaliate once they figure out what happened.
So, as I said, he needs to do them in. QED.
What d'you think?
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MC's current character is too much of a pussy to jump to super violence -- he seems more of a 'go with the flow' kinda person. Also, so far, the players haven't had any opportunity to shape MC's moral compass. All of the choices so far, have been about relationships, with the Lucia choice being the only one with some sort of moral implication, so jumping straight to murder doesn't make as much sense.

The only power with offense potential the MC must have at this point is Georgia's since all others (e.g, Tanya) are optional. So he will have to enlist help from others. The least risky people for help are Evelyn, Amber, Georgia, and Ruth. All others (e.g., Lucia) are optional characters. More risky would be approach the Principal or Mrs. Ross, but MC doesn't know what either's intentions truly is. It'd be great, if the story takes into account the decisions made wrt power gathering, but I don't think that'll happen yet with the current story progression, so I at least hope the MC attempts to actually resolve the issue instead of kicking the can down the road. But I won't be surprised if his focus is on preventing the bathroom episode from happening by distracting Kat, Marina, and/or the two bullies.
 
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Hungover00 said:
Wait, writing is one of their later steps?
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Only the sex scenes. I have a huge script already written but when I reach a sex scene I'll mostly just put ##SEX SCENE## and maybe just a description of how I initially expect it to go down (e.g. BJ > cowgirl > doggy). So I'll pose scenes according to the script as normal, but when I hit the sex scenes I swap and pose the renders and write the scene after. Though I'll usually write any dialogue as I pose.
 
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Jericho85 said:
More than once I've wondered if "The Farm" is a euphemism for MTF executing "problematic" supers. That concept has been used before in other dystopian sci-fi like "leaving the community" in The Giver. The students all speak of "The Farm" as a place but it seems like it's all secondhand interpretation. Parker even mentions the "detention camps" but also says those who go there are never seen again.

Assuming it actually is a euphemism, I wonder if Principle dude is even aware of it. On one hand, he could be fully aware that he's sending students to their death... on the other, it could be something the MTF is keeping from him. He's a blackmailer and an asshole, but it's possible that he's under the assumption that detention is "helping" the students, completely unaware he's actually sending them to die.
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Maybe. But he's to eager to ship people off. He doesn't even care whom, it seems. Souns like he's getting something out of it.
 
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id think the farm is where they force problematic supers into being slave soldiers. its like for profit prisons, they lobby andbefriends judges and law enforcement, not as partners but to keep the flow of prisoners coming in, thus making money. but in this case, a principle of a school full of juvenile powered people is exactly whod you buy off to send more supers to be converted into soldiers and money power influence, whatever currency the farm is dealing in.
 
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romo-ice said:
MC's current character is too much of a pussy to jump to super violence -- he seems more of a 'go with the flow' kinda person. Also, so far, the players haven't had any opportunity to shape MC's moral compass. All of the choices so far, have been about relationships, with the Lucia choice being the only one with some sort of moral implication, so jumping straight to murder doesn't make as much sense.

The only power with offense potential the MC must have at this point is Georgia's since all others (e.g, Tanya) are optional. So he will have to enlist help from others. The least risky people for help are Evelyn, Amber, Georgia, and Ruth. All others (e.g., Lucia) are optional characters. More risky would be approach the Principal or Mrs. Ross, but MC doesn't know what either's intentions truly is. It'd be great, if the story takes into account the decisions made wrt power gathering, but I don't think that'll happen yet with the current story progression, so I at least hope the MC attempts to actually resolve the issue instead of kicking the can down the road. But I won't be surprised if his focus is on preventing the bathroom episode from happening by distracting Kat, Marina, and/or the two bullies.
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Yeah, he won't go full Paul Kersey on anyone, at least not yet, he ain't that kind of guy. I was just wondering if I'm the only one who's okay with a little justice with attitude. I also wanted to know if anyone could come up with an alternative plan that won't come back to bite MC in the a*s.
 
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ben_sylar said:
I have a theory I'd like some input on, please and thank you:

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never crossed my mind, definitely tracks. and here i was always wondering, why in the world is she a stripper, she comes off as an extremely capable person, but treats stripping like plan A for life which made me think she was mislead, though i do think she also strips, you know for fun and cover purposes. like the day MC goes to every strip club in the city during her shift only to find she doesnt work at any of them. i guess a good check would be. is riley known to be out "stripping" when he is visited in his sleep. cause if she was thought to be home, that scene would make no sense if it was the same person. as riley could creep on sleeping MC as herself, thered be no need to dress up, she already knows shed never be caught and the leader creeping would be more conspicuous than the roommate if she was caught. but if it made known Riley was out, it would actually add as further proof to her duality
 
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duckydoodoo said:
never crossed my mind, definitely tracks. and here i was always wondering, why in the world is she a stripper, she comes off as an extremely capable person, but treats stripping like plan A for life which made me think she was mislead, though i do think she also strips, you know for fun and cover purposes. like the day MC goes to every strip club in the city during her shift only to find she doesnt work at any of them. i guess a good check would be. is riley known to be out "stripping" when he is visited in his sleep. cause if she was thought to be home, that scene would make no sense if it was the same person. as riley could creep on sleeping MC as herself, thered be no need to dress up, she already knows shed never be caught and the leader creeping would be more conspicuous than the roommate if she was caught. but if it made known Riley was out, it would actually add as further proof to her duality
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EDIT: I replayed some parts of the game, and I think there's enough foreshadowing to indicate Parker is not Riley's mother. MC says their relationship was/is closer to a niece and a distant aunt, so that could be the type of relationship (relative, but not daughter), or it could be Riley is Owen's from either a previous relationship or infidelity.
 
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romo-ice said:
TIL there are 24/7 strip clubs ... I still can't imagine what sort of 'emergency' a strip club could have in the morning. If they're down a dancer, it's not like it'll make much of a difference
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A whole bunch of guys walk in and there's only one dancer there. I've seen it happen. Not like a matter of life & limb, but they do call up girls who're theoretically off & ask if they feel like making money. You gotta realize it's not actually a job per se. Like hairdressers rent a chair or cab drivers rent the cars, strippers typically pay to work (and then keep most of their tips).
 
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