VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[| Vee |]

You can call it what you want, but Ian exploits the situation to his advantage...

I am just calling it as it is. "None of them is better than the other", that's what I'm calling it! What is it that you do not understand in it? I would be happy to help you understand it!
But you are clearly portraying Jeremy as less evil than Ian so, Here I go:

...We know in hindsight that Wade and Cindy are going to split up. But Ian doesn't know that. He suspects things are not going well between them, but he can't know that they wouldn't eventually work it out. But he can and does make sure that they dont...

You really think that the problems between WadexCindy are new? No! The game starts with them. They spent at the very least a few months with those problems. And WadexCindy know too that if things don't workout soon they will breakup as Ian do. You can see Cindy's started taking action to get things straight or end(Arranging birthday, get-togethers encouraging Wade to do/try other things). On the other hand Wade didn't do shit in response to Cindy's efforts. Dude is not even earning money IIRC. Birthday party was last straw that Wade broke.

...There's no way you can deny, that Ian doesn't betray his best friend, because he does....

And Where did I deny it? Both betrayed, Ian did dirty to Wade and Jeremy to Ian. None of them is better than the other.

...The main difference between Ian and Jeremy, is that Ian ultimately wants to split Wade and Cindy up, so he can have Cindy all to himself. Jeremy on the other hand, just wants a bit of fun. He's not trying to separate Ian and Lena, even if he believes their relationship is doomed...

Oh so Jeremy was helping IanxLena when he was just having "fun", my bad. You don't simply fall in pussy cut the crap! I can say same that Ian was also having a bit of fun, he was not trying to separate WadexCindy, even if Ian believes their relationship is doomed. No matter how you try to JUSTIFY Jeremy, but the truth is Jeremy did at the very least same damage to IanxLena as Ian did to WadexCindy.

But I dare and say that Jeremy did more damage compared to what Ian did to WadexCindy as IanxLena were not on the verge of breaking up but just gotten together in a relationship. Now how will you justify this?

...The original posts that I was responding to, DID suggest that Jeremy's betrayal with Lena, was much worse than Ian's with Cindy. I was simply pointing out why I believed that was untrue. Personally, I don't believe Jeremy intentionally sets out to betray Ian. He's pretty much led there by Lena, until his weakness for pussy, undermines his better nature. Surely, you can see that Lena instigates everything. And without that, Jeremy would never have succumbed. Is Jeremy weak? Yes he is. But does he intentionally set out to betray his best friend? No he categorically doesn't. You can't say the same for Ian, with Cindy. He knows exactly what he's doing. Like Lena he's the instigator. He pursues Cindy, when she's at her weakest, after her row with Wade at the club. He knows this is his chance. And he ruthlessly takes it.

Still doesn't disprove the fact. I can say same about Ian he was weak in that moment too(birthday party)and now he can't make himself quit same as Jeremy couldn't tell Ian bcz he is WEAK!

Cindy was weak in her emotions, she was craving support, care both emotionally and physically And where was Jeremy weak, in his dick? I said it before and will say it again "You don't simply fall in pussy". And tell me again why did Jeremy didn't tell Ian, I am sure there was plenty of time for him to say to Ian "Bro you girl is throwing fishing nets on me!", he didn't tell shit to Ian. Even Ian was feeling guilty after mingling with Cindy. Being Guilty doesn't change the fact that he is a cheater same as Jeremy.

Being Guilty doesn't do shit if you already committed the action as now your action cannot be reversed.

"None of them is better than the other"
Hope that helps you to understand!

Peace!

 

[| Vee |]

The problem is that guys are putting all the blame on Jeremy when the one BBC hungry is Lena.

Then by your logic Cindy is also not to be blamed?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I was shocked to see Jeremy's decision to stop Lena from removing his boxers because he thought about Ian and Lena's relationship. It takes a lot of self-restraint during that situation to think clearly. He upheld the bro code gracefully. Yeah, Lena has to push things to lead him on. If they do go further he feels so bad at the nightclub and outside the gym when he is talking to Ian. Even though he is a horndog he does have a moral compass sometimes.

