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Jplays512

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Like alison turns into a antagonist if ian denies her ???? Sounds interesting but how would that go?

Like ian date holly is happy what is alison gonna do about out ? Like seduce guys?
I mean isn’t that Alison’s main strategy? Jeremy is one of Ian’s really good friends and while she is sleeping with him she is constantly trying to get with Ian.
 

donorys

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As a gay man, I like Ian :giggle:

But I can't help there seems to be some sort of imbalance about Lena and Ian in the story. Lena has bigger circle of network, judging by their agenda list. Lena has more emotional/mental baggage; Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems. And there's Seymour who seems to want to take advantage of her. It's easier for Lena to raise her stats and money than Ian does. Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Basically, the game seems to favor Lena in terms of storyline, relationships, and development than Ian
 

dobzzz

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As a gay man, I like Ian :giggle:

But I can't help there seems to be some sort of imbalance about Lena and Ian in the story. Lena has bigger circle of network, judging by their agenda list. Lena has more emotional/mental baggage; Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems. And there's Seymour who seems to want to take advantage of her. It's easier for Lena to raise her stats and money than Ian does. Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Basically, the game seems to favor Lena in terms of storyline, relationships, and development than Ian
It's the quality not quantity that matters.
 

donorys

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It's the quality not quantity that matters.
I know, I just can't help but notice. And in this case, quantity may help with the quality since it serves as the foundation of the story. Supposedly. Compared to Lena, Ian is slightly more vanilla, so perhaps I think I understand why some people here are not too interested in him. He would make a good NPC love interest though...

I'm starting to think the game probably should have had only one playable protagonist, and that's Lena. I should probably also mention that, from my perspective, Lena has lengthier playable weeks than Ian, except in Episode 12 so far. I think
 

ffive

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Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems.
Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.

Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women
Ian's love interests: Holly, Cindy, Cherry, Emma, Louise, Alison, Minerva, Jess
Lena's love interests: Holly, Axel, Seymour, Mike, Jeremy, Louise, Ivy, Stan (lol), Robert (lolol), Jack, Marcel, Mark

Taking into account a number of these are simple hook ups or joke options, the range of available actual love interests is about even for them both.
 
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donorys

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Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.
Hm... true. But while strained, his dad doesn't suffer from any kind of sickness. Then again, we haven't really entered Ian's family life, have we?

I guess it's an accurate part of Eva Kiss's writing because in my experience, we guys don't really like to make a big deal out of things. But we do share our burdens to our best buddies too. But yeah, Ian is somewhat more financially challenged because he just doesn't have that much working opportunities as Lena does. Unless...

...unless Minnerva is the woman variant of Seymour for Ian? :ROFLMAO:
 

GokutheG

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Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.
Yeah Ian has it much easier than Lena. Not only does he get financial support from his dad he gets cheaper housing from living with Perry(and this is after Perry's friend got Ian kicked out). Ian just doesn't have to worry as much for money compared to Lena(unless fired) since he's supported by his dad and friend. This is compared to Lena where she barely scrapes by with no help from her family and in fact she's the one who tries to help them since her dad is recovering from illness.
 

ffive

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But there is a big difference between Lena and Ian is that he has job stability and she doesn't
Ian can get literally fired early on if he fails to get his employment ducks in a row. And his "stability" now hinges entirely on his job performance, something that's actually a part of the gameplay that will be resolved in one of next installments.

This is compared to Lena where she barely scrapes by
After the beach trip my Ian has 1 (one) coin to his name. You don't really scrape by more barely than this.
 

amber111

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As a gay man, I like Ian :giggle:

But I can't help there seems to be some sort of imbalance about Lena and Ian in the story. Lena has bigger circle of network, judging by their agenda list. Lena has more emotional/mental baggage; Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems. And there's Seymour who seems to want to take advantage of her. It's easier for Lena to raise her stats and money than Ian does. Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Basically, the game seems to favor Lena in terms of storyline, relationships, and development than Ian
I think it is because Eva is a Female writer, and unless you are a phenomenally good writer, there are going to be biases in the way characters are written. Just in the way, some male writer's portrayal of female characters might not be liked by women.
That is also the reason Eva avoids trans characters because she thinks she cannot do justice to their portrayal. GGGB being only a female perspective game to now 2 MCs, it is no surprise things are like this.
I think Eva still manages it decently well, specifically with so many paths for both MCs.
 

donorys

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I think it is because Eva is a Female writer, and unless you are a phenomenally good writer, there are going to be biases in the way characters are written. Just in the way, some male writer's portrayal of female characters might not be liked by women.
That is also the reason Eva avoids trans characters because she thinks she cannot do justice to their portrayal. GGGB being only a female perspective game to now 2 MCs, it is no surprise things are like this.
I think Eva still manages it decently well, specifically with so many paths for both MCs.
I think she wants to have two main character as the centerpiece because of the title too? It kinda warrants it; how Ian and Lena connected to each other via the people they meet, be enemies or friends with. Even if they don't end up becoming lovers, they are still connected in some way, hence the "red string". Maybe just me though

But it seems like the game favors Ian and Lena to be the official couple. Not that I mind~
 

GokutheG

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Wait, which update is this or how does this happen? Who is this friend?
In the beginning of the game when all of Ian's friends meet at the bar for the first time Perry tells the story of how on Ian's birthday he had a party at his parents' house. Perry's friend was so high/drunk and he trashed the place so bad that Ian's parents kicked him. That's why he's staying with Perry now.

