VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 ALPHA] [Eva Kiss]

[Andrea9999]

you mean less kinks? GGGB was real wild

I do not agree. It was just sex with very little erotica in my view. I liked it more for the humor; like Ashley showing up for a job interview in a "thug life" outfit and the like.

Here is the grandious thing: EK specifcally wanted NOT to make another GGGB copy. She wanted to create a new story and likely broaden her field of writing. Which, for the first 6 chapters, was going well, a little bland but had promise.

Then came the reworks....

I am a little curious as to what it was like back then. I looked back to when I first started posting and realize that it was during chapter 11 that I first began to play.

Considering were are supposedly 13 chapters into either a 16(if so, fuck this game entirely for how miss managed it has been) to 20 chapter fuck fest of likely more NTR, cucking, Andreas wet dream of Dubai and Tokyo slave route or whatever bullshit, it will be More, not less.

It could be that EK is writing very slowly so as not to spoil an erotic adventure. It is much easier to lazily throw in a shallow sex fest than to slowly tease your way in the mind gaming fashion that the LSD arc demands.

Btw, SerHawkes , while I respect your wanting to see a Tokyo slave route, I do not believe it is in the cards. If Lena does ever leave Dubai, I fear the final destination will unfortunately, be Bangkok.

edit: I would like to point out, for what it is worth, that when I began the game (chapter 11), the genre listed "light BDSM" whereas now it has been changed to "BDSM".

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

I fear the final destination will unfortunately, be Bangkok.

Damn, Lena gonna get that surgery and finally fuck every male in Baluart.

 

[Andrea9999]

Damn, Lena gonna get that surgery and finally fuck every male in Baluart.

*sigh* wishful thinking. A common surgeon's refrain: "It is easier to dig a hole than to build a pole".

 

[SerHawkes]

I am a little curious as to what it was like back then. I looked back to when I first started posting and realize that it was during chapter 11 that I first began to play.

It could be that EK is writing very slowly so as not to spoil an erotic adventure. It is much easier to lazily throw in a shallow sex fest than to slowly tease your way in the mind gaming fashion that the LSD arc demands.

Btw, SerHawkes , while I respect your wanting to see a Tokyo slave route, I do not believe it is in the cards. If Lena does ever leave Dubai, I fear the final destination will unfortunately, be Bangkok.

Not much has changed from back then until now, with the exception to the reworkings of Stan and Wade, and Billy's whitewashing which to this day hasn't been explained. Ever since around Chapter 6 and the start of the reworkings, things have gone from a story that could have had either Lena vs Geymour or give into it, and Ian go either way with his writing or martial arts, and firmly build up the pairs and characters already in the game (which EK had said in a FaQ that she wasn't going to expand on the cast of characters at the time because there were already too many, lo and behold that turned into a lie) through each chapter, has turned into what we currently see now.

To me, and I'm sure others will agree with me here, EK lost her confidence in her own writing. Rather than stick with her story and give a little pandering here and there and let her story be it's main focus, she stopped doing that and has gone full on 'gotta try and make my patron happy with kink shit'. That's my analysis of what this games turned into.

Also, I don't want to see the Tokyo slave route, or anything involved on that route with Geymour. I want my Lena happy with Holly and my Ian with Ivy and 12 kids. Sadly, that part won't happen any time in the next decade.

 

[Andrea9999]

Also, I don't want to see the Tokyo slave route, or anything involved on that route with Geymour. I want my Lena happy with Holly and my Ian with Ivy and 12 kids. Sadly, that part won't happen any time in the next decade.

I know that; I was having some fun. Excepting the work load, there is no reason we can't both be satisfied via branching routes. I do not play a porn game for romance.

 

[komfolk]

Speaking of unpopular characters I rarely see any fans of Cherry on here.

I like cherry but she is a plot device for lena. thats why her story is not that interesting.

 

[Blurpee69]

I like cherry but she is a plot device for lena. thats why her story is not that interesting.

What? Have you played her full route? She reveals quite a bit about herself during and after the art gala, gives her a lot of the depth she was lacking prior. She also has one of the better responses to Ian's moon pic on the beach.

 

[MADMESS]

Where's our hero?

 

[elysium1988]

Where's our hero?

There are no heroes left in this world anymore bro. Atleast not in Eva Kiss' world

 

[GokutheG]

The biggest problem is with the way Cherry's introduction is handled. The only way to start her route is in the very first meeting with her. Every other LI you have a bit of time to get to know them before deciding to start anything. I wonder how many people didn't even know she has a route/that they missed it since they thought they could start it later. Personally she feels like a dlc character(like Jasmin) who was designed to not really mess with the story. That would explain why she barely interacts with anyone else.

 

[yuvce]

The biggest problem is with the way Cherry's introduction is handled. The only way to start her route is in the very first meeting with her. Every other LI you have a bit of time to get to know them before deciding to start anything. I wonder how many people didn't even know she has a route/that they missed it since they thought they could start it later. Personally she feels like a dlc character(like Jasmin) who was designed to not really mess with the story. That would explain why she barely interacts with anyone else.

