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BlandChili

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Kids these days. We used to have to do everything with bits of paper and a pen/pencil when I first started gaming lol. I use spreadsheets and notepad++ for nearly all VN's I play.

Back iinnnn myyyy daaayyyyy hehehe
Hey just because I'm not techno-illiterate doesn't mean I don't also hail from the pen-and-paper era. I actually still have an old notebook lying around somewhere, where I scribbled down details for my games like Diablo II runewords and what gifts my chosen bachelorette liked most in Harvest Moon! :ROFLMAO:
 
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People are turning so much on Perry even Stan keeps getting praise:KEK:
At least with Stan I can see how they've ended up in the situation they are but actively (if badly) trying to get out of it. Perry meanwhile seems to just want to be that person who peaked in school and wants to maintain that for the rest of their lives, while expecting those around them to also live that way.

Fucker charges Ian rent and is clearly pocketing it to maintain his own lifestyle.
 
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Every time I come back to this I completely forget how much of a genuine piece of shit Perry is as a character to the point they're easily the least-likable person in the game, which is saying something when half the cast are actively cheating on their partners.

At least with Stan it's someone who seems to simply be suffering from not having socialised as a child and therefore probably wouldn't be terrible if he actually got out and found some friends IRL, while Perry has friends somehow when his entire thing seems to be someone who just goes out of his way to be a miserable prick who not only resists any attempts others offer to meet someone but then actively ruin other people's relationships too.
There is Lena's mother too. My vote goes for her for least-likeable thing in the game.
 

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Eva has mentioned she will be adding scenes in the beta/final version of ch 12. Anyone have guesses as to what those may be? Is it going to be messages from characters who couldnt make it to the beach ie Alison, Cherry, Cindy?
 

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Really, because in later convos it seems clear he was only getting Lena's info to stalk her profile while his "concern" for Wade is easily more to do with him hating Cindy than actually liking Wade. If anything he seems almost parasitic when it comes to Wade, actively wanting to break them up only so he can fuck about playing video games with Wade rather than any actual concern for Wade's happiness.
Really really. This is how he acts at the beach house:
Python:
    "We cracked open some beers in the garden while Lena and Holly, helped by Wade, took care of the cooking."
    if wade_cindy == 2:
        p "I'd say Wade looks like he's back to normal, don't you th--{w=0.5}think?"
        i "Yeah, he looks alright to me."
        p "Cool. So he won't want any l--{w=0.5}lasting effects from that bad trip."
        e "No, of course not..."
        w "What are you guys talking about?"
        i "We were just saying we're glad to have you back with us. Will you join us at the beach tomorrow?"
        w "Yeah, sure."
    else:
        p "..."
        i "You look serious."
        p "Huh? No, I was just w--{w=0.5}watching Wade..."
        p "I'm having trouble seeing if he's b--{w=0.5}back to normal or not."
        e "I think he is..."
        i "Well, he's been pretty quiet and absent-minded during the whole day."
        p "Do you think he'll have any l--{w=0.5}lasting effects from that bad trip?"
        e "What? No... I hope not."
        w "What are you guys talking about?"
        e "It's nothing... Will you join us at the beach tomorrow?"
        w "I guess so..."
        "Wade sat down and lit up another joint while sipping his beer."
He's the only person who actually pays attention to Wade's behavior after the drug fuckup. (technically Ian can have a reaction too, but that's up to the player)
 
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jd8097619

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Really really. This is how he acts at the beach house:
Python:
    "We cracked open some beers in the garden while Lena and Holly, helped by Wade, took care of the cooking."
    if wade_cindy == 2:
        p "I'd say Wade looks like he's back to normal, don't you th--{w=0.5}think?"
        i "Yeah, he looks alright to me."
        p "Cool. So he won't want any l--{w=0.5}lasting effects from that bad trip."
        e "No, of course not..."
        w "What are you guys talking about?"
        i "We were just saying we're glad to have you back with us. Will you join us at the beach tomorrow?"
        w "Yeah, sure."
    else:
        p "..."
        i "You look serious."
        p "Huh? No, I was just w--{w=0.5}watching Wade..."
        p "I'm having trouble seeing if he's b--{w=0.5}back to normal or not."
        e "I think he is..."
        i "Well, he's been pretty quiet and absent-minded during the whole day."
        p "Do you think he'll have any l--{w=0.5}lasting effects from that bad trip?"
        e "What? No... I hope not."
        w "What are you guys talking about?"
        e "It's nothing... Will you join us at the beach tomorrow?"
        w "I guess so..."
        "Wade sat down and lit up another joint while sipping his beer."
He's the only person who actually pays attention to Wade's behavior after the drug fuckup. (technically Ian can have a reaction too, but that's up to the player)
That's still not explicitly caring about Wade's wellbeing out of altruistic reasons, and can still easily be read out of simply wanting to make sure Wade stays in that place where Perry wants him. His concern that Wade could change as a result of the bad trip could quite simply be not wanting him to leave his stoner-adjacent lifestyle.
 

