VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

While its possible that the ending get rushed with 4 chapters less, its a net positive, since the developement drags on forever, it branches out too much and Eva loses themselves in perfection/burn-out. So having a(n almost) clear number is a good indicator that the end is in sight and planned.

If the next five chapters take 7 months each (and they could take even longer since the routes branch out more and more), we have something like June 2026 for chapter 16, FOUR YEARS. Adding four chapters for additional over 2 years would not make it better.

Also, the skills aren't set for nine additional chapters. Ian and Lena can already have 7-8 on all skills in chapter 11, so if we assume one skill level up every two chapters, we end the game with max stats.

Chapter 11 8
Chapter 12 8
Chapter 13 9
Chapter 14 9
Chapter 15 10
Chapter 16 10

 

[a-pollo]

16 chapters are fine. Then we can move on to a Holly-centered new game .

For Chapter 12 I really hope to see some photoshoot and party with unexpected sex involving Lena and maybe some more content in the Holly corruption path.

Also really looking forward to some DP action for Lena but I guess we will have to wait another chapter or two, I hope it will happen at the very least in chapter 15 and not only in the final one.

 

[a-pollo]

While its possible that the ending get rushed with 4 chapters less, its a net positive, since the developement drags on forever, it branches out too much and Eva loses themselves in perfection/burn-out. So having a(n almost) clear number is a good indicator that the end is in sight and planned.

Agree. Assuming more branches will lead to more content per chapter five more from now could be plenty of options.

Not sure we will see tha same dev cycle in the next years though: if chapter content grow further it will takes more time even with a new working line (she already handed over some drawings: if that can keep at bay major delays I'm not confident that will significantly speed up the entire process) and I expect to see the mid chapter release option (first release one character view, then another) on the table again the next year, even if EK is not keen to do it. But I really don't see how she will be able to deliver more content in the same amount of time.

Unless the next chapters will pack pretty much the same amount of content of the previous ones, but doesnt' seem to be what EK wants and that would be a disappointing move for a branch-based game expecting to grow exponentially.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

there has to be at least one gillian banging scene in our future

 

[jollyjoker27]

there has to be at lleast one gillian banging scene in our future

I´m wondering if Gillian-boyfriend-reveal will be the cliffhanger of the CH.11 Epilogue.

 

[MinkoSvk]

7) Adding cosmetic options (like tanning Lena) is a pain, but she'd like to add a beard for Ian at some point.

Beard might be nice, but we need more tattoos and pieced nipples and pussy.

 

[biohazardinc]

I wasn't able to have Lena tell Holly that she was thinking of her when she visited her parents in the latest update. Which surprised me because I have max "♥" relationship with her. Anyone know why that might be the case? I'm guessing I skipped some sort of committed relationship option with her at some point. Or maybe it was because I spent too much time with Louise. Whom Lena is the master to if that matters.

 

[tiger8125]

So, in the end she couldn't keep it up and have decided to rush things in 5 chapters. It was expected.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

EvaKiss isn't done answering the questions on her most recent Q&A, but I figured I'd summarize the more interesting responses so far.

EvaKiss Sept 2023 Q&A Notes #1

1) She is changing her first estimate of 20 chapters for the whole game down to 16 chapters, but this is not fixed. She doesn’t have a clear end goal in mind for the game but knows the general direction she wants to take the storylines.

2) She would like to give Patreons what they want (see Polls), and will make some smaller suggestions happen, but she is going to follow her own vision. Her vision is what keeps her motivated.

3) She was inspired by Mass Effect and Dragon Age. The porn VN that made her realize she could make games like this was "Katie's corruption".

4) She has experimented with AI to create backgrounds to speed things up in production, but the standard of quality is not there yet.

5) Hard to pick a favorite character or story arc since different characters/stories are appealing in different ways. Lena and Ian are fun to write in different ways. Some storylines are easier and more fun than others.

6) GGGB was a porn trope sandbox generating “wildly different” outcomes to player choices, and Eva is really interested in player actions leading to consequences, lacking in most games. For ORS, she wanted inspiration from real-world stories (along with the occasional porn trope) to make the characters more grounded and player choices to have stronger emotional impact.

7) Adding cosmetic options (like tanning Lena) is a pain, but she'd like to add a beard for Ian at some point.

8) There will be more threesomes ahead. More unprotected sex and possible pregnancies ahead as well.

9) She knew having a double protagonist was risky, but she didn’t want to make another GGGB. She wanted new creative challenges to keep her motivated. She will take on new risky challenges in her next game when it comes.

10) Some major plot points and big scenes are expected in Chapter 12 that have been on the backburner for a while.

11) She hasn't totally discarded the idea of something sexy involving Ed and Lena in some way, but it remains to be seen if she'll have time to add it.

1. Bad news. The story feels like it’s only in the middle, many of the characters haven’t received any development, the storylines are hanging in the air, also without development... And it turns out that Eva has already done 2/3 of the entire game. It's good that this is not yet certain.