I don't really like Jeremy betraying Ian, because ultimately they're best friends. On the surface, you'd think they were chalk and cheese. But the reality is, that they're real bros, and Ian can talk about stuff with Jeremy, that he just can't with say Perry. Their friendship is genuine, and they really want the best for each other.

Lena is not an innocent. Like Ivy she knows exactly how to play men, and make them do what she wants. Jeremy doesn't have her guile, and by the time they have sex, he's completely under her spell. So if you play her as a bad girl, it's 75% her leading Jeremy on. When you play that scene, you know Jeremy is going to regret it. Whereas Lena doesn't, because that's the moment she realises that her and Ian have no future together.

 

[varpep]

I've killed literally millions of people in fantasy games, but so far nobody in real life

Ha! Noob! I've unalived Quadrillions of peasants across all games I've played and terrorized countless numbers of ant colonies in real life while still in the early years of my infancy! Get on my level!

PS. Cheating blows

 

[SearingFive]

I don't really like Jeremy betraying Ian, because ultimately they're best friends. On the surface, you'd think they were chalk and cheese. But the reality is, that they're real bros, and Ian can talk about stuff with Jeremy, that he just can't with say Perry. Their friendship is genuine, and they really want the best for each other.

Lena is not an innocent. Like Ivy she knows exactly how to play men, and make them do what she wants. Jeremy doesn't have her guile, and by the time they have sex, he's completely under her spell. So if you play her as a bad girl, it's 75% her leading Jeremy on. When you play that scene, you know Jeremy is going to regret it. Whereas Lena doesn't, because that's the moment she realises that her and Ian have no future together.

They do make a solid bro team and Lena had the decency to not go into a serious relationship with Ian if she fooled around with Jeremy.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

They do make a solid bro team and Lena had the decency to not go into a serious relationship with Ian if she fooled around with Jeremy.

Honestly, in a porn game, you expect values, hahahah, then especially from someone like Jeremy, I could understand from someone else but asking Jeremy to be corrected, it's like asking the Devil to become Holy. Ian too weak and kind, Lena the game slut.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Luckily for me I chose never to pair Ian-Lena together, a relationship that had already failed from the start was foreseeable, other paths would be better.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I am just calling it as it is. "None of them is better than the other", that's what I'm calling it! What is it that you do not understand in it? I would be happy to help you understand it!
But you are clearly portraying Jeremy as less evil than Ian so, Here I go:



You really think that the problems between WadexCindy are new? No! The game starts with them. They spent at the very least a few months with those problems. And WadexCindy know too that if things don't workout soon they will breakup as Ian do. You can see Cindy's started taking action to get things straight or end(Arranging birthday, get-togethers encouraging Wade to do/try other things). On the other hand Wade didn't do shit in response to Cindy's efforts. Dude is not even earning money IIRC. Birthday party was last straw that Wade broke.



And Where did I deny it? Both betrayed, Ian did dirty to Wade and Jeremy to Ian. None of them is better than the other.



Oh so Jeremy was helping IanxLena when he was just having "fun", my bad. You don't simply fall in pussy cut the crap! I can say same that Ian was also having a bit of fun, he was not trying to separate WadexCindy, even if Ian believes their relationship is doomed. No matter how you try to JUSTIFY Jeremy, but the truth is Jeremy did at the very least same damage to IanxLena as Ian did to WadexCindy.

But I dare and say that Jeremy did more damage compared to what Ian did to WadexCindy as IanxLena were not on the verge of breaking up but just gotten together in a relationship. Now how will you justify this?



Still doesn't disprove the fact. I can say same about Ian he was weak in that moment too(birthday party)and now he can't make himself quit same as Jeremy couldn't tell Ian bcz he is WEAK!