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That's still not explicitly caring about Wade's wellbeing out of altruistic reasons, and can still easily be read out of simply wanting to make sure Wade stays in that place where Perry wants him. His concern that Wade could change as a result of the bad trip could quite simply be not wanting him to leave his stoner-adjacent lifestyle.
Sure, you can construct whatever headcanon you want about his motives, but at this point i'm not sure if anything short of Perry going down on his knees and proposing to Wade would convince you about his intentions not being just selfish. Perhaps not even then.

The thing is, at no point Perry displays motives you accuse him of, either. He doesn't say anything to such effect to anyone.
 

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Wait, for Ian&Lena&Holly throuple we need to pursue Holly with both MCs? Do I understand right? :unsure:
You understand right, but it's just not true. The throuple can also be started if Ian only ever got in relationship with Lena (and only being friends with Holly) The only factor which matters is Lena and Holly establishing a close bond (lena_go_holly = 5) and Lena not cheating on Ian with people other than Axel, because then she'll automatically decide she doesn't want to drag Holly into her messed up love life situation.
 

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Sure, you can construct whatever headcanon you want about his motives, but at this point i'm not sure if anything short of Perry going down on his knees and proposing to Wade would convince you about his intentions not being just selfish. Perhaps not even then.
Lol, dude it's not "constructing headcanon". All it states is that Perry thinks Wade is "back to normal". However given that Perry's desired normal is being an unemployed layabout who simply spends his days playing video games and smoking weed with Wade, and many of his previously expressed frustrations are whenever Wade isn't spending time with Perry, it's easily viewable simply as Perry being happy Wade remains in that slacker situation and that the bad trip hasn't also given him a kick up the backside to maybe do something with his life that doesn't revolve around being Forever 21.
 
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Hey just because I'm not techno-illiterate doesn't mean I don't also hail from the pen-and-paper era. I actually still have an old notebook lying around somewhere, where I scribbled down details for my games like Diablo II runewords and what gifts my chosen bachelorette liked most in Harvest Moon! :ROFLMAO:
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NAH. Potato head Robert takes the cake for me. Eff that guy :mad:
There are so many terrible characters in the game, main villain is not part of the who is the worst discussion. :LOL:
I agree eff that guy but Lena's mother is still the worst for me. Think about it, she knew Lena was working her ass off. She had to give up her dreams to help them, then she took all the money Lena gave and gave it to her brother who according to Lena, is good for nothing. She only realised she did not know where her daughter was living because she could not snitch on her crazy ex. Each time they talked on the phone, she was just bitching. If Lena wanted to hang out a little bit with her friends instead of taking an early train she acted like Lena murdered a sack of kittens and so on.

You understand right, but it's just not true. The throuple can also be started if Ian only ever got in relationship with Lena (and only being friends with Holly) The only factor which matters is Lena and Holly establishing a close bond (lena_go_holly = 5) and Lena not cheating on Ian with people other than Axel, because then she'll automatically decide she doesn't want to drag Holly into her messed up love life situation.
So Ian and Lena together. Lena has interest in Holly. Ian has interest in Holly. Lena not cheating.

So, what about Louise? Can Lena have something with her? Also what about cheating Ian? :unsure:
 
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Lol, dude it's not "constructing headcanon".
How else would you call something you're inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it? At no point Perry claims that he wants Wade to be this way or the other because this is what Perry wants for himself.

it's easily viewable simply as Perry being happy Wade remains in that slacker situation and that the bad trip hasn't also given him a kick up the backside to maybe do something with his life that doesn't revolve around being Forever 21
Or Perry is simply happy his friend appears to be back to his usual self because this indicates the bad trip he's went through wasn't harmful. But then he would be something more than just selfish prick with only his own interest in mind. And that'd be quite inconvenient for shitting all over him, so we can't have it.
 
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So, what about Louise? Can Lena have something with her? Also what about cheating Ian? :unsure:
Yes, Lena/Ian can have threesome with Louise without any impact on the throuple discussion, at least for now. Similarly Ian cheating doesn't seem to have impact, although it's too early to tell for sure at this point, because the discussion between Lena, Ian and Holly has yet to happen.
 

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How else would you call something you're inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it? At no point Perry claims that he wants Wade to be this way or the other because this is what Perry wants for himself.


Or Perry is simply happy his friend appears to be back to his usual self because this indicates the bad trip he's went through wasn't harmful. But then he would be something more than just selfish prick with only his own interest in mind. And that'd be quite inconvenient for shitting all over him, so we can't have it.
Funny how you claim I'm "inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it" when you're doing the exact same thing. You're reading a statement of his and interpreting it as purely "Perry wants the best for Wade" when it doesn't explicitly say that. Meanwhile I'm reading that statement and comparing it to prior context of Perry's behaviour to interpret it as "Perry simply doesn't want Wade to change for his own selfish reasons".
 
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Yes, Lena/Ian can have threesome with Louise without any impact on the throuple discussion, at least for now. Similarly Ian cheating doesn't seem to have impact, although it's too early to tell for sure at this point, because the discussion between Lena, Ian and Holly has yet to happen.


He earned a few points by currently being the only one that takes Lena's mother to a hospital that isn't treating her like shit.
Who is treating her like a shit exactly? Her husband does as much as he can as far as we know, Lena treating her well enough and they only have a problem if the mum does something awful. We don't know any other interaction she has. Oh, even crazy psychopath brought chocolate to her and was nice to her.
 
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