2. Always follow your vision. Don't forget what Patrons want is a minority group that is active in the comments. Moreover, I consider it necessary to completely ignore the demands of the fetishistic part of the audience, especially those who are the loudest. And focus on your vision.

3. Nice to hear. ME fan sheds a nostalgic tear. Report to the ship as soon as possible.

4. To hell fucking AI

5. Ian-Lena is my base, but I would like to see more development with Ivy and Emma too.

7. I can imagine how difficult it is in a 2D game where you need to draw. It's easier in 3D games, where you play with assets like LEGOs. Of course, there are also problems and not all tasks are easy.

8. Yesssss, more threesomes.

10. An important story chapter is what we need. After Ep.9 there were no major challenges and the story moved slowly.

11.No

 

[Fellas]

there has to be at lleast one gillian banging scene in our future

There HAS to be a Gillian's ending, my friend.

 

[Reaurt]

Follow-up from my last post linked here, summarizing Eva's more interesting responses to the Q&A.
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EvaKiss Sept 2023 Q&A Notes #2

12) The most laborious part of the game for Eva is the writing and scene planning because she must account for all paths and scene variations. The art takes longer too but is easier to outsource. She has previously said she doesn't think she can outsource the writing.

13) Some more minor characters may have off-screen development (e.g., Perry & Cherry), if she doesn’t have time to add actual scenes for them. She will try to add the scenes though!

14) Eva re-iterates that writing gay (m/m) scenes isn’t her specialty. She’s also opted to avoid transgender characters for this game, writing those characters require depth and nuance, and she has her hands full right now.

15) For post-game content (DLCs), she’d like to write scenes from other characters’ POV besides Ian and Lena.

16) She did not originally intend to make the Holly and Cindy paths mutually exclusive. However, Holly has one of the most complicated plotlines, and Eva wanted to make her plotline and one of Ian’s major plotlines exclusive to help make it all manageable.

17) ORS takes place about 4-5 years after GGGB.

18) Baluart (the fictional city ORS is set in) is a mix of Salamanca and Barcelona, two cities in Spain. Salamanca is a college town with a lively student population. Barcelona is relatively small in actual size (39.34 mi²) but has a vibrant culture. Baluart has no major powerful industries, but significant cultural influence in art and education, attracting visitors and students.

19) She is using VSC when she edits the code for the game.

20) Eva is using a smaller subset of the cast for the beach house event, not a huge group. She thinks they will provide the most interesting interactions though!

21) Natasha (Nat) is currently being used as a cameo. Eva isn’t sure she’ll have time to give her major content outside of dialogue.

 

[2016er]

EvaKiss isn't done answering the questions on her most recent Q&A, but I figured I'd summarize the more interesting responses so far.


8) There will be more threesomes ahead. More unprotected sex and possible pregnancies ahead as well.

Cindy, it's time to raise Master Watts.

 

[SizeQueenShrine]

There HAS to be a Gillian's ending, my friend.

Yeah. I bet it would go like that...

 

[| Vee |]

I think after CH12 we will see in which direction ORS is going on now, we can't know for sure how the game will have endings, especially after cutting down on Chapter's, wrapping up content, concise branching and development of characters. CH12 and CH13 will serve some "hint/s" for us to what expect now in ending's. EK may cut down ending for certain characters.

 

[2016er]

Follow-up from my last post linked here, summarizing Eva's more interesting responses to the Q&A.
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EvaKiss Sept 2023 Q&A Notes #2

12) The most laborious part of the game for Eva is the writing and scene planning because she must account for all paths and scene variations. The art takes longer too but is easier to outsource. She has previously said she doesn't think she can outsource the writing.

13) Some more minor characters may have off-screen development (e.g., Perry & Cherry), if she doesn’t have time to add actual scenes for them. She will try to add the scenes though!

14) Eva re-iterates that writing gay (m/m) scenes isn’t her specialty. She’s also opted to avoid transgender characters for this game, writing those characters require depth and nuance, and she has her hands full right now.

15) For post-game content (DLCs), she’d like to write scenes from other characters’ POV besides Ian and Lena.

16) She did not originally intend to make the Holly and Cindy paths mutually exclusive. However, Holly has one of the most complicated plotlines, and Eva wanted to make her plotline and one of Ian’s major plotlines exclusive to help make it all manageable.

17) ORS takes place about 4-5 years after GGGB.

18) Baluart (the fictional city ORS is set in) is a mix of Salamanca and Barcelona, two cities in Spain. Salamanca is a college town with a lively student population. Barcelona is relatively small in actual size (39.34 mi²) but has a vibrant culture. Baluart has no major powerful industries, but significant cultural influence in art and education, attracting visitors and students.

19) She is using VSC when she edits the code for the game.

20) Eva is using a smaller subset of the cast for the beach house event, not a huge group. She thinks they will provide the most interesting interactions though!

