VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[nevt2050ptr]

Ivy is an exclusive LI to Lena

SerHawkes in shambles

 

[| Vee |]

Ivy is an exclusive LI to Lena

For now! Let us live our dream!
Also their are too many variables of IanxIvy especially after the choice of v11_ivy_openup=True and
v11_ivy_flirt=True so, all hope is not lost! Check below attached spoiler!

Ahh, but this doesn't really mean anything outside of the mat. He can "expect" whatever he wants, but Ivy strikes me as someone who'd just render him a next Bobbit if he tried to dictate things in bed. And especially if he tried to keep Ivy away from Lena, who is pretty clearly Ivy's real person of interest.

I absolutely agree that Ivy is most interested in Lena But that's a plus for Ian as it will be easy for him to mingle with Ivy as Ivy is already involved with Lena and with Lena also opening her cards to have threesomes other than Louise, that's a win for Ian already. Also, after their talk in this scene I think coin may toss in Ian's side IF HE IS LUCKY by lucky I mean If EK let it happen otherwise Ivy will remain lesbian/virgin and will have an ending with Lena of some sort.

Spoiler: IanxIvy Progress CH11

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[bitofaperv]

So I played this game on the update and realized that overall, this game is lighter on actual story plot when compared to GGGB.

It's very much like a sex fueled soap opera, since all your options matter much less than your sex life does.

In GGGB you could end up with a good job or end up in prison, the choice was yours... but in this game all that seems to matter is how much drama do you want based on how many people you are having sex with.

Both men and women virtually throw themselves at you so it is not a good dating sim like say... Leaving DNA or even Intertwined, which has at least a few girls you actually have to date and won't gave sex right away.

I guess that's all there is to it, and when sex is a cheap commodity as it is in sex VN games, if there is not an interesting story nor some other interesting themes at work (a good mystery or scifi for me), I tend to kind of lose interest.

Unending Void, for all it's flaws, STILL has more of a story going on than ORS, and Leaving DNA has left them in both in the dust from it's inception because of how character and story focused it is.

I won't even mention COBD... the story left the building in that game several updates ago and it became a sheer sex fest.

The bad thing about this is that it didn't start this way.

Up till around episode 7 or 8, there were a lot more meaningful character interactions. Since then it has gone down the "appease the fetishist route" which is fine, but I feel like I was duped into getting into the game with the promise of a good melodrama with great character relationships. It's got to the point where the story is unsatisfying. I love the art and find it endlessly fappable, but that's not what brought me on board.

 

[bitofaperv]

Bruh.... GGGB right now is TRILLIONS times more better game. ORS is vanilla soap opera. GGGB still the best game ever. Magnum opus of Eva Kiss

Art is worse, characterisations are worse (they, like ORS lean on archetypes heavily, but they are much thinner in GGGB, each character serves a single purpose, they are very basic as a result), plot is equally loosey goosey.

The sexual scenarios are better, but you cannot make a value judgement on something that is mostly subjective, because by the few objective metrics you can point out between them, ORS is superior.

Do I think I will be as fond of ORS in the end? No. But I also don't think I can make the statement that GGGB is a much better AVN. I enjoyed it more (so far, ORS isn't finished but I am not confident it will stick the landing at all given the last few episodes), but when I think of metrics like art and robustness of character, it is a lesser game.

 

[rj677]

Art is worse

but when I think of metrics like art...it is a lesser game.

Well, I never understood people who use "art" as a metric to evaluate any games, but when its used to evaluate 2 games made by the same dev its when I just get confused .

The more time passes, the more the devs learn and more upgrades in software and hardware come out... So, ORSs art being better than GGGBs to me was a given and it is obvious. Look at other devs and you will definitely see a difference for the better in the art/renders/animations department in subsequent games .

An example in AAA games: GTA 5 has better "art" than GTA 4 but thats solely because of the time difference of their release. But story wise, almost everyone agrees that GTA 4 is WAY better. I dont have an opinion of GGGBs story because I simply havent played that game enough to bring anything to the table in terms of story

 

[bitofaperv]

Well, I never understood people who use "art" as a metric to evaluate any games, but when its used to evaluate 2 games made by the same dev its when I just get confused .

The more time passes, the more the devs learn and more upgrades in software and hardware come out... So, ORSs art being better than GGGBs to me was a given and it is obvious. Look at other devs and you will definitely see a difference for the better in the art/renders/animations department in subsequent games .

