- Dec 23, 2018
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It's a year between ch. 9 and 10, but she didn't spend all this time on ch. 10. After ch. 9 she took a break and then made a remaster of the first 9 chapters. Only after that she srtated ch. 10 work
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So that makes it 6 months for an update (so far)? 7 if we assume a release in November? I guess I'll go in a hybernation for another month like I usually do XD
- Jun 24, 2017
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Ch 5 which was used to describe Ian side of the story, in early July, had 12 250 (I will round the number up a bit)
Ch 7 had 23 650
Ch 9 had 21 677
This is just an opinion, but i think that Ch10 will have around 24 000 - 25 000 lines in total. However, you can't use this number to calculate the release window. Ian side of the story took another 2 months to be finished (after the July announcement) and unless the chapter is really unbalanced, the total length didn't grew; it's still ~12k. Another ~12k for Lena and that's about it.
If you expect "3 updates worth of content", you will be disappointed. It's quite clear from all the updates, that the chapter won't be any different in size, compared with the last 3 updates.
"I can't assure if the length of a single play-through will be longer though, since a lot of the content is mutually exclusive"
Considering that after the remaster, all the saves are gone, if you didn't spent time to remake them, you might actually end up with a shorter
playthrough in this update.We will see. I want to find out what this really means: "every single scene is layered and plays out in a variety of ways" and "the hardest one to write thus far, for several reasons, one of them being it's mechanical complexity". After the alpha is out, I will draw my own conclusions about the complexity of chapter 10 (compared with the others). Until then, I will expect an update that is slightly bigger than the average, that will be released around Christmas. Maybe end of November, if the writing is finished in the next 3 weeks.
The problem, of course, is the height of the fall. The longer the update lasts, the higher the expectations of the players. But experience shows that it is usually a proverbial shot backwards.
I would appreciate more Ian content. More interactions and sex with the ladies. Maybe also a little teaser of what will happen between him and Ivy in the future.
I would appreciate more Ian content. More interactions and sex with the ladies. Maybe also a little teaser of what will happen between him and Ivy in the future.
Fuck no! I have no expectations whatsoever on EK anymore. I said if it hasn't it would be a blatant failure, which I assume is what will happen. Hopefully I'm wrong though
Here are all release dates put together by member bauman, if you want to "analyze":
- Jun 24, 2017
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Serious proposal: let's write conspiracy theories only after we see what chapter 10 it's like. It's easy to hate the dev now, when we don't know the extent of her work. I think it's better if we don't write stuff that we might regret later, if chapter 10 proves to be the best chapter to date and totality worth the wait.
P.S. I also have a conspiracy theory, but like I said, I don't want to write it down now. It will generate too much hate, considering that it involves another dev, beside Eva.
- Jun 11, 2017
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I for one think if she's already going to start making more connections between GGGB and ORS then she shouldn't be worrying too much on the fetishes and sex scenes being too similar to GGGB
If you (and other users here) don't like the remastered version or think it was unnecessary that's fine. Hell, I'm the last person to judge it since the current version is the first and only one I have played. But ignoring EK worked on that until april and expecting one year's worth of content from chapter 10 is ridiculous.
On another note: The dev report confirms those users here (including me, I might add) saying updates will take longer because all the choices the player can make mean more and more paths and scene variations ergo more work for the dev.
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- May 25, 2017
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I'm 'kiddo' only in your wildest fantasies, daddy. How did your appeal for a circle jerk big round of applause go; was it everything you expected it would be?
Ian can cheat; Axel can be a reprehensible antagonist; Mike can cheat.
I think you have accidentally watched far too much cuckhold porn. I don't think of Jeremy as a 'stereotypical black guy player'. I think Jeremy is well-written because as a confident person (bartender interacting with people all night long), physically fit and therefore attractive (gym, MMA), easy-going friend (interactions we have seen) he gets opportunities because of these attractive traits.
Moreover, I think you are insinuating that the character of Jeremy is a racist stereotype. I believe you would see your folly if you imagined Jeremy as an easy-going, confident, bartending, fit, white guy who was cheating - then you wouldn't be upset because white people were being negatively portrayed. That would sound weird, no? Like you sound to me.
Seems reasonable. Has absolutely nothing to do with Jeremy being black. Which is my point.
