VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[GrenGren]

I remember how in GGGB we can choose in some scenes if we want it or don't, Why don't give the option to the player here?
I'm fine with fetish stuff, don't know about condom's fetish, but give us the option to choose.

Dude it's version 0.3, and those scenes are with Robert, who seems like the kind of monster that would slide his condom off mid sex, the fact that condoms are a thing also hints that maybe bareback sex will lead to pregnancy.

 

[SatanLovesYou]

Agreed. It's not like I'm into it but I wonder if he'll provide an opportunity for Lena to experience true BDSM lifestyle with him with bondage, whipping, master/slave relationship, etc. He values her wits and is very impressed if she outsmarts him, so I doubt he's interested in breaking/corrupting her like Ethan in GGGB but rather wants someone who shares his outlook. While GGGB had some forms of Ashley's submission, most of the time it bordered on rape or was just occasional domination roleplay during vanilla sex and Arthur just didn't cut it. True BDSM would bring this kind of novelty to ORS and make it stand out even more. It could also lead to a lot of interesting scenarios, potentially involving other characters as well (Ivy, Cindy, maybe corrupted Holly, or even Ian).

I don't really get that vibe from him yet but you never know what type of secrets the rich and powerful have. When you are good at charming others and wearing masks with different personas it would be pretty easy for him to be into BDSM. I stated "Master" more along with his context to the philosophical debate he has with you when you state you are a "child" not a camel or lion. Clearly he believes that only a few select individuals have the power to manifest destiny the way they wish. Might be he sees more potential in Lena then even we as players do at this point.

I'd say Eva getting dom'd on by Ash in GGGB was pretty much BDSM for the masses. And like Crowley said most generic and acceptable forms of BDSM are between equals.

I have trouble seeing it, honestly. Seymour is richer and has more class than Ethan, but he really didn't strike me as the sort to present a 'true' BDSM relationship, which ultimately is based on the participants being equal and respectful of each others' wishes. Seymour is a smug asshole, his psychoanalysis is shallow and entirely based around him showing off how much smarter and more powerful he is than everybody else in the room. 'True' BDSM is about two respectful and equal people with sharing complimentary interests in a way that suits both of them. It's not a stretch to imagine Seymour being interested in BDSM, but it would be entirely self-indulgent - he's entirely in it to prove to you and to himself that he's better and more powerful than you and that it's right that you should serve him.

Hard to gatekeep BDSM and say what the TRUE version of it is. But yeah on average I'd say it tends to be on equal grounds for the most part of it. Of course it's on a spectrum that goes all over the place and has many extremes so.

I also don't think Seymour is a show off, smug asshole for sure, but psychoanalysis tends to be from a logic based perspective off of what you studied and your own life experiences. Shallow? Probably, then again I can understand the type of character that would have that type of life analysis. From the way Lena described him he seems like a calculating wolf in sheeps clothing type of guy, compared to a real life person like let's say Logan Paul or some other e-celeb that is loud and shows off every chance they get.

It's the difference of someone who rules with their wealth and power, and someone who burns it brightly to capture fame and glory even if it won't last.

I remember how in GGGB we can choose in some scenes if we want it or don't, Why don't give the option to the player here?
I'm fine with fetish stuff, don't know about condom's fetish, but give us the option to choose.

I want to say that Eva might be going a little more realistic in this approach. In GGGB you had really young college students and a pretty unrealistic story for the most part, sure guess people could get lucky like that but yeah. Young and Dumb. Most of the Cast so far is in or past their mid 20's and done with college. Just like in any sort of realistic setting not wearing a condom isn't really a choice that's on the table for most sexual encounters. I'm sure the options will open up later.

 

[Johnysilver771]

i am waiting for Ian`s route with Minerva, Cindy . Lena - mr Ward, Ed. Lena - Ivy , Louise

 

[Jackytheman]

The thing I really liked about GGGB was corrupting the female protag, and with multiple protags and Ian in red string I feel like it won't be as good as GGGB was, atleast for me.

 

[MMUN]

is that you，Solskjær（Seymour）？

 

[BloodyMares]

The thing I really liked about GGGB was corrupting the female protag, and with multiple protags and Ian in red string I feel like it won't be as good as GGGB was, atleast for me.

