VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[bitofaperv]

Bruh.... GGGB right now is TRILLIONS times more better game. ORS is vanilla soap opera. GGGB still the best game ever. Magnum opus of Eva Kiss

Art is worse, characterisations are worse (they, like ORS lean on archetypes heavily, but they are much thinner in GGGB, each character serves a single purpose, they are very basic as a result), plot is equally loosey goosey.

The sexual scenarios are better, but you cannot make a value judgement on something that is mostly subjective, because by the few objective metrics you can point out between them, ORS is superior.

Do I think I will be as fond of ORS in the end? No. But I also don't think I can make the statement that GGGB is a much better AVN. I enjoyed it more (so far, ORS isn't finished but I am not confident it will stick the landing at all given the last few episodes), but when I think of metrics like art and robustness of character, it is a lesser game.

 

[rj677]

Art is worse

but when I think of metrics like art...it is a lesser game.

Well, I never understood people who use "art" as a metric to evaluate any games, but when its used to evaluate 2 games made by the same dev its when I just get confused .

The more time passes, the more the devs learn and more upgrades in software and hardware come out... So, ORSs art being better than GGGBs to me was a given and it is obvious. Look at other devs and you will definitely see a difference for the better in the art/renders/animations department in subsequent games .

An example in AAA games: GTA 5 has better "art" than GTA 4 but thats solely because of the time difference of their release. But story wise, almost everyone agrees that GTA 4 is WAY better. I dont have an opinion of GGGBs story because I simply havent played that game enough to bring anything to the table in terms of story

 

[bitofaperv]

Well, I never understood people who use "art" as a metric to evaluate any games, but when its used to evaluate 2 games made by the same dev its when I just get confused .

The more time passes, the more the devs learn and more upgrades in software and hardware come out... So, ORSs art being better than GGGBs to me was a given and it is obvious. Look at other devs and you will definitely see a difference for the better in the art/renders/animations department in subsequent games .

An example in AAA games: GTA 5 has better "art" than GTA 4 but thats solely because of the time difference of their release. But story wise, almost everyone agrees that GTA 4 is WAY better. I dont have an opinion of GGGB because I simply havent played that game enough to bring anything to the table in terms of story

It is a given that she is better, you're right. You presenting it like you're arguing with me when you're taking the same stance. You've also completely mischaracterised what I said so you could do a "gotcha".

ORS has a professional colorist and Eva Kiss has better linework from her experience. It is an example of an objective factor in the presentation. The fact I have to clarify the minutiae because I used the term "art" as a catch all is really fucking annoying.

 

[bitofaperv]

That's literally what we all play these games for LUL

You want story go read 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea.

Reductivism at it's finest.

"I lyk dis so ebberybuddy mus fink da saym."

 

[fatpussy123]

ORS and GGGB are visual novels. So of course the art and the writing are going to be the most important aspects. The art is obviously better in ORS, I don't think many people would contest that. Writing wise it's more subjective. GGGB had more focus on fetish elements, corruption, and darker themes. Those were it's positives, it's negatives were mainly with its reliance on stereotypes and one dimensional characters. ORS isn't as heavy on the dark elements, but uses a lot of the same stereotypes as GGGB, but builds upon them with more characterization.

Tyrone is the BBC fetish stereotype? Jerome is too, but is also the friend of Ian, a guy with little backbone that leads to him messing with Louise and potentially pursuing the girl his friend has an eye on. Jack is the chad stereotype? So is Axel, but he is insecure, manipulative, the ex of one of the MCs, and a minor antagonist to the other MC. You get the point how ORS builds upon GGGBs stereotyped characters.

The last thing where the writing is different is the inclusion of Ian. He is not only a love interest for the female MC, but also an MC himself. EKs patrons don't seem to be fans of him as much as they are of Lena. Personally I prefer ORS, I like the characters more, the art more, and I don't notice any dip in quality for the writing during sex scenes. I also prefer Ian over Lena, so that might play a role into it and make me biased in a certain direction.

 

[MF_DOOM]

That's literally what we all play these games for LUL

No, This is why YOU play these games.
For me, I like hand drawn art, some good realistic sex scenes and a good story with it.
If I didnt care about the story, what is the point of playing a VN? I would just watch some porn and be done with it.