21) Natasha (Nat) is currently being used as a cameo. Eva isn’t sure she’ll have time to give her major content outside of dialogue.

>If it's written like that then I am scared that I can sense some burnout ... please don't rush it or abandoned it

>Good thing, the NPCs could have their personal development in background but hopefully this decision wouldn't ruin their personal connection with
MCs( I really like Ian's group, they are the reason I prefer to play his part .)

>Don't care

>What's "post game content" ? Like it will be published after the game would finish or like that? Have no idea, can anybody help?

> shame , but seems it's not Ian destiny to tap holly and Cindy at the same time.

> What's the significance of this comment? If they are in same universe then HR Nat is anal loving bookstore keeper?
So Ashley exist there as well?

I wonder after finishing ORS, EK might work in a project combining charectar of both games, like 5 years after the ORS plot, our charectars in their late 20s or early 30s, married, settled...but still fucking around


>Interesting information, always good for the reader when they were given a reference point to establish the geography.

>No idea what it's

>great decision, I haven't played update 11, is my girls Cindy/Holly attending the beach house?

 

[MF_DOOM]

EK's disappointed the fans majorly.

It's funny how some people refer to themselves as "the fans" and pretend to know what the other players think about the game

 

[rj677]

As such, she "claims" that Chapter 12 will supposedly have alot of the so called 'backburner' content in it. Likely meaning Ivy, Emma, Jessica,

You know whats the worse part? Even though the "backburner" content is most likely for Ivy, Emma or Jessica, my gut feeling is screaming at me that somehow it wont be for any of them .

At this point, I rather be pessimistic and have a wonderful surprise than being too hype about it and getting 0 content with them . Im just waiting patiently for what Eva is cooking... EMMA better be on that damm beach house event wearing a hot BIKINI

Yes, very patiently if I may say so myself

 

[nevt2050ptr]

13) Some more minor characters may have off-screen development (e.g., Perry & Cherry), if she doesn’t have time to add actual scenes for them. She will try to add the scenes though!

If Perry manages to score with Cherry/Emma I will count that as interspecies sexual contacts. That guy is a Stan's level slob.

 

[Birdnman993]

> shame , but seems it's not Ian destiny to tap holly and Cindy at the same time.

In my case it suits me like a glove, since I can join ian with cindy and holly with lena, all perfectly balanced as it should be.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Follow-up from my last post linked here, summarizing Eva's more interesting responses to the Q&A.
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EvaKiss Sept 2023 Q&A Notes #2

12) The most laborious part of the game for Eva is the writing and scene planning because she must account for all paths and scene variations. The art takes longer too but is easier to outsource. She has previously said she doesn't think she can outsource the writing.

13) Some more minor characters may have off-screen development (e.g., Perry & Cherry), if she doesn’t have time to add actual scenes for them. She will try to add the scenes though!

14) Eva re-iterates that writing gay (m/m) scenes isn’t her specialty. She’s also opted to avoid transgender characters for this game, writing those characters require depth and nuance, and she has her hands full right now.

15) For post-game content (DLCs), she’d like to write scenes from other characters’ POV besides Ian and Lena.

16) She did not originally intend to make the Holly and Cindy paths mutually exclusive. However, Holly has one of the most complicated plotlines, and Eva wanted to make her plotline and one of Ian’s major plotlines exclusive to help make it all manageable.

17) ORS takes place about 4-5 years after GGGB.

18) Baluart (the fictional city ORS is set in) is a mix of Salamanca and Barcelona, two cities in Spain. Salamanca is a college town with a lively student population. Barcelona is relatively small in actual size (39.34 mi²) but has a vibrant culture. Baluart has no major powerful industries, but significant cultural influence in art and education, attracting visitors and students.

19) She is using VSC when she edits the code for the game.

20) Eva is using a smaller subset of the cast for the beach house event, not a huge group. She thinks they will provide the most interesting interactions though!

21) Natasha (Nat) is currently being used as a cameo. Eva isn’t sure she’ll have time to give her major content outside of dialogue.

12. Quite logical. It is impossible to outsource your story; at best, seek advice from professional writers with experience, but without changing the story.

13. If it doesn't really matter to the plot, then it would really be right to leave it behind the scenes, or just show it as dialogue/Peoplegram post, so as not to overload the already brunch-heavy game.

14. I don’t think that such a character is necessary at all. Moreover, it will attract unnecessary attention from the woke audience, who are always playing victim cards and canceling someone.

15. It would be great, such a big epilogue in the style of a typical role-playing game ending, where it is shown how the fate of the characters would have turned out. I like it, cool idea.

16. Mutually exclusive routes are correct; eventually they would have to be separated. Plus it increases replayability.

18. I was thinking it's more American-type city

20. So... no orgy?

21. Damn it, I, like many others, was counting on hook-up with one of the hottest girls in GGGB. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE STAN UPDATE AND THE SCENES WITH ROBERT WHO NOBODY CARE ABOUT IS MORE IMPORTANT.