Cindy was weak in her emotions, she was craving support, care both emotionally and physically And where was Jeremy weak, in his dick? I said it before and will say it again "You don't simply fall in pussy". And tell me again why did Jeremy didn't tell Ian, I am sure there was plenty of time for him to say to Ian "Bro you girl is throwing fishing nets on me!", he didn't tell shit to Ian. Even Ian was feeling guilty after mingling with Cindy. Being Guilty doesn't change the fact that he is a cheater same as Jeremy.

Being Guilty doesn't do shit if you already committed the action as now your action cannot be reversed.

"None of them is better than the other"
Hope that helps you to understand!

Peace!

I can assure you, I'm not generally trying to portray Ian as evil. I love Ian as a character, as much as I love Lena, Cindy, Emma, Alison, Ivy, Holly and Jessica. But Cindy is his dark side moment, just as it's possibly his most passionate moment in the whole game. In that moment, he becomes everything that he despises, to pursue Cindy. He's doing exactly the same thing, that his previous girlfriend did to him. That's portrayed by everybody who knows Ian, as an evil act. So is Ian being any less evil himself?

But you're wrong about Jeremy. By having sex with Lena, he ultimately doesn't cause any damage at all. Because that's the moment, that Lena decides her and Ian have no future. When they have the talk, Lena says she doesn't want to be his girlfriend. So I'm not sure why you're suggesting they're in a relationship? As soon as Lena decides to have sex with Jeremy, she knows she can't have a relationship with Ian.

They only have a future, if Lena and Jeremy don't have sex. By the time it happens, it's already gone.

 

[SearingFive]

Honestly, in a porn game, you expect values, hahahah, then especially from someone like Jeremy, I could understand from someone else but asking Jeremy to be corrected, it's like asking the Devil to become Holy. Ian too weak and kind, Lena the game slut.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Luckily for me I chose never to pair Ian-Lena together, a relationship that had already failed from the start was foreseeable, other paths would be better.

They don't actually have to fail. That only happens if you let them.

 

[dolfe67]

I think the most hard done to person in this game is Robert. He's nowhere near as bad, as a lot of people make him out to be. He genuinely wants to be Lena's boyfriend, and he pretty much worships the ground she walks on. He just has this one issue with Perry early on, which Ian takes exception to. But to be fair, Perry often does some pretty daft stuff, and was just as drunk as Robert was at the time, and equally at fault. People who are drunk often do daft things, but it doesn't make them into bad people. Plus that was a pretty bad evening for Robert, having just been beaten up by Axel, after he defended Lena.

Ian totally overreacts and literally labels Robert as scum, on the basis of one poor drunken decision.

Robert tried to blackmail Lena though: date me and I'll speak good words to keep your job. He's not bad but not good either

Plus, he has a bland personality, he's not interesting at all, even more in a porn game.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Robert tried to blackmail Lena though: date me and I'll speak good words to keep your job. He's not bad but not good either

Plus, he has a bland personality, he's not interesting at all, even more in a porn game.

He doesn't blackmail her. If she doesn't go out for a drink with him, he doesn't speak up for her. I mean why would he? You do stuff like that for people you're friendly with, not for people that you're not.

And a bland personality hardly makes you a bad person, does it?

 

[SearingFive]

Robert tried to blackmail Lena though: date me and I'll speak good words to keep your job. He's not bad but not good either

Plus, he has a bland personality, he's not interesting at all, even more in a porn game.

When Sen insulted Robert at the nightclub; it was hilarious LMAO.

 

[ffive]

He doesn't blackmail her. If she doesn't go out for a drink with him, he doesn't speak up for her. I mean why would he?

Any reasonable person realizes the "going out for a drink" is only official part of what Robert is really demanding from Lena in exchange for his favor. He proves as much starting to make moves on her at first opportunity. And the idea that one has no reason to speak up in defense of someone without having something to personally gain from it, especially if that "something" is sex with person who has been turning them down for weeks if not months, is frankly, vile.