Well, not every game is for everybody. Different genres are welcome. But stick around, you might be surprised with what Eva has in store (the scripts keep many secrets... ).

 

[SatanLovesYou]

I want to see what Ian's career paths might be. It seems like Lena has writing music, Pole Dancing/Corruption options, and Artistic modeling and the sort. Ian just has writing. I wonder if he might have an MMA path? Maybe Music again since he played in a band in highschool?

 

[CrowleyJ]

Hard to gatekeep BDSM and say what the TRUE version of it is. But yeah on average I'd say it tends to be on equal grounds for the most part of it. Of course it's on a spectrum that goes all over the place and has many extremes so.

OK, that's a fair point. What I was really meaning to get at was how BDSM seems to always be portrayed as a dominant who is in charge and owns the submissive and the submissive does what they're told regardless of how they feel about it because they're the submissive and they exist to please the dominant. As a result it's often a REALLY unhealthy dynamic, whereas what I'm presenting as a 'true' BDSM relationship in this context is a healthy one - a relationship where both partners are equal, where they both get something out of their roles, and where they can roleplay a power dynamic while the dominant still has full respect of the submissive's consent, agency, and wishes.

You're right though, it was a bit intentionally disingenuous of me to phrase it that way. Disrespectful BDSM relationships should never be validated, but I could have made it clearer that that's what I was talking about, apologies for not being clear enough about what I meant.

I also don't think Seymour is a show off, smug asshole for sure, but psychoanalysis tends to be from a logic based perspective off of what you studied and your own life experiences. Shallow? Probably, then again I can understand the type of character that would have that type of life analysis. From the way Lena described him he seems like a calculating wolf in sheeps clothing type of guy, compared to a real life person like let's say Logan Paul or some other e-celeb that is loud and shows off every chance they get.

It's the difference of someone who rules with their wealth and power, and someone who burns it brightly to capture fame and glory even if it won't last.

It's not so much the psychoanalysis itself but the fact that he's constantly bombarding Lena with it. Sure, he's assessing her as the meal goes on - she's doing the exact same to him, that's kinda what the dinner is about. But he's not just engaging with her on a human level and getting a feel for her personality, he's sitting there waxing lyrical about how intelligent and sophisticated he is and how everything she's doing is impacting him and his view of her and it's just so self-indulgent and self-centred. A calculating predator type is one thing, but the way he feels the need to exposit his knowledge of philosophy and his view of everybody's place in the world speaks of insecurity - he's insecure about his importance so he needs to show that he's more important than everybody else, he's insecure about his intelligence so he needs to talk about philosophers, he's found a philosophical totem pole and puts himself at the top rung and then he recharacterises the top rung from 'the baby' to 'the master' because the top itself isn't quite top enough for him.

In the entire dinner scene (to me at least) Lena comes off as being way more secure and powerful and sophisticated than he is solely because she doesn't feel the need to psychoanalyse him directly to his face for the duration of an entire dinner and talk about all the philosophers she knows and how most people don't really understand them anyway and how she's IMPROVED on their philosophy because 'the baby' wasn't quite alpha enough for her. His analysis is one thing, but the way he chooses to present his analysis is pure smug showoff hiding insecurity and absolutely NOT the sort of person I would feel safe being a sub to.

EDIT: Just a quick apology for the novel-length reply, I didn't mean for it to be that long but I got a bit carried away on my stream of consciousness. I completely understand anybody who can't be bothered reading it.

 

[Johnysilver771]

content with minerva or some milfs in future pls)

 

[meatloaf1123]

Louise went bare back with Jeremy though, maybe Lena would do that in the future if her lust point is high enough, we've got soooo many branches in GGGB with just the good/bad point, imagine this one with FOUR stat points, for each protagonist, EvaKiss would look like this in her storyboard room by the time we reach v0.9

 

[SatanLovesYou]

OK, that's a fair point. What I was really meaning to get at was how BDSM seems to always be portrayed as a dominant who is in charge and owns the submissive and the submissive does what they're told regardless of how they feel about it because they're the submissive and they exist to please the dominant. As a result it's often a REALLY unhealthy dynamic, whereas what I'm presenting as a 'true' BDSM relationship in this context is a healthy one - a relationship where both partners are equal, where they both get something out of their roles, and where they can roleplay a power dynamic while the dominant still has full respect of the submissive's consent, agency, and wishes.

