Yup yup, I let Ian and Lena treat him like a normal person would, especially as Ian who tolerates his entitled behaviour. Dude thinks he deserves Emma but won't take action. Complains about every other girl that Ian knows or is friends with. I haven't reached Chapter 10 yet, based on these comments I assume he gets worse.
But, it is a valid point. There are a lot of variables/routes that only open very specifically given certain actions and choices, like Emma route, for example and it's quite late in the game, which is a long game, btw. Now, i think a great solution would be a route builder and everyone would be happy. We have the example of "Where the Heart is" who did this, and it's so great.More people 'choose' not to see/view all available content.
Whine there is not enough content...
I like Louise on the Ian path. In her two other paths she's boring to me. I'm not really into lesbians just getting it on, only interesting when there's a guy also involved. The Jeremy path also isn't really interesting for me cuz why would I care about Jeremy neglecting his goth gf.
But with a milti-protag VN (even more so if played GGGB) then you know, before you even start, there will be numerous and multiple routes. So accept that or don't play. Don't play and then whine there isn't enough content on the path you want to see, because that will be a given from the very first update.
I doubt anyone would want to live with her, but she is can be an entertaining element to throw in in various pairings. She and Jeremy are mostly over, aside from the triangle with Lena. Lena/Louise is spiraling down, since Louise became even more needy and Lena shows no indication to be truly interested in her. So her getting interested in Ian, who likely already has one or multiple partners, is an exciting desaster waiting to unfold.
There's text variants which hinge on how much Ian has contributed:By the way, does anyone know if helping pay for the food changes anything in this update? Or does it only impact the Perry relationship when it happens? Perhaps he won't buy Emma's vegan burgers if Ian doesn't pay?
e "I see you guys are already hard at work!"
w "Good coals need time and care."
i "I hope you bought enough food for everyone!"
if v12_bbq == 2:
p "Of course. There's enough to l--{w=0.5}last for several days."
i "Nice."
elif v12_bbq == 1:
p "Don't worry about it. There's e--{w=0.5}enough for everybody..."
i "We'll see about that."
else:
p "I did what I c--{w=0.5}could. If only a certain someone had p--{w=0.5}pitched in..."
i "I have the feeling I shouldn't have trusted you with this..."
// ...
i "Damn, these burgers are amazing!"
h "Oh, wow! It's true... So tasty!"
w "Told you! I'm the BBQ Master and fire is my element!"
if v12_bbq == 2:
e "And these vegan burgers are incredible too! Cooked to perfection!"
p "I'm glad you like them... I bought different types. They have them in every flavor!"
e "Yeah, there's a ton... Do you guys wanna try one?"
h "I'd like to..."
if v10_emma_sex:
e "Help yourself! I don't think I'm gonna go hungry!"
e "Well, and if I do... I'm sure I'll find something to get myself filled up with."
else:
e "Help yourself!"
$ v12_perry_success += 1
elif v12_bbq == 1:
e "Mine is also very good! Thank you for getting a few vegan burgers too."
p "Of course... I wasn't sure which ones to b--{w=0.5}buy. They have them in every flavor!"
p "They're e--{w=0.5}expensive, though... I wish I could've gotten a few more."
e "Don't worry, I don't think I'm gonna go hungry!"
if v10_emma_sex:
e "Well, and if I do... I'm sure I'll find something to get myself filled up with."
else:
e "They look really tasty..."
e "I wish we had something else other than bread and potatoes for the vegetarian crew over here."
"Wade speared a burger with his fork and held it up to Emma's face."
w "It's not too late to join the dark side!"
e "No, thank, you..."
e "But a vegan burger or something would've been good..."
p "T--{w=0.5}those are too e--{w=0.5}expensive... I had to buy f--{w=0.5}food for the six of us, and also b--{w=0.5}beer..."
w "Beer first and foremost! Cheers!"
p "If s--{w=0.5}someone I know had pitched in..."
i "Hey, don't look at me. You're the organizer over here."
$ v12_perry_success -= 1perry_success changes. This is affecting potential outcome of Perry's confession, if Perry and Emma haven't hooked up before.
I didn't get the time to do that run, but for tormenting Perry in my new run I'll do that. I'll let you know if anything changes if we don't pay that clown.Overall I'd say it's a 7/10. There's lots of decent content, though some of it feels like extra padding on routes that already have lots of material (Holly with various men, Ian being with women he's been with before etc.). Typically I'd give it a mid score of 5/10, but the Louise texting and Emma scenes add some spiciness and treads some new ground, the scenes are generally really good, I can appreciate the quality of Lena/Axel and Ian/Holly even if I don't play their routes, and surprisingly I found the more tender moments between Wade and Ian rather sweet. Wade needs a pal, and Perry ain't one that's good for him. Pity some of my Ian's are shifty bastards who wanna get with Cindy.
By the way, does anyone know if helping pay for the food changes anything in this update? Or does it only impact the Perry relationship when it happens? Perhaps he won't buy Emma's vegan burgers if Ian doesn't pay?
To be honest this has made Louise immensely more interesting to me. Not in a "I like this girl now" kinda way, but just the sheer audacity has me sort of curious to see where it can lead with her and her various relationship combinations.
You can leave this sort of wild speculations off the next time. Not only are they wrong, they contribute nothing.
You seem to be under impression that a person who's had more than few sexual partners can't be possibly interested in books, or put up with a shitty job, or have good manners, or be devastated after discovering her most serious boyfriend to date has been cheating on her to the point where she'd shy away from getting close with anyone for a few months.
Do wild girls not cry after arguments with their boyfriend?
The same has been true for Wade. This release was finally the kick in the pants he needed to start to right the ship, to which I say good for him.
Even Ian can be pretty shitty (especially when he gets his chad variable up) it's just most people don't consistently take these options to brush people off or antagonize them. And they don't consider their character fucking everything that moves and cheating on their partner a bad trait.
You're not. It's pretty old now, but I have a whole post going over why I think that Louise was at the time a pretty sympathetic character (here) and that she is a better character than most people seem to give her credit for. But I also feel like there was more nuance to her character then and the subsequent chapters have flanderized her a tad to being more of the woman everyone here rages over. Doesn't mean I still don't think she's a good character, but she's unfortunately been lessened by either due to necessity of streamlining or because Eva's focus has been elsewhere.
I like her too, but mostly when she's obedient, that's why I always choose to go look for her over going with Mike, although it's not unexpected that Louise seeks affection from Ian just to show a little Interest in her, it was very fun to see that she gets horny just by talking nice to him.
Sure, but Ian is a player is optional, we can make him whatever we want, that's why we looking at Ian from different perspective, not like other characters.Even Ian can be pretty shitty (especially when he gets his chad variable up) it's just most people don't consistently take these options to brush people off or antagonize them. And they don't consider their character fucking everything that moves and cheating on their partner a bad trait.
This was one of tweaks/fixes added with this update. It's not unusual for ORS updates to touch up previous chapters/content (it just makes it easier to overlook just how much work EK puts into these things)