VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

EvaKiss wrote Emma will play a smaller role than the other main characters. So she could be more like a minor character and only got included as main because EvaKiss needed another girl. Which I get the feeling is the role she might end up with, the standard 3rd girl you call when you need one for a threesome, like Natasha in GGGB.

Well, that's a shame. But at least if she's not a primary sexual interest for either Ian or Lena, I hope to at least see her become more developed as a character and Ian's friend along with Wade. I don't see Perry as anybody's love interest (Ian or Lena), yet he's a major supporting character with lots of written dialogue. And together with Wade and Emma, they were the OG foursome, "The Fucking Chicken Nuggets".

 

[maxxxzimus]

Well, that's a shame. But at least if she's not a primary sexual interest for either Ian or Lena, I hope to at least see her become more developed as a character and Ian's friend along with Wade. I don't see Perry as anybody's love interest (Ian or Lena), yet he's a major supporting character with lots of written dialogue. And together with Wade and Emma, they were the OG foursome, "The Fucking Chicken Nuggets".

"The Fucking Chicken Nuggets" is probably the way for Emma to have more screen time. I totally can see music being a possible career choice for both Ian and Lena in the future. I would imagine Lena replacing Wade on the guitar and adding a second voice to the band, Ian back to slapping bASS (Davie504 style) and Emma on drums. Also, with her job in the music store they could get more exposure than they had back in the day.

 

[Oscar Granja]

Nice

 

[dond1]

So how often is the game updated? Also if you can date only one girl, its kind of silly since its porn game and you just want to see all the possible scenes. Nothing to do with the fact that its "Wrong"

 

[fearsa]

Also if you can only date only one girl, its kind of silly since its porn game and you just want to see all the possible scenes.

reddit-tier attitude

 

[maxxxzimus]

So how often is the game updated? Also if you can only date only one girl, its kind of silly since its porn game and you just want to see all the possible scenes. Nothing to do with the fact that its "Wrong"

The game is updated approx. every month but the developer said that she might take some time off soon. Next update is expected in around 3 weeks.
If you want to see all possible scenes, you might want to have several saves for different playthroughs, because the story can go in different ways depending on the choices you make. It's not a sandbox game, you cannot get everything at once.

 

[dundun]

Well, that's a shame.

I can of course be completely wrong. Also I doubt the story is written in stone. As the game goes on some characters may become more prominent than intended. Or the other way around, which brings me to Wade.
I mean, what is his deal? He is definitely a main character, but where can he go? Perry will always be the a-annoying sidekick to Ian, and already is alluded to land with Emma or even Cherry. Jeremy already is going all the places. But Wade? Obviously at one point Cindy will break up with him. But I can't see Lena being interested in him and neither Louise, Ivy or Holly. I can't even see him meeting them as he only crawls out of hit dungeon to meet his friends. I also can't see Alison or Emma being interested in him, they are too different characters.
Maybe he stays with Cindy and he becomes the universal cuckold when everyone f*** Cindy?
In short, I'm baffled.

 

[BloodyMares]

Also if you can only date only one girl, its kind of silly since its porn game and you just want to see all the possible scenes. Nothing to do with the fact that its "Wrong"

So far you can't "date" anybody. You can have sex with several people but as was said above, there are multiple routes and you have to decide how you want to play, stick with 1 character or become a "player" and just hook up with multiple people. But you need to be mindful of the relationships with other characters, as sometimes you just can't meet everybody at once and you have to choose which relationships you want to pursue and what you want to sacrifice. Pick the immediate gratification or choose to go for a long game? It's up to you.

I can of course be completely wrong. Also I doubt the story is written in stone. As the game goes on some characters may become more prominent than intended. Or the other way around, which brings me to Wade.
I mean, what is his deal? He is definitely a main character, but where can he go? Perry will always be the a-annoying sidekick to Ian, and already is alluded to land with Emma or even Cherry. Jeremy already is going all the places. But Wade? Obviously at one point Cindy will break up with him. But I can't see Lena being interested in him and neither Louise, Ivy or Holly. I can't even see him meeting them as he only crawls out of hit dungeon to meet his friends. I also can't see Alison or Emma being interested in him, they are too different characters.
Maybe he stays with Cindy and he becomes the universal cuckold when everyone f*** Cindy?
In short, I'm baffled.

