VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 BETA] [Eva Kiss]

[Birdnman993]

In Good Girl Gone Bad Ashley had drug addiction problems, which greatly influenced her mood, then if she wanted you could deal with it and rehabilitate yourself with the help of her partner, in my case with Eva caring and supporting her to cure herself of her addiction , that was a beautiful moment that I will never forget.

So I wonder if Lena went through something similar with her drug use? If so, I hope it is Holly who supports Lena in this situation either as a friend or partner (preferably a partner) but only if you protected Holly from Ivy's influence to give more consequence to your choices.

 

[kolram]

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Mark is the Asian dude at the club, I think you're talking about Mike. Or maybe I'm forgetting something.

Even so, my point is that Lena having sex with Louise is cheating. Your counter was that Lena isn't romantically attracted to Louise. So another example of Lena having a sexual encounter with someone she does not have romantic feelings for is with Mark in chapter 10.

So either her blowing him in the club bathroom while dating Ian is not cheating to you or the romantic feelings thing was irrelevant.

The difference with Louise is that Ian is involved. Ian has stated that one of his fantasies is an FFM threesome and Ian and Lena have agreed to experiment together. Lena is essentially acting according to this agreement.

If this is the first time Lena has been with Louise since getting together with Ian then (IMO) it should not count as cheating.

 

[fatpussy123]

Well the main difference is simple: Sleeping with a girl and sleeping with a guy. Ian apparent view at the moment is, given how up front Lena is with him in admitting she is 'experimenting', that the "experimenting" is with another woman. In his eyes, he's not seeing that as a major deal, likely because 1. Lena is being up front about it, 2. Girl on Girl action is pretty hot, and 3. It's not like she is actively sleeping around in that instance.

That said, if she were to suck on Mark or Mike or Axel or Jeremy or hell forbid Robert, then yes, thats cheating, as she is seeing another man without Ian's knowledge or preverbal consent on the matter.

I agree. I am not Ian or Lena, neither is anyone else playing. So the characters have their own pre-established values and interest, (those that I suspect mirror the author's). For example we can't choose for Ian to have a threesome kink, he has one in every playthrough. We also can't give him a hardline stance against Lena sleeping with women prior to the threesome. He says he does not know how to feel about it and says he wants to be included in the future. Again I think later when we get to play as him I think there will be an opportunity for us to decide how Ian reacts, whether he says to always be included, allows Lena to sleep with Louise on her own time, or if he forbids it entirely.

All of that being said I still think Lena cheated on him given the facts of the situation. If they agreed to experiment. They explicitly state to experiment TOGETHER. And in a few scenes leading up to the threesome Lena and Louise have sex without Ian. If after they got together and they immediately invited Louise for a threesome that'd be different.

About it being different if it's the same gender. Cheating is subjective and is defined by whatever boundaries established in a relationship. Ian and Lena never agreed to be open, so the implied relationship is that of a closed one. Lena lucked out because Ian didn't immediately consider what Lena did to be cheating, certainly not how he'd have reacted had it been a guy, but Lena had no reason to know Ian would react the way he did and in her internal monologue she repeatedly thinks that it could be considered cheating.

In other words by definition and the their relationship boundaries Lena cheated, but Ian might not care because threesome.

 

[fatpussy123]

The difference with Louise is that Ian is involved. Ian has stated that one of his fantasies is an FFM threesome and Ian and Lena have agreed to experiment together. Lena is essentially acting according to this agreement.

If this is the first time Lena has been with Louise since getting together with Ian then (IMO) it should not count as cheating.

I'm not talking about the threesome, I'm talking about the times she slept with Louise prior to the threesome while in an official relationship with Ian.

The experimenting thing is irrelevant. She can pull the same shit if they don't agree to experiment and even in the experiment arrangement they never agree that Lena can fuck around outside of the relationship.

 

[kolram]

I'm not talking about the threesome, I'm talking about the times she slept with Louise prior to the threesome while in an official relationship with Ian.

