VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[seaoflove]

This is the last time I will interact with you. When in the hell was it revealed that Lena and Axel were in a FORCED BDSM focused relationship and that Lena is so detached from reality that she could confuse a "BDSM relationship" (which she had to enter at some point?) With abusive tendencies (which are likely more emotional than physical) No wonder you can defend Stan so hard your playing your own personalized story to the point where one of the protagonists just got out of a damn MASTER SLAVE relationship?

Did you actually play ORS?

I never claimed Lena & Axel were in a "Forced BDSM" relationship. They weren't. However, if you actually read the lines of dialogue and look at the pictures in the game you would realize that BDSM is a part of their shared past where Axel was the Dominant, and Lena was his submissive / slave / pet (It's unclear what level of submission they were at, and the exact dynamics). Their dynamic very well could have been Master / slave as it is heavily implied that it was.

After Axel's apology it is mentioned when Lena is looking at the photographs. She is wearing his collar.

When Lena goes to buy a leash to use on Loise as her Domme it is mentioned that she was the one wearing the collar in the past to serve Axel.

When Ivy seduces Lena after the birthday party it's obvious her best friend Ivy is aware of her submissive nature, and knows just how to push those buttons.

The game even has a BDSM tag.

Often times BDSM style relationships can be mistaken for abuse to vanilla people at them from outside of the relationship.

Here comes a problem though because of that relationship dynamic:

Patching things up with a submissive girlfriend can be more complicated than with a vanilla girlfriend due to the additional layer of power dynamics and emotional intricacies involved in a BDSM relationship.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Spoiler: At this point

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Stan may have the power of anime but he clearly doesn't have the power of God (Eva) on his side

Is actually insane how much EK hates this character

 

[fidgetrimer]

Axel does seem to show genuine remorse for cheating on Lena. His stalking is in part because he just didn't have any closure, and still loved her. He wanted to try to make amends and he felt bad about it. Sadly, we live in a disposable society where people are easy to just abandon. Although he has gotten violent with other men, he is never shown to get violent with Lena. Some of his "Abusive tendencies" could be misinterpreted because he was Lena's Master in a BDSM style relationship, and that is just their relationship dynamic.

Not an expert on these things, but I always imagined BDSM to be just a sex thing, not a whole relationship dynamic. Enjoying being choked or spanked in the bed doesn't mean you also want to be emotionally/physically abused outside of it. And it's a shitty excuse for Axel's behavior.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Is actually insane how much EK hates this character

I've told people this long ago but Stan is not meant to be the playable character you can self insert as that grows as a person and becomes a chad. He is there to fill a very specific role in the story/game and that is of your average weeb stalker. His name is Stan, for Christ's sake!

He is there to be one facet of Ian and it is the facet that gets cucked. Axel is the Chad, Jeremy is the friend that his girlfriend cheats on, and etc.

 

[Blurpee69]

Not an expert on these things, but I always imagined BDSM to be just a sex thing, not a whole relationship dynamic. Enjoying being choked or spanked in the bed doesn't mean you also want to be emotionally/physically abused outside of it. And it's a shitty excuse for Axel's behavior.

BDSM typically begins and ends at sexy times, that is true; but it will largely depend on the willingness of the dominant and the submissive what is considered sexy times. The vibe I get from Lena / Axel is that it very well might have started as a typical BDSM relationship and eventually (de)evolved into a relationship closer to Slave and Master. I'm not well versed in S&M, but I've never come across a "healthy" relationship like that, it's always been borderline, if not outright, abusive.

 

[Blurpee69]

I've told people this long ago but Stan is not meant to be the playable character you can self insert as that grows as a person and becomes a chad. He is there to fill a very specific role in the story/game and that is of your average weeb stalker. His name is Stan, for Christ's sake!

He is there to be one facet of Ian and it is the facet that gets cucked. Axel is the Chad, Jeremy is the friend that his girlfriend cheats on, and etc.

I do miss old Stan, the one that was more representative of Ian's social awkwardness around women after Gillian cheated on him. Newer incel cuck Stan is a darker more spiteful (even if perhaps more accurate) representation of getting cheated on; and I'm a sucker for realistic positivivety, so not really a fan of Stan "New Coke" Korzybski.

Edit for clarity: In this case realistic positivitey means not necessarily trusting emotions / mental state enough to enter into a new relationship, but still being emotionally mature enough to know that not all women are "whores" or whatever words incels use to describe women that don't abide by their fantasy rules.

 

[varpep]

I may be entirely wrong but I believe what Lena seems to have is a domination fetish. Now, BDSM encompasses things like bondage, discipline, dominance, submission and sadism etc. So It's not really clear the complete dynamics of what Axel and Lena's relationship was aside from the Dom and Sub dynamic between them. But from what I know, people in these kind of relationship have a great deal of trust in each other. Which is why a sub has no problem giving up control to their partner and trusts that said partner won't abuse their power. And the dom does everything in their power to make sure their partner is safe and are comfortable. Cause when all it's said and done, It is just a sex thing and the sub still wants to be treated like a person even if elements of said dynamic could bleed into everyday life. Which is why when Axel abused his position and betrayed Lena's trust, the relationship fell apart. But from what I've seen, I'm unsure if their relationship resembled a typical BDSM one. I think the one that closely resembles a typical BDSM relationship is the one between Lena and Louise.