You're right though, it was a bit intentionally disingenuous of me to phrase it that way. Disrespectful BDSM relationships should never be validated, but I could have made it clearer that that's what I was talking about, apologies for not being clear enough about what I meant.



It's not so much the psychoanalysis itself but the fact that he's constantly bombarding Lena with it. Sure, he's assessing her as the meal goes on - she's doing the exact same to him, that's kinda what the dinner is about. But he's not just engaging with her on a human level and getting a feel for her personality, he's sitting there waxing lyrical about how intelligent and sophisticated he is and how everything she's doing is impacting him and his view of her and it's just so self-indulgent and self-centred. A calculating predator type is one thing, but the way he feels the need to exposit his knowledge of philosophy and his view of everybody's place in the world speaks of insecurity - he's insecure about his importance so he needs to show that he's more important than everybody else, he's insecure about his intelligence so he needs to talk about philosophers, he's found a philosophical totem pole and puts himself at the top rung and then he recharacterises the top rung from 'the baby' to 'the master' because the top itself isn't quite top enough for him.

In the entire dinner scene (to me at least) Lena comes off as being way more secure and powerful and sophisticated than he is solely because she doesn't feel the need to psychoanalyse him directly to his face for the duration of an entire dinner and talk about all the philosophers she knows and how most people don't really understand them anyway and how she's IMPROVED on their philosophy because 'the baby' wasn't quite alpha enough for her. His analysis is one thing, but the way he chooses to present his analysis is pure smug showoff hiding insecurity and absolutely NOT the sort of person I would feel safe being a sub to.

Very good points, Switches have become more relevant in BDSM culture over the past decade too for a reason. Expecting someone to be a complete dom or complete sub all the time is pretty rare. BDSM boils down to a lot of emotions in play, honestly more emotion then typical casual sex has, maybe just as much as "love" making. Still it is a fetish that has a lot of depth, there are professional doms for a reason. Is it a real relationship or is it akin to hiring a hooker multiple times for a way to get off? No idea tbh. I feel like IF seymour had some sort of dom route it would be the professional type. Like Estate Dominate if you have played that game on this forum. Not a route I would be interested in, but who knows.

Well he wasn't wrong that getting to know someone through their philosophical ideology is the best way to get to know someone quickly. Sure the material and life experience of a person is important in getting to know them as an everyday person but I don't think he cares about people in general like that anymore. I do enjoy the cat in mouse of that diner date tho. In fact I'm with you in thinking that Lena did win if you had her wit high enough. It broke his facade even if it was for a moment when he got generally surprised you knew about "the child." He also alluded to the fact that many lions thought themselves the master.

Maybe he saw the potential in Lena to challenge him. If he truly believed in that philosophy then it wouldn't be hard to imagine that his everyday life is extremely boring to him. When you have everything, can do anything, and can't be touched by anyone, then you've lost the struggle that makes life have such amazing highs and such terrible lows. He kind of alluded to this when she asked him about getting any top model he wanted. Someone with that philosophy and boredom with life would want the very few things wasn't already a given in his monotonous reality.

 

[ANormalMaster]

You're right. It would be far from being "true" BDSM but having it as a sort of porn version kink would be the closest thing in this kind of setting with these kinds of characters I think. I just can't imagine anyone else being comfortable in the Master's role and being respectful/responsible about it at the same time. Sure Seymour is a self-centric asshole but I believe he at least knows what a safe word is and wouldn't force himself, considering how careful he is with his evaluation of Lena and is ready to ditch her if he has doubts that she would fit.

Would be kind of interesting for Ian to discover his inner Dom. No one I know who is actually a decent human and Dom immediately felt comfortable in the role. And as they say, still waters run deep. Which might actually be an interesting storyline anyways, Ian getting into the community and then meeting some of the characters at munches, etc.

