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Refusing to even call Axel gives +1 to Lena's wits and she will automatically refuse to work with him in anything.

Calling Axel but then refusing to meet him gives Lena +1 wits and +1 willpower IF she has <2 willpower points and she will automatically refuse to work with him in anything.

Meeting him in the café but not being too friendly gives Lena the option to refuse to work with him in the chapter 6 shoot, being too friendly will make her automatically agree to work with him in the chapter 6 shoot.

So yeah you can gain an extra wits points and potentially an extra willpower if you've been spending most of it early on, but otherwise, aside from some dialogue changes, it should play out more or less the same in the long run as if you just refuse to have Lena work with Axel.
I wish I knew that sooner I always rejected him in the dreams
 

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Somewhat doubtful because Louise can also be perfectly happy being a slave for her Mistress.

I'd imagine it more likely the episode will be extended with Lena dealing in some way with Axel's interference at the end of birthday party, something she didn't feel capable of on the spot.
Axel and Cherry are the only characters that didn't get a scene in V10 so at least Axel seem likely. He is a main character after all.

As we are talking about Axel, in chapter 10 he dropped a major bomb on Lena, telling her he was 'seeing someone'. Now who would that be?
The obvious choice is Cherry. She clearly is still into him and we meet them together. But Axel denies this and why would he bother at this point? Also as it is expected it is also uninteresting story wise.
Now if we want interesting, lets go with Ivy. This would be a big surprise (especially for Lena) but it wouldn't come out of nowhere, she posted a picture of her at his flat after all. Interesting also because she has been pushing Lena towards Axel for the whole game and then conveniently didn't show up at the photo shoot. Now Ivy isn't the relationship kind of gal, but 'seeing someone' could also mean something more casual.
The third option would be Cindy but as she can also be with Ian that would mean our sweet little angel is cheating on Wade and Ian with Axel. While interesting that seems to be way out of character for her.
 

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Axel and Cherry are the only characters that didn't get a scene in V10 so at least Axel seem likely. He is a main character after all.

As we are talking about Axel, in chapter 10 he dropped a major bomb on Lena, telling her he was 'seeing someone'. Now who would that be?
The obvious choice is Cherry. She clearly is still into him and we meet them together. But Axel denies this and why would he bother at this point? Also as it is expected it is also uninteresting story wise.
Now if we want interesting, lets go with Ivy. This would be a big surprise (especially for Lena) but it wouldn't come out of nowhere, she posted a picture of her at his flat after all. Interesting also because she has been pushing Lena towards Axel for the whole game and then conveniently didn't show up at the photo shoot. Now Ivy isn't the relationship kind of gal, but 'seeing someone' could also mean something more casual.
The third option would be Cindy but as she can also be with Ian that would mean our sweet little angel is cheating on Wade and Ian with Axel. While interesting that seems to be way out of character for her.

Axel is seeing Ian's ex Gillian.
 

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Axel and Cherry are the only characters that didn't get a scene in V10 so at least Axel seem likely. He is a main character after all.

As we are talking about Axel, in chapter 10 he dropped a major bomb on Lena, telling her he was 'seeing someone'. Now who would that be?
The obvious choice is Cherry. She clearly is still into him and we meet them together. But Axel denies this and why would he bother at this point? Also as it is expected it is also uninteresting story wise.
Now if we want interesting, lets go with Ivy. This would be a big surprise (especially for Lena) but it wouldn't come out of nowhere, she posted a picture of her at his flat after all. Interesting also because she has been pushing Lena towards Axel for the whole game and then conveniently didn't show up at the photo shoot. Now Ivy isn't the relationship kind of gal, but 'seeing someone' could also mean something more casual.
The third option would be Cindy but as she can also be with Ian that would mean our sweet little angel is cheating on Wade and Ian with Axel. While interesting that seems to be way out of character for her.
Did Axel actually deny dating Cherry? It wasn't very clear when Lena confronted him in front of the club.
Axel is seeing Ian's ex Gillian.
While this would be interesting, I would personally prefer if Gillian is actually Mike's girlfriend all this time.

Giving her a sweet taste of karma if Lena fucks Mike would be satisfying.
 
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Did Axel actually deny dating Cherry? It wasn't very clear when Lena confronted him in front of the club.

While this would be interesting, I personally prefer if Gillian is actually Mike's girlfriend all this time.

Giving her a sweet taste of karma if Lena fucks Mike would be satisfying.
I think that is what is most likely, I can see it a mile away how mike describes his GF.

However I don't see how jeremy could not know the bro he is working with is seeing Ian's ex, I got the feeling they are casual friends (jeremy and mike).
 

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I think that is what is most likely, I can see it a mile away how mike describes his GF.

However I don't see how jeremy could not know the bro he is working with is seeing Ian's ex, I got the feeling they are casual friends (jeremy and mike).
Well, it's possible that Jeremy knows Mike has a girlfriend but doesn't know who exactly she is. I don't see Mike as someone who flaunts his girl around, unlike Jeremy.
 

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Did Axel actually deny dating Cherry? It wasn't very clear when Lena confronted him in front of the club.
Not clearly, no. But why not tell her at this point.
His reply depends on your disposition towards him. With highest disposition (where he told Lena he is seeing someone):
x "What's the reason you're getting so aggressive all of a sudden? I thought we both turned that page already."
x "I don't understand what's the problem. I'm free to hang out with whoever I want, same as you... Right?"