I think that most of Wade's problems come from Cindy being bitchy. She could be toxic and he just wants to escape and play videogames, making things even worse. If Cindy breaks up with Wade (or issue an ultimatum), I think there are possibilities where his character might go. According to his bio, he was quite outgoing before meeting Cindy so after losing her he could resume his game or become completely depressed and lose himself in his addiction. He might become a cuckold, sharing Cindy with Ian/Jeremy/Axel. I hope there would also be an option to help Wade and save his and Cindy's relationship, maybe with a foursome with Lena and Ian. He has potential. We'll see how it goes for him.

 

[patachoucs]

So far you can't "date" anybody. You can have sex with several people but as was said above, there are multiple routes and you have to decide how you want to play, stick with 1 character or become a "player" and just hook up with multiple people. But you need to be mindful of the relationships with other characters, as sometimes you just can't meet everybody at once and you have to choose which relationships you want to pursue and what you want to sacrifice. Pick the immediate gratification or choose to go for a long game? It's up to you.


I think that most of Wade's problems come from Cindy being bitchy. She could be toxic and he just wants to escape and play videogames, making things even worse. If Cindy breaks up with Wade (or issue an ultimatum), I think there are possibilities where his character might go. According to his bio, he was quite outgoing before meeting Cindy so after losing her he could resume his game or become completely depressed and lose himself in his addiction. He might become a cuckold, sharing Cindy with Ian/Jeremy/Axel. I hope there would also be an option to help Wade and save his and Cindy's relationship, maybe with a foursome with Lena and Ian. He has potential. We'll see how it goes for him.

I don't know about her being toxic. I guess for now we don't know enough... But I've been a Wade before in my life. And I've lost my Cindy at the time... And it was entirely my fault. There's that thing you do as a young guy in a first real relationship with some successful-ish job. Where you get lazy. You stop going out as much. You stop taking care of yourself, of your gf, because you think you got everything figured in a way.
Thing is, being in a relationship is not an endgame. Rather the start of. But as a young person you can often forget about that. Relations needs working, from both sides, and Wade right now is not putting that work.
So I for one cannot really blame Cindy. If it were in real life and I saw a friend do that I would shake the fuck up out of him so he understands he's screwing up. But it's a game, so I'mma cuck him instead ^^

 

[Deleted member 69963]

It's funny that I only brought up this "realism" thing once to explain why it might be tough for guys like Ian to get laid and you guys started to fight it with all this Jeremy BBC nonsense. It's even funnier that it's the only thing you fight this "realism" point with, which is totally not related to what I said.
I never said that this game is realistic, I only touched one small aspect of it. There is not a single story driven game in the world that is 100% realistic, it's not possible to avoid clichés and stereotypes. Yes, Jeremy is a cliché character, so is Stan and you can probably add Holly and Cindy to the list but... Don't forget that we are only on Chapter 3 and there is plenty of time for Eva to add some depth to the characters, even to Jeremy. And also don't forget that all stereotypes come from something. There are guys like Jeremy or shallow but hot blondes like Cindy IRL too. Yes, these stereotypes are rather overused but as I said it's hard to avoid those especially if your game has more than a dozen characters.
Also, it's strange to me to see that some of those who brought up this BBC thing are the same people who are saying that Ian is a boring character. Would you rather prefer to play as Jeremy? I think Ian is a well written character with an immense growth potential. I think this point system exists just to steer his development in a way that player prefers. You guys are missing out by skipping his parts.

