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JohnnyKiss

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Holly is a more believable self-insert than Eva though, she's a female writer. Some of her lines are quite meta, feels like EvaKiss is talking to us via this character sometimes.
I've noticed some "meta commentary" from Lena when she reads the Stalkfap comments, specifically about the "cuckold fetish" requests she gets when she calls it "weird". It's more of self-aware comment considering how "cuckold-heavy" both of the games are
 

Xupuzulla

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Holly is not a slut - for now - however a more interesting topic about Holly is that one forum member on this thread made the hypothesis that Holly was Eva Kiss' projection of herself within the universe she has created. An interesting idea, however since Eva Kiss has declined to disclose his/her gender and has revealed being a Catalunian Spanish from Barcelona, I am not too sure Eva Kiss is a woman any more. Eva Kiss writes like an American woman, but like a Spanish man. Then she would not be Holly but Ian maybe.
Holly is a big mary sue so im not surprised shes Evakiss favourite or self insert.
The perfect writer girl whos cute but humble,who has fans who love her,the awkward girl that somehow becomes a friend with the two MCs because fuck logic.
 

BlackIsBetter

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I'm not saying it will; the update should be around the corner. I'm just replying to the other person saying it would take another 2 or 3 months, which would be insane wait time. Honestly, the next "weekly update" should be announcing the release of the game... I hope...

Don't want to see this game abandoned.
This game getting abandoned would be a tragedy like Demon Boy
 

Samuel Hidayat

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Holly is a big mary sue so im not surprised shes Evakiss favourite or self insert.
The perfect writer girl whos cute but humble,who has fans who love her,the awkward girl that somehow becomes a friend with the two MCs because fuck logic.
Calling Holly a Mary Sue is a major disservice to how terrible Mary Sues/Gary Stus are. Holly got cucked, couldn't pole dance perfectly on first try, doesn't have Ivy worshipping her feet, doesn't make Ian and/or Lena fall in love with her on first sight, doesn't create a perfect second book immediately after the first, etc.

Not exactly a good Mary Sue material, is she?
 

Virux

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Hi guys. Anyone can share a link to join Eva Kiss discord chat? I can't use the link in the main page. Thanks
 

Gicoo

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the awkward girl that somehow becomes a friend with the two MCs because fuck logic.
How is it illogical? Hollys awkwardness makes it less likely that she gets partners, true, but both Ian and Lena can muster up a solid reasons why they bother to hang out with her.

Ian writes a book and Holly is his co-worker that musters up the courage to ask him if she could help revising it. If Ian is interested, he can ask for more personal meetings, all of it lining up for the book fair, an event that combines Ians professional interest (meeting Victor) with his personal (banging Holly). His potential interest with Holly is linked with his aspiration as a writer and journalists to make a name himself in the literature world. He also finds common ground on their shared perspective of why they write.

Lena is already a fan of her works and like Ian, she has an intellectual side (music and song writing) which is why she could be attracted to Holly. Her meeting Holly is as contrived as her meeting Ian. It's apparant that Holly as the sole character that is accessible for both main characters is designed to be slightly more intertwined and linked to them, hence she has more focus than say Alison or Louise, characters that mostly (bar some potential threesomes) exist for only Ian and Lena respectively.
 

Xupuzulla

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Calling Holly a Mary Sue is a major disservice to how terrible Mary Sues/Gary Stus are. Holly got cucked, couldn't pole dance perfectly on first try, doesn't have Ivy worshipping her feet, doesn't make Ian and/or Lena fall in love with her on first sight, doesn't create a perfect second book immediately after the first, etc.

Not exactly a good Mary Sue material, is she?
She literally overcomes most of your points and we are only 10 chapters in,lmao
By the end of the history shes going to write a pulitzer book at the pace we are going.
 
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Blurpee69

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Overcoming shortcomings is character development, something Mary Sue explicitly lacks because she's perfect from get-go.
Furthermore, Holly still has several more shortcomings to overcome. Her confidence is building in herself, but she still isn't near Lena or Ivy whom she is trying to emulate as an example. She will still wilt under sufficient scrutiny, rather than stand up for herself.
 
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