And then after you start her route, you have to wait 4 chapters for her next scene (not counting sexting). That is if you haven't swapped to Alison's. Most of her scenes coming from chapter 9 and onwards is no coincidence.

 

[NewSeal]

Billy's whitewashing which to this day hasn't been explained.

Not that it matters to the discussion or at all but EK did explain in a Patreon Q&A a couple years ago why she turned Billy white. The reasoning however was really poor. If memory serves it was something along the lines of "there's already a black character in the game" or that she didn't want it to be too similar to GGGB with the playboy black dude and his friend spitroasting white girls. Her answer was posted on this thread at the time but I can't find it. As for the change itself, hey at least it didn't take like 6 months to basically only change a character's appearance amirite Stan

 

[BlandChili]

Not that it matters to the discussion or at all but EK did explain in a Patreon Q&A a couple years ago why she turned Billy white. The reasoning however was really poor. If memory serves it was something along the lines of "there's already a black character in the game" or that she didn't want it to be too similar to GGGB with the playboy black dude and his friend spitroasting white girls. Her answer was posted on this thread at the time but I can't find it. As for the change itself, hey at least it didn't take like 6 months to basically only change a character's appearance amirite Stan

It happened right after Alison could get into a threesome with him and Jeremy and the collective fandom started frothing at the mouth over it (for various reasons). So that tracks.

 

[NewSeal]

It happened right after Alison could get into a threesome with him and Jeremy and the collective fandom started frothing at the mouth over it (for various reasons). So that tracks.

Yeah I remember Alison's threesome with Jeremy at first being with black Billy, before his rework. Didn't think that many people cared though, as his personality was unchanged and he's a minor side character so does it really matter if the dude is black or white lol

 

[BlandChili]

Yeah I remember Alison's threesome with Jeremy at first being with black Billy, before his rework. Didn't think that many people cared though, as his personality was unchanged and he's a minor side character so does it really matter if the dude is black or white lol

A large segment of Eva's patreon supporters are into the BBC kink so yeah it did matter in the sense of the optics Eva wanted to avoid, whatever her reason for that is. Just look at the last character poll where a dude like Marcel, a character without a real personality or presence in the story, got into the top half of most liked male characters. And that's with the bland and sexually unimpressive Jeremy in first place too.

I don't doubt Eva will fulfill the kink but it's pretty clear she didn't want Billy's race to stand as an implication that the kink would happen through him.

 

[DS1Q]

And that's with the bland and sexually unimpressive Jeremy in first place too.

The funny thing is that Jeremy is likeable enough bro/friend character and he works well as that character. So he is fun presence on other routes specially if you want him to succeed with Ivy.

Feels like Marcel on the other hand only exists for the kink, it was kind of interesting for him to be into Holly but then the first scene is with him and Lena so it just became tired and boring.

 

[BlandChili]

The funny thing is that Jeremy is likeable bro/friend character and he works really well as that character.
So he is fun presence on other routes specially if you want him to succeed with Ivy.

Fair enough, maybe my perspective is different as a woman, I don't really find him that interesting as a friend to Ian either, but that might be impacted by how he treats Louise early on. That of course is seen through Lena's pov so not relevant for Ian to the same degree.

Feels like Marcel on the other hand only exists for the kink, it was kind of interesting for him to be into Holly but then the first scene is with him and Lena so it just became tired and boring.

Yeah it also felt a bit forced how it just popped up randomly. I'm not too offended by him as a casual sexual option, but that's mostly because I have so many objections to Lena's other male options.

 

[DS1Q]

Fair enough, maybe my perspective is different as a woman, I don't really find him that interesting as a friend to Ian either, but that might be impacted by how he treats Louise early on. That of course is seen through Lena's pov so not relevant for Ian to the same degree.

Yeah, I was mostly talking about Ian's perspective. He is a piece of shit on Lena's perspective that's absolutely true.

Yeah it also felt a bit forced how it just popped up randomly. I'm not too offended by him as a casual sexual option, but that's mostly because I have so many objections to Lena's other male options.

Its just absurd how terrible most of Lena's choices are when the best people are Ian if you decide to play him as a decent person and maybe Stan who is one moment away from becoming complete incel.

 

[BlandChili]

I think I'd be more impressed with Jeremy if he actually stuck to his guns and refused to get with Lena when he knows she's with Ian. That'd close off a cheating option to other people who enjoys that content, but I think it'd have done somewhat of a service to Jeremy's character if he could actually stay true to his professed boundary of not messing with his bros romantic interests.

 

[SearingFive]

I think I'd be more impressed with Jeremy if he actually stuck to his guns and refused to get with Lena when he knows she's with Ian. That'd close off a cheating option to other people who enjoys that content, but I think it'd have done somewhat of a service to Jeremy's character if he could actually stay true to his professed boundary of not messing with his bros romantic interests.

If Lena doesn't have bbc or big dick kink, during spin the bottle game if you continue till pulling the pants down for Jeremy. He will automatically stop Lena from pulling his pants down if she's dating Ian.