My memory is a bit fuzzy here (and our play throughs may differ) but has this actually happened?

 

[SerHawkes]

I agree. I am not Ian or Lena, neither is anyone else playing. So the characters have their own pre-established values and interest, (those that I suspect mirror the author's). For example we can't choose for Ian to have a threesome kink, he has one in every playthrough. We also can't give him a hardline stance against Lena sleeping with women prior to the threesome. He says he does not know how to feel about it and says he wants to be included in the future. Again I think later when we get to play as him I think there will be an opportunity for us to decide how Ian reacts, whether he says to always be included, allows Lena to sleep with Louise on her own time, or if he forbids it entirely.

All of that being said I still think Lena cheated on him given the facts of the situation. If they agreed to experiment. They explicitly state to experiment TOGETHER. And in a few scenes leading up to the threesome Lena and Louise have sex without Ian. If after they got together and they immediately invited Louise for a threesome that'd be different.

About it being different if it's the same gender. Cheating is subjective and is defined by whatever boundaries established in a relationship. Ian and Lena never agreed to be open, so the implied relationship is that of a closed one. Lena lucked out because Ian didn't immediately consider what Lena did to be cheating, certainly not how he'd have reacted had it been a guy, but Lena had no reason to know Ian would react the way he did and in her internal monologue she repeatedly thinks that it could be considered cheating.

In other words by definition and the their relationship boundaries Lena cheated, but Ian might not care because threesome.

Fair thoughts, though I'd say agree to disagree.

Though the issue, and key one here, is that Lena gets away with everything while Ian, if he is caught, gets grilled like a ham and cheese sandwich. It's EK's shitty writing that does this. Let Lena get away without anything such as slap on the wrist while Ian can get his balls chopped off so to speak.

 

[fatpussy123]

My memory is a bit fuzzy here (and our play throughs may differ) but has this actually happened?

The Lena cheating on Ian with Louise scene prior to the threesome? Yes. Lena and Ian get together in chapter 9, Lena can ride Louise face, spank, and dildo fuck Louise in chapter 10 epilogue, the threesome then comes in chapter 11. Pretty sure there's another scene in chapter 10 with Lena and Louise, but it's pretty forgettable.

 

[I-No]

I found it odd how nonchalant Ian was about finding out Lena is cheating on him with Louise

But that's not cheating! That's more like adding spice to a relationship. I wouldn't complain...

 

[Xupuzulla]

Lena never takes her relationship with Louise seriously,feels like shes pity fucking her and going along just to have fun.
Even in the Mike or Ian threesomes shes kicked out after the sex like a dog lmao
Does anyone really want a Lena-Louise romance path?
She seems very unpopular in the polls...

 

[fatpussy123]

Lena never takes her relationship with Louise seriously,feels like shes pity fucking her and going along just to have fun.
Even in the Mike or Ian threesomes shes kicked out after the sex like a dog lmao
Does anyone really want a Lena-Louise romance path?
She seems very unpopular in the polls...

I want a path where Ian pities how Lena treats her and becomes a better dom to Louise than Lena ever was.

 

[Birdnman993]

Does anyone really want a Lena-Louise romance path?

Although Louise is nice at first, it soon becomes clear that she has many emotional problems that require a lot of therapy, so don't see it as a serious romance. Now, as Lena's sex toy, that is more appropriate. The girl is totally dependent and emotionally needy. I'm sure if Lena asked her she would appear on her onlyfans to have more subscribers.

Which leads me to wonder why this hasn't happened yet xD

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

But that's not cheating! That's more like adding spice to a relationship. I wouldn't complain...

I use to think that. Ask yourself this, if your partner is fooling around with women behind your back and you let her get away with it with no repercussions, how hard is to take that little next step to fucking men behind your back as well?