Since I believe I was the first one complaining about Jeremy (not only the stereotype thing but mainly his douchebag personality) I'll reply to you.
1. I don't even remember your name or the names of anyone who brought up that "realism" thing, I didn't target anyone in particular so there's no need to feel attacked.
2. Why did I mention Jeremy and not the typical pretty spoiled girl, the incel locked in his room and glued to his PC, the nerdy shy girl, etc ...
Just for one thing :

As you can see, it's not really about the bbc part, it didn't bother me in GGGB. It's the way Eva Kiss tried to make us believe he's there for something else than the bbc fantasy, how that "racial diversity" sounded more like virtue signaling or pandering to diversity than anything else because let's be honest, the cast isn't very diverse and that's why if that was the case, he wouldn't feel like being the token black guy bbc.
Also the way he's not supposed to be a "walking stereotype" like Tyrone but he's in fact a walking stereotype ... come on, if you can't see it, you're denying it ... but whatever. If Eva didn't mention that paragraph, I wouldn't have complained at all.
3. Yeah, some people mentioned how much of a boring loser Ian is and you've got to admit that he's got a fair amount of that loser vibe BUT I think it is understandable and quite natural. Someone wrote a while ago a very good analysis on why Ian feels that way. Also, even Lena senses it, not in a mean way though.
You also cannot deny that cuck vibe Ian has when he loses his erection before having sex with Allison and although you are right to say that Ian is a loser if you make him a loser, if Ian loses his erection on that specific scene, he's the one and only one bringing up how Jeremy would have pleased his girl better than him ..... WTF ? And we're supposed to be the one to choose to make him having cuck thoughts ? Well sorry to burst your bubble but I never had the choice to think that way unlike in GGGB where you had the choice to turn Eric into cuck.
I'm not into that stuff at all but I don't mind it being in the game for those who enjoy it, I just absolutely don't want it to be forced on us. And that's why I had an big fucking issue with that scene in particular ... losing an erection, well it sucks, happened to me before, I was ashamed of it but I never thought someone else would have been better for my girl.
I'd really like it if Eva tweaked the scene a little bit to give us the choice to be either defeatist(cuck) or something else after losing the erection and maybe that could be the introduction to that fetish (if it makes it into the game) while giving us the choice to go for it or refuse it.
And lastly, for my defense (don't care about others' opinion on him) I actually like Ian a lot, to me he's one of the most (if not the most) believable character in the game. It's probably because I can relate to him quite a lot on his (established) personality traits (not the cuck vibe though )

 

[dond1]

For some reason I really like the gym music, where its from?

 

[Ceesko]

Since I believe I was the first one complaining about Jeremy (not only the stereotype thing but mainly his douchebag personality) I'll reply to you.
1. I don't even remember your name or the names of anyone who brought up that "realism" thing, I didn't target anyone in particular so there's no need to feel attacked.
2. Why did I mention Jeremy and not the typical pretty spoiled girl, the incel locked in his room and glued to his PC, the nerdy shy girl, etc ...
Just for one thing :
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As you can see, it's not really about the bbc part, it didn't bother me in GGGB. It's the way Eva Kiss tried to make us believe he's there for something else than the bbc fantasy, how that "racial diversity" sounded more like virtue signaling or pandering to diversity than anything else because let's be honest, the cast isn't very diverse and that's why if that was the case, he wouldn't feel like being the token black guy bbc.
Also the way he's not supposed to be a "walking stereotype" like Tyrone but he's in fact a walking stereotype ... come on, if you can't see it, you're denying it ... but whatever. If Eva didn't mention that paragraph, I wouldn't have complained at all.
3. Yeah, some people mentioned how much of a boring loser Ian is and you've got to admit that he's got a fair amount of that loser vibe BUT I think it is understandable and quite natural. Someone wrote a while ago a very good analysis on why Ian feels that way. Also, even Lena senses it, not in a mean way though.
You also cannot deny that cuck vibe Ian has when he loses his erection before having sex with Allison and although you are right to say that Ian is a loser if you make him a loser, if Ian loses his erection on that specific scene, he's the one and only one bringing up how Jeremy would have pleased his girl better than him ..... WTF ? And we're supposed to be the one to choose to make him having cuck thoughts ? Well sorry to burst your bubble but I never had the choice to think that way unlike in GGGB where you had the choice to turn Eric into cuck.
I'm not into that stuff at all but I don't mind it being in the game for those who enjoy it, I just absolutely don't want it to be forced on us. And that's why I had an big fucking issue with that scene in particular ... losing an erection, well it sucks, happened to me before, I was ashamed of it but I never thought someone else would have been better for my girl.
I'd really like it if Eva tweaked the scene a little bit to give us the choice to be either defeatist(cuck) or something else after losing the erection and maybe that could be the introduction to that fetish (if it makes it into the game) while giving us the choice to go for it or refuse it.
And lastly, for my defense (don't care about others' opinion on him) I actually like Ian a lot, to me he's one of the most (if not the most) believable character in the game. It's probably because I can relate to him quite a lot on his (established) personality traits (not the cuck vibe though )