An example in AAA games: GTA 5 has better "art" than GTA 4 but thats solely because of the time difference of their release. But story wise, almost everyone agrees that GTA 4 is WAY better. I dont have an opinion of GGGB because I simply havent played that game enough to bring anything to the table in terms of story

It is a given that she is better, you're right. You presenting it like you're arguing with me when you're taking the same stance. You've also completely mischaracterised what I said so you could do a "gotcha".

ORS has a professional colorist and Eva Kiss has better linework from her experience. It is an example of an objective factor in the presentation. The fact I have to clarify the minutiae because I used the term "art" as a catch all is really fucking annoying.

 

[bitofaperv]

That's literally what we all play these games for LUL

You want story go read 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea.

Reductivism at it's finest.

"I lyk dis so ebberybuddy mus fink da saym."

 

[fatpussy123]

ORS and GGGB are visual novels. So of course the art and the writing are going to be the most important aspects. The art is obviously better in ORS, I don't think many people would contest that. Writing wise it's more subjective. GGGB had more focus on fetish elements, corruption, and darker themes. Those were it's positives, it's negatives were mainly with its reliance on stereotypes and one dimensional characters. ORS isn't as heavy on the dark elements, but uses a lot of the same stereotypes as GGGB, but builds upon them with more characterization.

Tyrone is the BBC fetish stereotype? Jerome is too, but is also the friend of Ian, a guy with little backbone that leads to him messing with Louise and potentially pursuing the girl his friend has an eye on. Jack is the chad stereotype? So is Axel, but he is insecure, manipulative, the ex of one of the MCs, and a minor antagonist to the other MC. You get the point how ORS builds upon GGGBs stereotyped characters.

The last thing where the writing is different is the inclusion of Ian. He is not only a love interest for the female MC, but also an MC himself. EKs patrons don't seem to be fans of him as much as they are of Lena. Personally I prefer ORS, I like the characters more, the art more, and I don't notice any dip in quality for the writing during sex scenes. I also prefer Ian over Lena, so that might play a role into it and make me biased in a certain direction.

 

[MF_DOOM]

That's literally what we all play these games for LUL

No, This is why YOU play these games.
For me, I like hand drawn art, some good realistic sex scenes and a good story with it.
If I didnt care about the story, what is the point of playing a VN? I would just watch some porn and be done with it.

 

[Reaurt]

Here is the exciting continuation of our September 2023 Q&A with EvaKiss Summary Series. She hasn't responded to the remaining questions in the last few days, and the questions are getting a bit repetitive, so this may be the finale.

Previous summaries were here and here.
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22) She strongly implied that there won’t be incest in this game (ORS).

23) Eva is planning on writing future sexy scenes with Jessica but can’t say for future scenes with either Nat or Gillian, implying no immediate and concrete plans for them as it comes to sex scenes.

24) Bimbo Alison will show up more.

25) Eva envisions doing the long epilogue style endings for ORS like she did with GGGB.

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

27) When asked if she would start implementing wilder or more hardcore scenes in ORS, like in GGGB, Eva responded that she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic.

 

[Gicoo]

No further Gillian scenes? Then why the fuck tease us with the humiliating dream in the first place? Also makes the drama with Mikes girlfriend less dramatic.

I don't mind Nat being a pure cameo, so why even tease her and Ian by making him able to flirt with her?

The rest was expected.

 

[fatpussy123]

No further Gillian scenes? Then why the fuck tease us with the humiliating dream in the first place? Also makes the drama with Mikes girlfriend less dramatic.

I don't mind Nat being a pure cameo, so why even tease her and Ian by making him able to flirt with her?

The rest was expected.

I agree. How does getting Nat's number not lead to a path or atleast a scene with her. Especially when we have seen how she operates in GGGB. While in a relantionship she was down for a threesome with Ashley and one the guys Arthur, Dave or Jack. No way Ian cant pull Nat.

 

[ffive]

Could be simply something that EK keeps on mind as a possibility, but not 100% guaranteed, given they've already made decision to axe some of potential content for other characters.

Lack of sex with Gillian might actually be something intended for cuck connoisseurs around here

 

[Xupuzulla]

So Alex gets to fuck the shit out of Lena but you cant hatefuck Gillian...nice EK...nice...

 

[| Vee |]

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

My reaction:

And Reaurt this is for you for delivering "HAPPINESS"

No further Gillian scenes? Then why the fuck tease us with the humiliating dream in the first place? Also makes the drama with Mikes girlfriend less dramatic.