 

[Xupuzulla]

Although Louise is nice at first, it soon becomes clear that she has many emotional problems that require a lot of therapy, so don't see it as a serious romance. Now, as Lena's sex toy, that is more appropriate. The girl is totally dependent and emotionally needy. I'm sure if Lena asked her she would appear on her onlyfans to have more subscribers.

Which leads me to wonder why this hasn't happened yet xD

Inst Ivy always bragging and bragging about how much money she makes but never helps Lena out?
All her female friends are terrible people.

 

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[Birdnman993]

Inst Ivy always bragging and bragging about how much money she makes but never helps Lena out?
All her female friends are terrible people.

Yeeeeep, I feel very sorry for Lena, in general there are a lot of terrible people in her environment, as you say Ivy says she wants to help her, but she only wants to corrupt her without mentioning that she most likely sells drugs which is where she really gets so much money, Axel is a possessive and stalking bastard , her mother doesn't take her feelings into account or care about her, her brother is a parasite that we don't even see his face and Mr.Ward looks like a villain straight out of the movie The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

And I could go on but that would be too long, the only truly positive people in Lena's life would be Molly, her father, Ian and Holly.

 

[| Vee |]

Lena uses Louise as a bait to cover her cheating(Yes! it's cheating whether it is with a boy/girl or anything in-between) on Ian and satisfying her guilt of cheating "Oh Ian! I was doing this for you as you have this fantasy. I was just preparing her so you can live your fantasy" so that now Ian has fucked Louise too so he can't/didn't say anything as It was

1. A GIRL(most important one)
2. Ian get to enjoy his fantasy come true
3. with future possibilities of getting more from Louise or any other girl

BUT HE ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY SHOULD'VE! He should've slam it in her face that fucking logic, He CAUGHT LENA REDHANDED damnit and no way in the hell she was gonna tell Ian about this. Lena would've continue her thing with Louise as now Ian cannot get angry as he can get a Threesome or solo Louise here and there.
I too agree with fatpussy123 that there SHOULD/might be a choice coming in near future related to this OR something else which will put Ian in more power of IanxLena relationship! This issue is big enough in itself and If EK tries to avoid it and it is deliberately!

EDIT: Also Lena is mingling with Ivy and Holly too but didn't said anything to Ian and that alone tell you a lot about how her character is in-game(HYPOCRITE)

 

[| Vee |]

Inst Ivy always bragging and bragging about how much money she makes but never helps Lena out?
All her female friends are terrible people.

Now that you mention it IF Lena gives Ivy not expensive gift than relationship points drops(forgot how much they drop) and I thought that was weird as Ivy would've been more considerate of Lena's situation considering how she behaves regarding her.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Well the main difference is simple: Sleeping with a girl and sleeping with a guy. Ian apparent view at the moment is, given how up front Lena is with him in admitting she is 'experimenting', that the "experimenting" is with another woman. In his eyes, he's not seeing that as a major deal, likely because 1. Lena is being up front about it, 2. Girl on Girl action is pretty hot, and 3. It's not like she is actively sleeping around in that instance.

That said, if she were to suck on Mark or Mike or Axel or Jeremy or hell forbid Robert, then yes, thats cheating, as she is seeing another man without Ian's knowledge or preverbal consent on the matter.

Ah yes, the tried and true "it's fine if she's doing it with an XX chromosome" double standard.

 

[ffive]

i don't see why Allision wouldn't be open to it since she seems to be open to one with Jeremy

Alison is quite self-centered so i think she might object on the same grounds guys are usually far less enthusiastic about MFM threesomes than the MFF ones -- because she'd view another girl as her direct competition for Ian's dick, as opposed to having double fun herself. She's been pretty passive-aggressive about Lena in particular.

 

[MF_DOOM]

It' not cheating since neither commit to each other up until the talk, and even then he's fine with it because it's a female and not a guy. Simply put, have casual sex with females are fine and dandy, specially with friends.

"It's not cheating because it's a girl" is the dumbest argument I have ever heard to justify cheating.
This is next level facepalm.