Ian lost his erection because he is a closet homosexual, and he has been longing for jeremys dick up his ass.

 

[fearsa]

if you don't want ian to act like a cuck you shouldn't have made him into a cuck through all the lame beta choices you made him make previously

 

[BloodyMares]

I'm not into that stuff at all but I don't mind it being in the game for those who enjoy it, I just absolutely don't want it to be forced on us. And that's why I had an big fucking issue with that scene in particular ... losing an erection, well it sucks, happened to me before, I was ashamed of it but I never thought someone else would have been better for my girl.
I'd really like it if Eva tweaked the scene a little bit to give us the choice to be either defeatist(cuck) or something else after losing the erection and maybe that could be the introduction to that fetish (if it makes it into the game) while giving us the choice to go for it or refuse it.

You are being unfair. Anyone's confidence is based on what they achieved and how others perceive them. You are using a strawman argument using the one line in his most embarrassing situation (that you caused btw for not working on Ian's self-confidence by building his stats). That shameful thought came to Ian out of momentary self-pity and sense that he failed his best friend by not being able to show her a good time, especially after cockblocking Jeremy. It doesn't say that Ian is a cuck by default, it just means that nobody is immune from feeling inadequate and having shameful thoughts after a major fuck-up.

And how about we don't dictate Eva how to write her game just to avoid hurting our (fragile?) masculinity. Ian is Ian, he can't control what thoughts inhabit his mind occasionally, and it's okay to have them. If you could read anybody's mind, I guarantee you'd be surprised by all kinds of thoughts that people have. It's how we act based on them what matters.

 

[maxxxzimus]

Since I believe I was the first one complaining about Jeremy (not only the stereotype thing but mainly his douchebag personality) I'll reply to you.
1. I don't even remember your name or the names of anyone who brought up that "realism" thing, I didn't target anyone in particular so there's no need to feel attacked.
2. Why did I mention Jeremy and not the typical pretty spoiled girl, the incel locked in his room and glued to his PC, the nerdy shy girl, etc ...
Just for one thing :
View attachment 685673
As you can see, it's not really about the bbc part, it didn't bother me in GGGB. It's the way Eva Kiss tried to make us believe he's there for something else than the bbc fantasy, how that "racial diversity" sounded more like virtue signaling or pandering to diversity than anything else because let's be honest, the cast isn't very diverse and that's why if that was the case, he wouldn't feel like being the token black guy bbc.
Also the way he's not supposed to be a "walking stereotype" like Tyrone but he's in fact a walking stereotype ... come on, if you can't see it, you're denying it ... but whatever. If Eva didn't mention that paragraph, I wouldn't have complained at all.
3. Yeah, some people mentioned how much of a boring loser Ian is and you've got to admit that he's got a fair amount of that loser vibe BUT I think it is understandable and quite natural. Someone wrote a while ago a very good analysis on why Ian feels that way. Also, even Lena senses it, not in a mean way though.
You also cannot deny that cuck vibe Ian has when he loses his erection before having sex with Allison and although you are right to say that Ian is a loser if you make him a loser, if Ian loses his erection on that specific scene, he's the one and only one bringing up how Jeremy would have pleased his girl better than him ..... WTF ? And we're supposed to be the one to choose to make him having cuck thoughts ? Well sorry to burst your bubble but I never had the choice to think that way unlike in GGGB where you had the choice to turn Eric into cuck.
I'm not into that stuff at all but I don't mind it being in the game for those who enjoy it, I just absolutely don't want it to be forced on us. And that's why I had an big fucking issue with that scene in particular ... losing an erection, well it sucks, happened to me before, I was ashamed of it but I never thought someone else would have been better for my girl.
I'd really like it if Eva tweaked the scene a little bit to give us the choice to be either defeatist(cuck) or something else after losing the erection and maybe that could be the introduction to that fetish (if it makes it into the game) while giving us the choice to go for it or refuse it.
And lastly, for my defense (don't care about others' opinion on him) I actually like Ian a lot, to me he's one of the most (if not the most) believable character in the game. It's probably because I can relate to him quite a lot on his (established) personality traits (not the cuck vibe though )

