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you are lena and ian lena is the MC you know that??
You are neither of these characters. Just like any author of a story isn't any of the characters, even though they explicitly control their actions and how the plot shapes out.

Ian can cheat on Lena, and Lena can cheat on Ian. Whether you personally self-insert in either of them is irrelevant.
 

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yes you are lena lena is the main protagonist that you play same as ian
Lena be a MC doesn't disqualifie her storylines with Axel and also Seymour as NTR when she is in love and in a relationship with Ian since he is a MC too. Same way, Ian/Cindy and Ian/Alison while he is also in love and in a relationship with Lena also counts as NTR to Lena (and yes, female MC's can also be the "victims" of NTR).
 

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Same way, Ian/Cindy and Ian/Alison while he is also in love and in a relationship with Lena also counts as NTR to Lena (and yes, female MC's can also be the "victims" of NTR).
I'd say that Ian/Cindy maybe isn't so much NTR as regular cheating, since it's not Cindy but Ian who plays the active role in this pairing and insists for it to continue, even if Cindy would rather stop it. It's similar to Lena/Mike in this regard, where it's Lena who pursues the relationship instead of Mike seducing her.

Ian/Alison, Lena/Axel and Lena/Seymour would definitely count, though.
 

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You are neither of these characters. Just like any author of a story isn't any of the characters, even though they explicitly control their actions and how the plot shapes out.

Ian can cheat on Lena, and Lena can cheat on Ian. Whether you personally self-insert in either of them is irrelevant.
Lena be a MC doesn't disqualifie her storylines with Axel and also Seymour as NTR when she is in love and in a relationship with Ian since he is a MC too. Same way, Ian/Cindy and Ian/Alison while he is also in love and in a relationship with Lena also counts as NTR to Lena (and yes, female MC's can also be the "victims" of NTR).
nahhh at this point you are cucking yourself thats not really ntr
 

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It is and the fact you self insert in the characters doesn't change that. The game not even was designed to make the players self insert in tha characters in the first place.
its a fact that if you jerk off yourself YOU ARE NOT having sex mateo_Oo_Olena the main protagonist cheating is not ntr
 
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Going with this logic the flagship relationship in this game, Lena/Ian pairing "isn't a relationship because you're a couple with yourself". And yet half of the game content is about it.
technicly you are dating yourself

I mean if we take the point that self insert and mc role is not that important most harem game have cheating so all big games would have ntr because self insert is not that important so almost all games are ntr with that logic because they almost all have mc cheating on someone that would mean that all big harem game guys are into ntr
 

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I mean if we take the point that self insert and mc role is not that important most harem game have cheating so all big games would have ntr because self insert is not that important so almost all games are ntr with that logic because they almost all have mc cheating on someone that would mean that all big harem game guys are into ntr
I... don't really understand this point. Yes, generally the harem games have what you'd consider cheating, that is the MC character sleeping with multiple partners while in relationship with each of these people. These games either ignore this aspect, or have the characters actually aware of such polygamy and okay with it.

But it's not considered NTR because MC character is the one who cheats, not the one being cheated on. In ORS you have a situation that MC is being cheated on, which falls under NTR. The fact that the character who cheats on them is (also) MC character is secondary here.
 

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You forgot my friend that this thread is on F95.
Let me remind you:


When it comes to NTR we want it avoidable not optional!:BootyTime:
WOAH WOAH WOAH... Thats plenty of reason for a copyright claim brother Vee... Because thats my meme man :KEK::KEK:.

Unfortunately it got deleted on a purge about NTR so... Its our meme now :cool:. Lets hope it survives this time :HideThePain: :LOL:

PS: I was going to post proof but I just figured out that you can change everything about a file (yes, even its date of creation :eek::eek:)

I... don't really understand this point. Yes, generally the harem games have what you'd consider cheating, that is the MC character sleeping with multiple partners while in relationship with each of these people. These games either ignore this aspect, or have the characters actually aware of such polygamy and okay with it.

But it's not considered NTR because MC character is the one who cheats, not the one being cheated on. In ORS you have a situation that MC is being cheated on, which falls under NTR. The fact that the character who cheats on them is (also) MC character is secondary here.
Well... What you said isnt completely correct. In the F95 tags, theres no distinction between the different NTR types. So Netori (MC is the one who cheats) is still NTR :KEK:. Netorare is the generally called NTR though. Theres even Netorase too :WeSmart:

The Netory tag however is in the new tags post the mods put out not so long ago but its still not in use by my understanding (or devs/posters simply dont want to use it). So, soon the tag "NTR" isnt going to create these stupid differences :WeSmart::WeSmart:
 

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But it's not considered NTR because MC character is the one who cheats, not the one being cheated on. In ORS you have a situation that MC is being cheated on, which falls under NTR. The fact that the character who cheats on them is (also) MC character is secondary here.
It's NTR and cheating (or netori in Ian/Cindy, Lena/Mike or Lena/Jeremy cases) at the same time, depending on which MC pov you choose.
 

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The fact that the character who cheats on them is (also) MC character is secondary here.
so you admit that its more like jerk off yourself than having sex?? because lena is the mc and she cheats on the mc but you are THE MC so you are cheating on yourself

I cant take lena/ian as ntr sorry

sure if it would be holly/ian , ian/cindy, alison/ian....... but we dont have this at the moment and maybe never will have unless they are single in this case it would also not be ntr if they can only be corruptet if they are single
 

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so you admit that its more like jerk off yourself than having sex??
I have no idea what would make you think this. I've already said what my personal view on this is -- i don't self-insert into the characters, so there's no distinction between these for me personally if any/all of them are player-controlled. It's characters having sex in any of these combinations.

I've mentioned the NTR/cheating in the context of how it's defined/perceived on this forum and the tag system it uses. For what's worth this system also doesn't appear to make any special rule if the character who cheats on MC is another MC. It certainly didn't stop this particular game from having netorare tag, whether you consider it justified or not.
 

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so you admit that its more like jerk off yourself than having sex?? because lena is the mc and she cheats on the mc but you are THE MC so you are cheating on yourself

I cant take lena/ian as ntr sorry

sure if it would be holly/ian , ian/cindy, alison/ian....... but we dont have this at the moment and maybe never will have unless they are single in this case it would also not be ntr if they can only be corruptet if they are single
So, by your (very weird) take, it's in fact impossible be NTR even in those other paths like ian/holly or cindy or alison or any other girl beside Lena. Because once NTR is a optional/avoidable route in this game, you the player have to actively pick the choices to make MC get NTR and be cheated on by those girls. But since you're the MC as you said, this also mean you're NTRing yourself and this is not true NTR in your book as you already said.
So, in conclusion, seems like optional/avoidable NTR is not NTR for you
 
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