After the beach trip my Ian has 1 (one) coin to his name. You don't really scrape by more barely than this.
Keep in mind not only can Lena also be in this position much earlier in the game her expenses are also much higher.
 

Socrambus

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Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.


Ian's love interests: Holly, Cindy, Cherry, Emma, Louise, Alison, Minerva, Jess
Lena's love interests: Holly, Axel, Seymour, Mike, Jeremy, Louise, Ivy, Stan (lol), Robert (lolol), Jack, Marcel, Mark

Taking into account a number of these are simple hook ups or joke options, the range of available actual love interests is about even for them both.
And his relationship with his mother seems to be almost non existant. The difference is that as emotionally unavailable as Ian's parents are at least they seem to be successful enough to support themselves and ever help their son financially.

Also, it's possible that Nat, Louise, Ivy and Gillian are added to Ian's list sometime in future updates.
 

donorys

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In the beginning of the game when all of Ian's friends meet at the bar for the first time Perry tells the story of how on Ian's birthday he had a party at his parents' house. Perry's friend was so high/drunk and he trashed the place so bad that Ian's parents kicked him. That's why he's staying with Perry now.
Oh wait. I misread that. I thought Ian could get kicked out of Perry's apartment within the timespan of the story. Not reminiscing :whistle:

Something tells me that Ian's family is actually quite loaded too. This may be stereotyping, but birds of a feather flock together. And it's not common for politicians to keep the people of the same reputation or higher within their circles, yes?
 

donorys

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Keep in mind not only can Lena also be in this position much earlier in the game her expenses are also much higher.
With high income comes great expenses. Ivy demonstrates that well enough...
In my last playthrough, at the end of episode 12, my Lena still have $10 while Ian has $4

I would be surprised if people who have lots of money don't spend their money excessively though. Especially if they're new money. Well, maybe some enterpreneurs or businessmen don't, but for average joes and sues...
 

GokutheG

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Oh wait. I misread that. I thought Ian could get kicked out of Perry's apartment within the timespan of the story. Not reminiscing :whistle:

Something tells me that Ian's family is actually quite loaded too. This may be stereotyping, but birds of a feather flock together. And it's not common for politicians to keep the people of the same reputation or higher within their circles, yes?
Yeah I think both of Ian's parents are successful in some form. That's why Ian's dad can help him out financially without breaking the bank. He only wants Ian to get to a position where he doesn't need the help anymore.
With high income comes great expenses. Ivy demonstrates that well enough...
In my last playthrough, at the end of episode 12, my Lena still have $10 while Ian has $4

I would be surprised if people who have lots of money don't spend their money excessively though. Especially if they're new money. Well, maybe some enterpreneurs or businessmen don't, but for average joes and sues...
I'm talking about before Lena even has the chance to really make money that's when things are expensive. This is more so if you don't have her sleep with Robert to keep the restaurant job things get tight. Especially if you don't have her go down Stalkfap/Seymour's routes. The cafe becomes the only stable form of income and that's in jeopardy if you don't help turn the buisness around(or be a complete slime ball and steal from them). This on top of sending money to the parents(I'm still hoping that there will be some payoff down the line). It's like Eva is trying to drive the player towards Seymour or atleast Stalkfap with how behind the hole Lena's finances can get. Especially if you want to customize her at all with mall items.
 

Socrambus

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Oh wait. I misread that. I thought Ian could get kicked out of Perry's apartment within the timespan of the story. Not reminiscing :whistle:

Something tells me that Ian's family is actually quite loaded too. This may be stereotyping, but birds of a feather flock together. And it's not common for politicians to keep the people of the same reputation or higher within their circles, yes?
Ian's dad seems to have a good job and they are probably well off but not rich. It looks like he lives of his (good) salary but he's not loaded like a Seymour type is.

I'm talking about before Lena even has the chance to really make money that's when things are expensive. This is more so if you don't have her sleep with Robert to keep the restaurant job things get tight. Especially if you don't have her go down Stalkfap/Seymour's routes. The cafe becomes the only stable form of income and that's in jeopardy if you don't help turn the buisness around(or be a complete slime ball and steal from them). This on top of sending money to the parents(I'm still hoping that there will be some payoff down the line). It's like Eva is trying to drive the player towards Seymour or atleast Stalkfap with how behind the hole Lena's finances can get. Especially if you want to customize her at all with mall items.
I agree, Lena's financial problems and urges seem to be designed to make her "corruption" path more tempting.
 

donorys

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I agree, Lena's financial problems and urges seem to be designed to make her "corruption" path more tempting.
The more I play the game, the more I'm curious how much transformation in terms of character can Lena undergo. I think even Holly can also be corrupted, depending on our choices as Lena. But to be honest, I'm scared of seeing Holly transform too much, to the point she loses her gentle, creative soul in exchange for more confidence and "slutty". But I'm also curious how would that end for her

Does Ian also have a corruption path or something? From the gallery, I think she and Minnerva can have a love/hate dom/sub affair, but I don't know if that counts
 
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