No, I don't think you were the first one. I said that IRL it's harder for a guy like Ian to get laid, and there was a guy who replied to my comment something like "Yeah, like IRL, this game has a cliche BBC a**hole fucking girls left and right". I don't think it was you and I certainly don't feel attacked. I never intended to join this conversation until there was too many comments about Jeremy, too many complaints about Ian and the game in general. So I just decided to clarify what I said.

I did not play GGGB and have no idea who Kevin and Tyrone are, so I can't comment on them. The cast isn't really diverse, sure, but first, we don't know the setting (where in the world the game takes place) and second ORS cast isn't big enough to make it more diverse. You need to make room for other types of characters too. I totally agree that Jeremy is a stereotype but I think he has a room to grow into something more. Give Eva some time.

Still don't agree with people about Ian's "loser" or "cuck" vibe. He's just a normal guy, your "Average Joe" as they say. But he's definitely not a loser. He just has a lot on his plate. The breakup with Gillian, the situation at work, constant pressure of wanting to be more successful... any person would hate himself in his shoes. But he wants and WILL turn it around. Lena and Holly will help.
As for the situation with Alison, I don't consider the "epic fail" result canon. I never experienced that during my gameplay. It's not hard to raise at least one of the stats to level 2 at this point, this will help Ian to avoid a total embarrassment. You cannot say that this scene forced on the player, and you cannot call Ian a cuck if you can't make the right choices.

 

[Deleted member 69963]

You are being unfair. Anyone's confidence is based on what they achieved and how others perceive them. You are using a strawman argument using the one line in his most embarrassing situation (that you caused btw for not working on Ian's self-confidence by building his stats). That shameful thought came to Ian out of momentary self-pity and sense that he failed his best friend by not being able to show her a good time, especially after cockblocking Jeremy. It doesn't say that Ian is a cuck by default, it just means that nobody is immune from feeling inadequate and having shameful thoughts after a major fuck-up.

And how about we don't dictate Eva how to write her game just to avoid hurting our (fragile?) masculinity. Ian is Ian, he can't control what thoughts inhabit his mind occasionally, and it's okay to have them. If you could read anybody's mind, I guarantee you'd be surprised by all kinds of thoughts that people have. It's how we act based on them what matters.

Didn't you read what I wrote before that quote ? I said that Ian lack of confidence is understandable, I completely understand his situation, his feelings, his experience with a broken heart and a breakup, I've been in his situation before so I know what I'm talking about. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it was you who wrote that good analysis about him.
Concerning that one line ... no I don't think him having that kind of thought automatically makes him a cuck, I'm saying that it's not very surprising that he gives that kind of vibe after thinking that kind of things.
Maybe it's normal for you, maybe it is for Eva and maybe it is for many of you to have those thoughts, but to me it isn't, maybe I have too much dignity to be that low in my self esteem, in this case, I never expected Ian to be that way.
And about Eva's writing ... I never dictated anything, I just criticized one thing. I love most of what she's doing but that doesn't mean I cannot criticize the one thing I don't like. Big difference.