 

[Lady Aspen]

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[godoff95]

I think Minerva and Seymour are related. Maybe Seymour is the guy Minerva is trying to impress or maybe they went to school or worked together at some point of time.

 

[Corvo Attano the II]

Okay so my head canon is this as of 0.3 Alpha.

Lena broke up with Axel because he was cheating. I am betting that he cheated with Cherry. My logic being that Cherry says that she is done with relationships for a little while after we bang her. Who seduced who is the question that we need to figure out.

Robert has a way too big of idea of himself.

Perry is a good natured idiot.

Stan is an idiot savant calling it now.

Cindy is just a normal girl whose boyfriend has started to change from someone she loved to someone she either has to learn to love or leave. Axel hitting on her and her getting flustered is nothing to rave about he is literally Apollonian in body and in wallet compared to Ian or her boyfriend.

Jeremy is a player and bad player at that.

Ian is anything the audience wants him to be he just has to achieve that.

Lena is again anything the audience wants her to be she just has to achieve that.

Ivy is a Jessica analogue from GGGB there is nothing to write about if she gonna be written better or worse as off 0.3 Alpha.

Seymour is the evolution of the guy that banged Ashleys mom In GGGB.

Loise is a Eva analogue from GGGB the only difference being her boyfriend is Jeremy.

Holly is a Ashley analogue from GGGB calling it now.

Axel is what Jack was supposed to be in GGGB.

Minerva route is gonna end in 3 way calling it now. We get dominated. We dominate her or We leave the company.

These are my thoughts. Opinions?

 

[scor099]

Lena and Louise are friends from college and now roommates so they're good friends but do think we might have an option to hide what Jeremy said about her at the end of Chapter 3?, Lena was disgusted and angry with what he said about her friend and was worried about her, so maybe hiding it from her won't be an option?

 

[dundun]

I would not expect more kinks in this game than there was in GGGB. Likely there will be less (as there are no characters related to each other). I think EvaKiss did all she was comfortable with there. She specifically said there would only be 'light BSDM' so don't expect anything in the line of chains or whips or dungeons. Ethan btw didn't dominate Ashley in any way. All she did was because she wanted to. Seymour's renaming of the child to the master might point to some sub/dom roleplay, though.

Not a fan of any crossover. ORS feels very different from GGGB so it wouldn't make any sense to me. My interpretation of Ian's masturbation scene in chapter 1 is that he was playing GGGB, and that is about as close as the two games should get.

As for Jeremy, I am sure there will be a choice to tell Louise about his antics. So practically you will choose between Louise hogging your bed for the next week or having more 'breakfast' with Jeremy.

As for Seymour, lets summarize. He has dinner with Axel, their relationship for now is unknown. A few days later he randomly meets Lena at an exhibition she was invited to by Danny who knows him. He just now decided to become a model photographer and is looking for a model. He then invites her to a date and brings her to the place he damn well knows she is working at and feigns ignorance about that.
My guess is that he is trying to fuck with Axel by fucking his ex-girlfriend.

 

[Corvo Attano the II]

Lena and Louise are friends from college and now roommates so they're good friends but do think we might have an option to hide what Jeremy said about her at the end of Chapter 3?, Lena was disgusted and angry with what he said about her friend and was worried about her, so maybe hiding it from her won't be an option?

It probably is gonna have to do with lust. Which is to say how much Lena lusts for that big black dick.

As for Seymour, lets summarize. He has dinner with Axel, their relationship for now is unknown. A few days later he randomly meets Lena at an exhibition she was invited to by Danny who knows him. He just now decided to become a model photographer and is looking for a model. He then invites her to a date and brings her to the place he damn well knows she is working at and feigns ignorance about that.
My guess is that he is trying to fuck with Axel by fucking his ex-girlfriend.

Could be but I don't see Axel being the kind of guy to be emotionally scarred by this.

 

[SpikeZg]

I would say that mr. Ward likes to organise orgy parties with hot young models for his rich older friends

 

[Corvo Attano the II]

I would say that mr. Ward likes to organise orgy parties with hot young models for his rich older friends

I would be surprised if he didn't do that.