- Jul 3, 2021
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I think we all can agree that 2022 was a bad year for ORS, but let's relax for a second. This developer has produced more content than most others in this particular genre of games, and for a handful of well known creators this would even apply to their combined content released within the past ~5 years. This is Eva's second project, and she's always been very productive. Add to that the fact that Eva's renders are custom made and hand drawn, while the majority of developers out there use premade and already existing assets from DAZ Studio etc. Not only that, but her writing and storytelling are also on a whole 'nother level if compared to most creators.
I recommend for you to take a look at other developers like Gumdrops, ICSTOR, Lust&Passion and recently stoperArt, just to name a few. You might not be familiar with their projects, but if you were to follow any of these developers and their projects, you would have a much different view on things over here, I can tell you that much.
Granted, Chapter 10 has been a massive downhill ride from previous releases in terms of development time, and something is definitely going on seeing how terribly slow things are going this year, but you are going way over board with your statement considering what Eva has provided to her supporters and this community over the past few years. I think it's way too early to pull the "milking" card. Everyone can have a bad year. Now, if things don't change for the better in 2023, I might shift my opinion, but not today and not the way you've put it.
Interesting how she posted the exact same teaser on her "Weekly" status report from August 23. Would be nice to have a teaser that's actually new
- Oct 1, 2017
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I don't think that the failure of other developers excuses the failures of Eva. "Whataboutism" is not the answer.
This game had a constant release schedule of an update per month. That single month turned into 3 months. Then into 5 months. Then we got a pointless rework which took another 5 months and now, it's 6 months (and counting). I think we are far from "just a bad year" and I think people are free to criticize this game as much, if not more, than they currently are.
I will not get into this whole "Milking" accusations because I do not think this is the case. I simply think the Developer has continuously failed to deliver.
- Oct 29, 2017
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This here is key. By no means would I say this year has been "bad" or Eva is "milking" (new flash, she ain't.) The issue stems from the who pointless rework that again no one asked for it. Now she's trying to get back on track with the story and at the same time there are things going on in her life (writers block, personal stuff, taking much need vacations-which I don't have issue with we all deserve a break to clear our heads-same with devs). Yeah it sucks that we are almost to November and all we got this year was the pointless Rework. I think that once Chapter 10 drops we will get back into the regular build cycle of 3-4 months for updates, although I do hope Eva does consider extending her build to 5 months. That way it would give her some leway and not force her to push out updates and maybe it will help her write better and branch things more throughly.
And while I certain, most obviously, have my reasons and issue with Eva and the game, I'm not without saying that I see that she is indeed working hard, but really outta plan things out a bit more and actually get some feedback on things before going all half cocked with reworks that have been entirely pointless.
- Jul 3, 2021
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Well, you are right when you say that "Whataboutism" isn't the answer, but that wasn't really my intention. I'm just saying if someone's accusing EK of "milking", this someone should take a look at certain other developers and then come back here. That'll likely make them realize that what's going on can hardly be called milking, especially not seeing that EK is already working on her 2nd game, continuously pumping out top-notch content. She's even stopped charging her Patrons at one point for taking a break. Something barely any developer would do. (I guess that still kind of is "whataboutism", lol. I don't know how else to put it)
That being said, I totally agree that something is going terribly wrong in the current development cycle, and whatever it is, it started pretty much after Chapter 8. Like you said, development time has been ramping ever since. I don't know if Eva is just burned out or what, but what I personally am hoping for is that whatever it is that's holding her back will hopefully be resolved next year, which is why I said that everyone can have a bad year. And again, if that's not the case and things only get worse or stay the same, I will certainly shift my opinion into something much more negative. But for now, I wanna believe that Eva just had a bad year.
Cheers!
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- Feb 21, 2019
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inb4 she releases Ch.10 and people who only play a single playthrough say it's too short why it took this long.
I can already see it happening.
I have no problem because I try every possibilities every releases.
I can already see it happening.
I have no problem because I try every possibilities every releases.
- Jun 15, 2022
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It looks like Eva is trying to work with the game like DrPinkCake, make a game with multiple possible paths and high replay value. Although it is very difficult for her, it is clear that the project has become very hard for her. That's why she hired help.
In any case, I have saved all the road options except Alison.
- Nov 19, 2017
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No offense but I honestly think anyone who still supports ICSTOR or L&P is brain-dead.