Now, maybe I failed to make myself clear about Ian, I think some of you misunderstood me but I'll make my opinion clear about him once and for all.
I like him a lot. I don't think he's a loser and I don't think he's a cuck either.
The thing is that I understand people's opinion, that doesn't mean I share it and/or agree with them.

No, I don't think you were the first one. I said that IRL it's harder for a guy like Ian to get laid, and there was a guy who replied to my comment something like "Yeah, like IRL, this game has a cliche BBC a**hole fucking girls left and right". I don't think it was you and I certainly don't feel attacked. I never intended to join this conversation until there was too many comments about Jeremy, too many complaints about Ian and the game in general. So I just decided to clarify what I said.

I did not play GGGB so I really have no idea who Kevin and Tyrone are, so I can't comment on them. The cast isn't really diverse, sure, but first, we don't know the setting (where in the world the game takes place) and second ORS cast isn't big enough to make it more diverse. You need to make room for other types of characters too. I totally agree that Jeremy is a stereotype but I think he has a room to grow into something more. Give Eva some time.

Still don't agree with people about Ian's "loser" or "cuck" vibe. He's just a normal guy, your "Average Joe" as they say. But he's definitely not a loser. He just has a lot on his plate. The breakup with Gillian, the situation at work, constant pressure of wanting to be more successful... any person would hate himself in his shoes. But he wants and WILL turn it around. Lena and Holly will help.
As for the situation with Alison, I don't consider the "epic fail" result canon. I never experienced that during my gameplay. It's not hard to raise at least one of the stats to level 2 at this point, this will help Ian to avoid a total embarrassment. You cannot say that this scene forced on the player, and you cannot call Ian a cuck if you can't make the right choices.

On the topic of the cast of the game, why pander to the diversity if you're not willing to commit to it then ? Mmh ?
You can read my reply to BloodyMares' post, I think a part of it also respond to the second part of your post about that loser cuck thing.
And to make myself clear, that "epic fail" isn't my canon of the story, I just explored the game, I experimented many options, choices and path and discovered that without wanting to go the "loser route" Ian has some fucked up things in his head... but like I said, I didn't expect him to have his confidence below zero.
My canon will be Ian x Holly x Lena if possible. If not possible, I'll do one with Lena and one with Holly but I'm pretty sure Holly will be my favourite, I guess that's because she's the kind of girl I really like irl.

 

[Jamina]

I just finished two new playthroughs, and here are my thoughts:

I am still enjoying the game quite a lot. The writing is clever and interesting, the characters are very believable and not over the top.

In my first playthrough i followed the more or less obvious choices to bring Ian and Lena closer together.
In my second I made everything possible to separate those two - and that version felt somehow better. I guess that's what some others also described as if you were dating yourself. So my Lena went for Robert, even though that totally went against my gutfeeling. Even as a fuckbuddy he just doesn't feel right and leaves me with a "uuh, what was I thinking?"-feeling
But when avoiding Ian and Robert, there wasn't that much to do for Lena in Chapter three. Spending time with Holly is fun though.

What I don't get is Eva's obsession with cropped shirts. Almost every girl is wearing them. I'd wish for some more variety here. Also when Lena went out for dinner, her outfit was sexy but with another cropped top totally inappropriate for a fancy restaurant.

 

[John Nguyen]

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[satoshi36]

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[maxxxzimus]

Concerning that one line ... no I don't think him having that kind of thought automatically makes him a cuck, I'm saying that it's not very surprising that he gives that kind of vibe after thinking that kind of things.

And to make myself clear, that "epic fail" isn't my canon of the story, I just explored the game, I experimented many options, choices and path and discovered that without wanting to go the "loser route" Ian has some fucked up things in his head... but like I said, I didn't expect him to have his confidence below zero.

So you are saying that Ian gives you a cuck vibe ONLY because of this ONE THOUGHT he had that you found by "experimenting with options and choices". Now that I think about it, there's not a chance in hell that Alison comes with you if you don't have charisma or lust at level 2. This means that a good ending with Alison is literally unmissable and the situation that you are talking about can happen ONLY if you deliberately choose a bad option.
Now the things that you are all saying about Ian make even less sense than before.