I don't mind Nat being a pure cameo, so why even tease her and Ian by making him able to flirt with her?

The rest was expected.

I agree. How does getting Nat's number not lead to a path or atleast a scene with her. Especially when we have seen how she operates in GGGB. While in a relantionship she was down for a threesome with Ashley and one the guys Arthur, Dave or Jack. No way Ian cant pull Nat.

She is simply saving for "DLC" IF she is planning to release DLC and not cut content as did with ORS.

So Alex gets to fuck the shit out of Lena but you cant hatefuck Gillian...nice EK...nice...

I think Lena has EK's attribute "Hypocrite"

 

[bauman]

I have to agree. If there are no plans on additional Gillian and Nat content, why waste time and resources in expanding their scenes in the first place? Also, it seems like Ivy won't get too involved with Ian. We'll get a pity scene or two, likely as a fan service, but I suspect there won't be an elaborate branch.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

wow that Gillian news is a massive letdown

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

wow that Gillian news is a massive letdown

I have a save game Gillian route ready to go. Ah well, she might stir things up and make things interesting

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I agree. How does getting Nat's number not lead to a path or atleast a scene with her. Especially when we have seen how she operates in GGGB. While in a relantionship she was down for a threesome with Ashley and one the guys Arthur, Dave or Jack. No way Ian cant pull Nat.

Exit strategy after taking on more of a stretch than she can handle.

EvaKiss: "Hey guys, look! It's Jeremy's dick again, and it's growing! And look! Cindy's doing Anal now!" *Throws dirt in your eyes and runs off in the other direction towards an entirely new game*.

Can't say that I blame her, honestly. I'm sure she'll finish up what she can re: main storylines to keep herself and most patrons satisfied. But the vast undertaking has turned into a much longer haul than I'm sure (s)he's expected. Still likely two+ years left of development even after cutting out several of the teased side routes.

 

[rj677]

It is a given that she is better, you're right. You presenting it like you're arguing with me when you're taking the same stance. You've also completely mischaracterised what I said so you could do a "gotcha".

ORS has a professional colorist and Eva Kiss has better linework from her experience. It is an example of an objective factor in the presentation. The fact I have to clarify the minutiae because I used the term "art" as a catch all is really fucking annoying.

Do you know whats really fucking annoying? People in F95 who get offended when someone uses/replies to their post, a post that has nothing wrong, to get their own point across. The "assuming"/"reading between the lines people".... But lets agree to disagree, Im wrong you are right and leave it at that

But I wont go into another argument with someone who felt attacked by me, especially when we have important things to debate

Here is the exciting continuation of our September 2023 Q&A with EvaKiss Summary Series. She hasn't responded to the remaining questions in the last few days, and the questions are getting a bit repetitive, so this may be the finale.

Previous summaries were here and here.
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22) She strongly implied that there won’t be incest in this game (ORS).

23) Eva is planning on writing future sexy scenes with Jessica but can’t say for future scenes with either Nat or Gillian, implying no immediate and concrete plans for them as it comes to sex scenes.

24) Bimbo Alison will show up more.

25) Eva envisions doing the long epilogue style endings for ORS like she did with GGGB.

26) Ivy is primarily intended as a major character in Lena’s story, but Eva plans to have Ivy be more involved with Ian’s narrative “down the line”.

27) When asked if she would start implementing wilder or more hardcore scenes in ORS, like in GGGB, Eva responded that she intends to build up the spiciness of the scenes in ORS but wants to keep the story semi-realistic.

First of all Reaurt for posting these .

But unfortunately this is one of those Q&A answers I wish I didnt see . I cant say Im surprised by any of these statements, but its still sad to see some them anyway...

Gillian coming in as she did in chapter 11 just to had a "btw not a planned LI" is just confusing. I get it for the story, but why make Ian fantasize about her in full sex mode? Why have Ian get Nats number if its not intended to be used?

Same point to Ivy... The amount of teasing and then variables implemented in the game that would suggest she would be a legitimate option to Ian, just for our hopes to get semi crushed when she says in the end of chapter 11 out of 16 that her content is going to be "down the line" .

I knew Ivy was a primarily Lena character, but if thats the idea then why have the constant teasing with Ian? Im sure everything will make sense when all is set and done, but for now its a bit sad to see some characters not getting their storylines developed. Throwing IanxLouise in there too .

Edit: Like other people said, this might be a sign of content being cut out too. But that doesnt make me feel less sad