With lowest disposition he replies:
x "We were just hanging out, already on our way home. I wasn't expecting to cross paths with you tonight, Lena..."
x "I know what you're thinking, but it's not like that..."
 

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Not clearly, no. But why not tell her at this point.
His reply depends on your disposition towards him. With highest disposition (where he told Lena he is seeing someone):
x "What's the reason you're getting so aggressive all of a sudden? I thought we both turned that page already."
x "I don't understand what's the problem. I'm free to hang out with whoever I want, same as you... Right?"


With lowest disposition he replies:
x "We were just hanging out, already on our way home. I wasn't expecting to cross paths with you tonight, Lena..."
x "I know what you're thinking, but it's not like that..."
Those don't sound like him denying seeing Cherry again, honestly.
 

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Those don't sound like him denying seeing Cherry again, honestly.
Hmm, "I know what you're thinking, but it's not like that..." sounds pretty much like a denial to me. But yeah, he only says this if Lena didn't have sex with him. I still think Ivy would be much more interesting, though.

Because Axel is manipulating Lena, and it has much more impact to see Axel with Cherry, and leave Lena guessing.
But to what end is he manipulating her? If he wants to make her jealous so she comes back to him, Cherry is a horrible choice. She will only remind her of his betrayal. Cindy would be a much better choice. Also how did that work? Was he out there for hours with Cherry in tow waiting for Lena to step out? No, I think that was a genuine accidental meeting.
 

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But to what end is he manipulating her? If he wants to make her jealous so she comes back to him, Cherry is a horrible choice. She will only remind her of his betrayal. Cindy would be a much better choice.
I think Cherry works precisely because this relationship pushes all Lena's buttons and dredges up all strong feelings. It does excellent work making Lena unable to control herself, as we've already witnessed. Cindy in contrast is someone Lena barely knows and cares even less about, it's just "some Ian's friend who was kinda pushy and wants to be a model? idk".

It's worth to keep on mind that Axel and Cherry getting together is a very recent development. When Cherry talks about her situation with Ian earlier, she makes it pretty clear that while she was hoping Axel would become her boyfriend after he and Lena broke up, it never actually happened. If you follow the storyline which has Lena still harbor feelings for Axel, he gets in relationship with Cherry (or starts seeing her, as he put it) after he fucks Lena. Am pretty sure this is deliberate move on his part, Axel isn't a complete idiot and realizes pretty well how Lena would feel about it.

Also how did that work? Was he out there for hours with Cherry in tow waiting for Lena to step out? No, I think that was a genuine accidental meeting.
I don't think Axel was there waiting for Lena specifically. He's just going to the club with Cherry. He knows Ivy works there and would no doubt mention to Lena seeing him and Cherry together.
 
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I think Cherry works precisely because this relationship pushes all Lena's buttons and dredges up all strong feelings. It does excellent work making Lena unable to control herself, as we've already witnessed. Cindy in contrast is someone Lena barely knows and cares even less about, it's just "some Ian's friend who was kinda pushy and wants to be a model? idk".

It's worth to keep on mind that Axel and Cherry getting together is a very recent development. When Cherry talks about her situation with Ian earlier, she makes it pretty clear that while she was hoping Axel would become her boyfriend after he and Lena broke up, it never actually happened. If you follow the storyline which has Lena still harbor feelings for Axel, he gets in relationship with Cherry after he fucks Lena. Am pretty sure this is deliberate move on his part, Axel isn't a complete idiot and realizes pretty well how Lena would feel about it.
Allegedly got in a relationship with Cherry.

I don't think Axel was there waiting for Lena specifically. He's just going to the club with Cherry. He knows Ivy works there and would no doubt mention to Lena seeing him and Cherry together.
You mean like she told Lena about Ian effing Cindy in that alley more than a month ago? :cool:
 

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Allegedly got in a relationship with Cherry.
Axel tells Lena explicitly he's now seeing someone, during the phone call that has him claim he's "got closure and moved on". If the statement comes straight from the horse's mouth i think it can be given some credit. At worst (best?) Axel is lying about being in relationship with Cherry. From Lena's viewpoint it's not much of a difference as long as she doesn't know it's a lie.

You mean like she told Lena about Ian effing Cindy in that alley more than a month ago? :cool:
Let's not forget all Ivy saw was Ian and Cindy in an alley, flustered after probably doing something. Ivy apparently doesn't necessarily stir shit up just for the sake of it. But she's far more familiar with both Axel and Cherry, and with how Lena is potentially agonizing over her situation with Axel. So she might be more inclined to mention to Lena something concerning her ex-bf she actually saw clearly.

Axel can't guarantee Ivy will tell Lena about seeing him and Cherry together, but he isn't exactly risking anything by giving it a try.
 
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Nothing is forced in this game. Everything depends on the decisions of the player. You can have any LI you want for yourself. But not all at once. And you can't expect those you decide against to live like nuns either. Like in real life.
Cherry unavoidably getting back to Axel even after potentially opening love route with Ian is kind of bordering on stuff that might irk some people.
 
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