 

[Reaurt]

Here is the exciting continuation of our September 2023 Q&A with EvaKiss Summary Series. She hasn't responded to the remaining questions in the last few days, and the questions are getting a bit repetitive, so this may be the finale.

Previous summaries were here and here.
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22) She strongly implied that there won’t be incest in this game (ORS).

23) Eva is planning on writing future sexy scenes with Jessica but can’t say for future scenes with either Nat or Gillian, implying no immediate and concrete plans for them as it comes to sex scenes.

24) Bimbo Alison will show up more.

25) Eva envisions doing the long epilogue style endings for ORS like she did with GGGB.

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

27) When asked if she would start implementing wilder or more hardcore scenes in ORS, like in GGGB, Eva responded that she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic.

 

[Gicoo]

No further Gillian scenes? Then why the fuck tease us with the humiliating dream in the first place? Also makes the drama with Mikes girlfriend less dramatic.

I don't mind Nat being a pure cameo, so why even tease her and Ian by making him able to flirt with her?

The rest was expected.

 

[fatpussy123]

No further Gillian scenes? Then why the fuck tease us with the humiliating dream in the first place? Also makes the drama with Mikes girlfriend less dramatic.

I don't mind Nat being a pure cameo, so why even tease her and Ian by making him able to flirt with her?

The rest was expected.

I agree. How does getting Nat's number not lead to a path or atleast a scene with her. Especially when we have seen how she operates in GGGB. While in a relantionship she was down for a threesome with Ashley and one the guys Arthur, Dave or Jack. No way Ian cant pull Nat.

 

[ffive]

Could be simply something that EK keeps on mind as a possibility, but not 100% guaranteed, given they've already made decision to axe some of potential content for other characters.

Lack of sex with Gillian might actually be something intended for cuck connoisseurs around here

 

[Xupuzulla]

So Alex gets to fuck the shit out of Lena but you cant hatefuck Gillian...nice EK...nice...

 

[| Vee |]

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

My reaction:

And Reaurt this is for you for delivering "HAPPINESS"

No further Gillian scenes? Then why the fuck tease us with the humiliating dream in the first place? Also makes the drama with Mikes girlfriend less dramatic.

I don't mind Nat being a pure cameo, so why even tease her and Ian by making him able to flirt with her?

The rest was expected.

I agree. How does getting Nat's number not lead to a path or atleast a scene with her. Especially when we have seen how she operates in GGGB. While in a relantionship she was down for a threesome with Ashley and one the guys Arthur, Dave or Jack. No way Ian cant pull Nat.

She is simply saving for "DLC" IF she is planning to release DLC and not cut content as did with ORS.

So Alex gets to fuck the shit out of Lena but you cant hatefuck Gillian...nice EK...nice...

I think Lena has EK's attribute "Hypocrite"

 

[bauman]

I have to agree. If there are no plans on additional Gillian and Nat content, why waste time and resources in expanding their scenes in the first place? Also, it seems like Ivy won't get too involved with Ian. We'll get a pity scene or two, likely as a fan service, but I suspect there won't be an elaborate branch.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

wow that Gillian news is a massive letdown

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

wow that Gillian news is a massive letdown

I have a save game Gillian route ready to go. Ah well, she might stir things up and make things interesting

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I agree. How does getting Nat's number not lead to a path or atleast a scene with her. Especially when we have seen how she operates in GGGB. While in a relantionship she was down for a threesome with Ashley and one the guys Arthur, Dave or Jack. No way Ian cant pull Nat.

Exit strategy after taking on more of a stretch than she can handle.

EvaKiss: "Hey guys, look! It's Jeremy's dick again, and it's growing! And look! Cindy's doing Anal now!" *Throws dirt in your eyes and runs off in the other direction towards an entirely new game*.

Can't say that I blame her, honestly. I'm sure she'll finish up what she can re: main storylines to keep herself and most patrons satisfied. But the vast undertaking has turned into a much longer haul than I'm sure (s)he's expected. Still likely two+ years left of development even after cutting out several of the teased side routes.