 

[Maviarab]

Cause when all it's said and done, It is just a sexy time thing

No, it really isn't. At all.

Rest of what you said was fine.

 

[varpep]

No, it really isn't. At all.

Rest of what you said was fine.

Fixed it. Maybe my wording was a bit off.

 

[Maviarab]

Fixed it. Maybe my wording was a bit off.

No better...but whatever. D/s has actually very little to do with sex, 90+% pyschological. A bit of kinky sex does not a dom or sub make.

If you removed that entire sentence, it would honestly be a great post, but it's obviously written by someone with no real experience of the subject matter. And before anyone gives me crap, I'm making this point as there is way too much missunderstanding around this.

 

[varpep]

No better...but whatever. D/s has actually very little to do with sex, 90+% pyschological. A bit of kinky sex does not a dom or sub make.

If you removed that entire sentence, it would honestly be a great post, but it's obviously written by someone with no real experience of the subject matter. And before anyone gives me crap, I'm making this point as there is way too much missunderstanding around this.

You're right. I don't really have a full understanding on the topic. I was just sharing what I know.

 

[varpep]

On a different note. I know Lena's Dad in the game is not her biological father. Is it ever mentioned who her real father is? If not, who do you think it might be?

 

[dolfe67]

Is it ever mentioned who her real father is? If not, who do you think it might be?

Some random who will never appear in the game

 

[Andrea9999]

And it's a shitty excuse for Axel's behavior.

The game even has a BDSM tag.

I am quite sure that the BDSM tag refers to the Lena-Seymour-Dubai arc. Seymour will extend his handling and exhibiting of Lena, bringing in Agnes who will intensify the controlling, inviting guests to watch as Lena gives performances of ever increasing depravity....Eventually (for those who chose Dubai as the destination) she is brought to the UAE, becoming a sex doll for the eventual enjoyment of the emirs. (If Ian is in a relationship with Lena and is dependent on Seymour's patronage as well, he will be used as a puppet as well....instructed to perform acts with and to Lena that a loving bf would never think of doing.) I imagine, even from the

Spoiler: rooftops

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we will hear the screams.

 

[ffive]

Axel does seem to show genuine remorse for cheating on Lena. His stalking is in part because he just didn't have any closure, and still loved her.

I'm pretty sure Axel has zero actual remorse about his actions. His true intentions show when he uses the pretext of "just wanting to meet to return Lena her things" to "accidently" slip her their polaroid pictures.

He doesn't want closure. He wants Lena back under his thumb and uses multiple ways to manipulate her to this effect.

 

[varpep]

I am quite sure that the BDSM tag refers to the Lena-Seymour-Dubai arc. Seymour will extend his handling and exhibiting of Lena, bringing in Agnes who will intensify the controlling, inviting guests to watch as Lena gives performances of ever increasing depravity....Eventually (for those who chose Dubai as the destination) she is brought to the UAE, becoming a sex doll for the eventual enjoyment of the emirs. (If Ian is in a relationship with Lena and is dependent on Seymour's patronage as well, he will be used as a puppet as well....instructed to perform acts with and to Lena that a loving bf would never think of doing.) I imagine, even from the

Spoiler: rooftops

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we will hear the screams.

You seem to have great expectations for this arc. I hope it does not disappoint you.

 

[yuvce]

On a different note. I know Lena's Dad in the game is not her biological father. Is it ever mentioned who her real father is? If not, who do you think it might be?

There have been speculations about who it might be. Rumours of it being Seymour were debunked. I could go on about how it might be a certain character, but the truth is there's been nothing to indicate whether he'll actually appear or not.

 

[Andrea9999]

You seem to have great expectations for this arc. I hope it does not disappoint you.

There is something Miss Havisham-ish about Agnes. Thank you for the good wishes! I do not get them often.

 

[Krysis_here]

I am quite sure that the BDSM tag refers to the Lena-Seymour-Dubai arc. Seymour will extend his handling and exhibiting of Lena, bringing in Agnes who will intensify the controlling, inviting guests to watch as Lena gives performances of ever increasing depravity....Eventually (for those who chose Dubai as the destination) she is brought to the UAE, becoming a sex doll for the eventual enjoyment of the emirs. (If Ian is in a relationship with Lena and is dependent on Seymour's patronage as well, he will be used as a puppet as well....instructed to perform acts with and to Lena that a loving bf would never think of doing.) I imagine, even from the

Spoiler: rooftops

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we will hear the screams.

What do you say Lena Seymour Arc, Where Seymour calls Lena for New Shoots he planned for Her, And a Box of Dildos for her so She can give Beautiful Poses with them and Squirting all over the Place and Seymour this time Sipping some Juices

Spoiler: Lena Squirt

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[ffive]

You seem to have great expectations for this arc. I hope it does not disappoint you.

The "Dubai arc" discussion in the thread at this point: