I should have only specified in erotic/pornographic or amateur writing. But the reason why I said some male writers are able to "evolve" their writing is because a lot tend to have a very coarse writing when it comes to a character's sensuality and passive female characters. The context here is that a lot of male writers are transfixed in the usual male gaze of their writing. Female writers don't really "evolve" from male gaze do they? That is not to say that female writers don't have issues of their own. But it is disingenuous for you to accuse me of saying female writers aren't able to "evolve" in their writing when the context of evolve here relates to the male gaze. This is also not to say that I don't enjoy them but this is why one can perceive why something probably isn't written by a female. Compare the writing of the games in this site to smutty fanfic written by women.
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It isn't hard to write from the perspective of a male or female (fake it) and make it come across as legit if you understand the psychology behind how each gender typically expresses themselves in writing. Not to mention that when you have a game that's "typically geared towards the male gaze" (or has a chiefly male audience), and a female writer wants to make sure it connects with that audience, she can switch her style to do so. It's not beyond women to do so, just like it's not impossible for men to do the same for female-geared literature, it just takes skill (in writing), empathy, and a decent understanding of gender psychology.
If you understand that much, I'm really not sure what made you think Eva Kiss is a male.
EDIT: Also, it really isn't hard to write porn directed towards a male audience (as a female) and make it come across as legit. I'd even go so far as to say it's harder for a male to put themselves into the emotionally-based mindset of a woman without it coming across as cartoonish or overly-melodramatic.
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IMO Gillian is now Mike's (DJ) girlfriend 
. That would be a plot twist!
. That would be a plot twist! 
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why is all this rage, when what I am replying isn't for you or isn't about a game you made? As far as I can tell I gave my opinion agreeing with something someone else said. You are the one who seemed enraged for telling me to "grow the fuck up".
Everyone knows it is a game, that doesn't mean all women have to work on jobs where they sell their bodies or being forced into it if they want to achieve professional success. Not everyone has to write the same story over and over again, what end up being a problem in most vns, people copy others work and ideas, being unable to create their own. I pointed it was the second game from the same dev following almost the same story.
And she can find good guys, why not? Ian is the only good one because we control him. Robert forces a kiss when she already said no, Axel does the same, when she already said no as well. Then come the old dude, When she tells him no, he will kind of try to end her career where she can find no job if she doesn'r submit. On my gameplays I told him to fuck off, on all of them. She can even work as a model if she wants to, but she will be on control of everything, no one will control how she does her things and she will decide who she wants to fuck it, no one will try and force it into her.
No one is forcing me, that doesn't mean I can't point out things I don't like. But on the overall, I like this game and even have it on my list of best VNs, I just don't like some aspects of it and I have no problem in voicing it, you know why? because I already grew up.
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Even if it seems hard for you to understand there is much more diversity among men and women, both in terms of their own identity, their behaviour or choice of words. I thought that was a truism, but somehow these discussions keep coming up. There is absolutely no rulebook on how to speak correctly as a man or a woman, or how to experience or express sexuality. I think this is more important to you personally to somehow exert control and sort the world according to your own ideas, but it has nothing to do with Eva Kiss.
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So how much money would be enough?
It does not really make sense for her to fully employ people, she is likely giving out commissions. Definitely for backgrounds and music. Paying her colorist on a monthly basis would have been a colossal waste of money last year as all she had to do was chapter 9 and some reworks for the remaster. And the linework is likely even less time consuming.
So the ~10k she is getting now should already be plenty.
Okay.
One question, though. So how do you check? Once you figured out that one author can't be a woman, how to you check you are right?
To ease your mind, in her
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My first thought was that it is a joke
On second thought, maybe he is part of Holly's training? Ivy could show her how to seduce a guy and then make her watch them having sex and in the end participate. Ivy told Lena in Chapter 9 she should join them again for some fun so Lena could be part of it, too. Actually, that would be pretty hot.
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You either write your own story, where you choose to be the protagonist, or you stay sidelined, sidetracked,
a creep looking at others having fun.
In this game you have the luxury to become two different characters in making this game their story.
Should you wanna be a defetist about making this game the story of the protagonists they embody,
rather wanting to be a fly on the wall, the insignifficant creep looking at other NPCs going about their selfish business,
whine as you may, nothing will change the fact you guided your MC into the disgusting / unconfortable / bad scenes.
Whatever you choose, remember that the path you can actually influence is that of your MC, all others are kinetic.
a creep looking at others having fun.
In this game you have the luxury to become two different characters in making this game their story.
Should you wanna be a defetist about making this game the story of the protagonists they embody,
rather wanting to be a fly on the wall, the insignifficant creep looking at other NPCs going about their selfish business,
whine as you may, nothing will change the fact you guided your MC into the disgusting / unconfortable / bad scenes.
Whatever you choose, remember that the path you can actually influence is that of your MC, all others are kinetic.
I dunno. Eva has stated numerous times that she will not be including the male gays in her erotic content.
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so will Ian be able to date all the girls ? Emma had sex with Ian and Jeremey idk if we will be able to date her after this , plus what paths do u think we will have in the future ? i just wish we can have path for Ivy and turn her into good girl lol or Jessic she seems hot
This erotic VN needs some male moaning in some of the sex scenes, not the lesbian ones, of course, because that would be weird. I want to hear Ian's orgasm groans!
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That’s a reasonable clarification, but I don’t think it makes it any more warranted to claim that “he is no way a woman” with such a know-it-all attitude. I don’t know exactly what you consider the male gaze in ORS to consist of, but personally I think there’s distinctly less of that than in other similar games, and in porn culture in general—which is one of the things I like about the game. As Zedire and others have mentioned as well, a good writer will also understand how to write to reach their audience, and adapting to a male gaze should if anything be easier than the opposite, because it’s so dominant in so many areas of popular culture.
Yeah, I don’t really see why it would be necessary to add them one episode in advance, so I assume Eva’s done it as some kind of teaser—or as a joke, as you mention. The remaster also had that new background art for the bathrooms at Marcel’s workplace… just sayinMy first thought was that it is a joke
On second thought, maybe he is part of Holly's training? Ivy could show her how to seduce a guy and then make her watch them having sex and in the end participate. Ivy told Lena in Chapter 9 she should join them again for some fun so Lena could be part of it, too. Actually, that would be pretty hot.
I don't think it's so complicated. If my memory is accurate, the variable was holly_marcel. That basically tells me that he will form some type of relationship with holly specifically. By comparison, the variable for the asian dude was holly_guy. This means Holly will get some more focused development with the bouncer. Asian dude could just be an off-screen things or minor phone pictures, while Marcel will likely get real scenes.
We could speculate on the nature of the scenes. The straightforward progression would be some BBC corruption. If that seems a bit heavy handed, I could totally see some subverted expectations with a gentle giant approach.
I never said that people aren't diverse in their writing but there is such commonality among a certain male writers which can be seen in decades of film, books, and other forms of media that writers and scholars have pointed out this phenomenon and have distinguished it as male gaze. Even female writers that have highly sexualized female characters tend not to have the same characteristics. Unless of course you think this phenomenon doesn't exist or that their observations are false. It's not about me "exerting my control" when there are literatures and scholarly works that discuss this.
I don't think straight men generally like watching gay porn.
I guess that can be possible. I find it odd that they would do that to their writing when it can be noted that even men can enjoy erotic writing of women while not adhering fully to the male gaze and that female writers don't generally do this. But sure maybe Eva Kiss can be the exception.
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That is already used in chapter 7, when Ivy orders Lena to follow her to the bathroom to check her Stalkfap and use MDMA. There is also a new background outside the blazer. So it is not really a hint that things might happen there, just a missing background added, like the mall.The remaster also had that new background art for the bathrooms at Marcel’s workplace… just sayin
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For me, the struggles with predation in a male-dominated society are actually what make Lena a much more compelling character than Ian. Perspectives like hers rarely emerge in games, TV, or film, and the literary forms are pretty niche. Her background also comes into the foreground with Axel's presence, creating continuity and dimensions, while Ian largely emerges from the mists with a fully-formed group of friends and no real pressures beyond a dysfunctional boss whose attitude towards him can be ignored without any lasting consequences. He even has the luxury to spend hours writing his magnum opus -- when he's not drowning in tail.
It seems as though he would have been better positioned as a non-playable love interest for Lena, as I don't think he has enough texture for us to see the world through his eyes. The view from his window just isn't that interesting. I never find myself saying, "Man, how is he going to dig himself out of this hole?" Whereas Lena is always behind the 8-ball.