 

[rj677]

It is a given that she is better, you're right. You presenting it like you're arguing with me when you're taking the same stance. You've also completely mischaracterised what I said so you could do a "gotcha".

ORS has a professional colorist and Eva Kiss has better linework from her experience. It is an example of an objective factor in the presentation. The fact I have to clarify the minutiae because I used the term "art" as a catch all is really fucking annoying.

Do you know whats really fucking annoying? People in F95 who get offended when someone uses/replies to their post, a post that has nothing wrong, to get their own point across. The "assuming"/"reading between the lines people".... But lets agree to disagree, Im wrong you are right and leave it at that

But I wont go into another argument with someone who felt attacked by me, especially when we have important things to debate

Here is the exciting continuation of our September 2023 Q&A with EvaKiss Summary Series. She hasn't responded to the remaining questions in the last few days, and the questions are getting a bit repetitive, so this may be the finale.

Previous summaries were here and here.
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22) She strongly implied that there won’t be incest in this game (ORS).

23) Eva is planning on writing future sexy scenes with Jessica but can’t say for future scenes with either Nat or Gillian, implying no immediate and concrete plans for them as it comes to sex scenes.

24) Bimbo Alison will show up more.

25) Eva envisions doing the long epilogue style endings for ORS like she did with GGGB.

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

27) When asked if she would start implementing wilder or more hardcore scenes in ORS, like in GGGB, Eva responded that she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic.

First of all Reaurt for posting these .

But unfortunately this is one of those Q&A answers I wish I didnt see . I cant say Im surprised by any of these statements, but its still sad to see some them anyway...

Gillian coming in as she did in chapter 11 just to had a "btw not a planned LI" is just confusing. I get it for the story, but why make Ian fantasize about her in full sex mode? Why have Ian get Nats number if its not intended to be used?

Same point to Ivy... The amount of teasing and then variables implemented in the game that would suggest she would be a legitimate option to Ian, just for our hopes to get semi crushed when she says in the end of chapter 11 out of 16 that her content is going to be "down the line" .

I knew Ivy was a primarily Lena character, but if thats the idea then why have the constant teasing with Ian? Im sure everything will make sense when all is set and done, but for now its a bit sad to see some characters not getting their storylines developed. Throwing IanxLouise in there too .

Edit: Like other people said, this might be a sign of content being cut out too. But that doesnt make me feel less sad

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

22) She strongly implied that there won’t be incest in this game (ORS).

23) Eva is planning on writing future sexy scenes with Jessica but can’t say for future scenes with either Nat or Gillian, implying no immediate and concrete plans for them as it comes to sex scenes.

24) Bimbo Alison will show up more.

27) When asked if she would start implementing wilder or more hardcore scenes in ORS, like in GGGB, Eva responded that she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic.

22) Well, they say the best incest is the incest you make at hom-- wait. What am I saying?
23) I'm 100% sure more Gillian sex scenes will come. Likely just not in the next chapter or so.
24) Dear god, I hope those of us cursed with Blonde Alison will at least get to change her hair back through Ian's negative reaction.
27) . Well, people, seemingly completely normal and well balanced people even, can get up to some pretty fucking crazy and random shit with the doors closed. So hopefully she's just talking about incest, Ashley's "private eye" phase and the stupid gang storyline. All other sex paths in GGGB, as wild as some of them were, could also be 100% plausible with the right writing for most ORS characters. The key is in the build-up/foreshadowing and the fleshed-out characters selected.


Also just had a thought that the quicker wrap-up could very well change if Eva ends up striking it rich from the Steam release. "He-Hey guys! We're expanding to... 30 chapters and I've got a team of 10 devs to write it for me. I'll be off on vacation as I've got a lot of weddings to attend to." I wouldn't put more than a $2 lottery ticket towards it, but it's always a possibility.

 

[japra]

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[Reaurt]

Just FYI, though Eva's not immediately planning on a scene with x character doesn't mean one won't come up. Eva's method of writing and putting scenes together seems a bit spontaneous (with some overall direction), with some scenes pre-planned and others more spur of the moment, and inspiration might strike. Emma x Jeremy was unplanned, for example.

This is really a roundabout way of me saying I'm still holding out hope for a Nat scene!