What about speaking up to help someone in need out of basic, common decency? You know, the very thing Robert apparently lacks?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Any reasonable person realizes the "going out for a drink" is only official part of what Robert is really demanding from Lena in exchange for his favor. He proves as much starting to make moves on her at first opportunity. And the idea that one has no reason to speak up in defense of someone without having something to personally gain from it, especially if that "something" is sex with person who has been turning them down for weeks if not months, is frankly, vile.

What about speaking up out of basic, common decency? You know, the very thing Robert apparently lacks?

He doesn't demand to have sex with her, in order to speak up. He tells her he'll do that, before anything happens between the two of them. The fact that you seem to believe that, demonstrates to me that you don't like Robert as character, and that's making you attribute stuff to him that never happened. You really should go back and play the content again.

He makes moves on her, because he fancies her. How else is he supposed to ask her out? You act like that's something obscene?

You say common decency. But there has to be a reason, why he should favour her over the other woman, who has worked there longer. If they have no connection, why would he do that?

 

[Christ P Bacon]

alison new scene is just reuse of her older scene smh

 

[Xupuzulla]

He doesn't demand to have sex with her, in order to speak up. He tells her he'll do that, before anything happens between the two of them. The fact that you seem to believe that, demonstrates to me that you don't like Robert as character, and that's making you attribute stuff to him that never happened. You really should go back and play the content again.

He makes moves on her, because he fancies her. How else is he supposed to ask her out? You act like that's something obscene?

You say common decency. But there has to be a reason, why he should favour her over the other woman, who has worked there longer. If they have no connection, why would he do that?

Is this Evakiss alt account or something?
What you think about Stan and Seymour,Zara?

 

[x6XDanteX9x]

Another amazing game from an obviously amazing story crafter. EvaKiss is pure gold. This game is so good.

 

[ffive]

He doesn't demand to have sex with her, in order to speak up. He tells her he'll do that, before anything happens between the two of them. The fact that you seem to believe that, demonstrates to me that you don't like Robert as character, and that's making you attribute stuff to him that never happened.

No, what happens to make me believe it is the fact if Lena rejects his advances which he initiates afterwards he doesn't put the word in for her like he said he would. His demand is carried through his actions and the consequences, not his words.

"I'll do you a favor" followed by getting handsy has clear implications to any adult who's worked with shit bosses. Why are we even pretending to be clueless about the nature of the deal here?

He makes moves on her, because he fancies her. How else is he supposed to ask her out? You act like that's something obscene?

How else was he supposed to ask her out? Maybe without making it a condition to tell her what he claimed was important information regarding her work? I'm acting like it was a sleazy piece of blackmail, because it was.

You say common decency. But there has to be a reason, why he should favour her over the other woman, who has worked there longer.

You are now inventing something that's not there (or reverting the timeline) It's not a matter of choosing between Lena and another woman when Lena and Robert spoke. Lena's contract was supposed to be reduced/cut due to the mess caused by Axel:

    r "It seems Samantha overheard the chef and the staff chief talking the other day."
    l "About what?"
    r "About you."
    l "About me? Why?"
    r "Well, Friday's incident made quite a ruckus. People are talking about it..."
    l "Oh, God..."
    r "And the chief wasn't too thrilled about what happened on Thursday's service when they had to send you home early."
    l "But that wasn't my fault! None of it was..."
    r "Of course not, but I guess they're not too pleased with your personal life interfering with work..."

At no point it is claimed that it's supposed to be some sort of a choice between two workers. The "other worker" only pops up later as excuse why Lena had to be let go.

Also, as for why he should put the word in for Lena instead of the other worker -- maybe simply on professional level, because Lena is the best waitress they have, according to Robert himself?

 

[| Vee |]

I can assure you, I'm not generally trying to portray Ian as evil. I love Ian as a character, as much as I love Lena, Cindy, Emma, Alison, Ivy, Holly and Jessica. But Cindy is his dark side moment, just as it's possibly his most passionate moment in the whole game. In that moment, he becomes everything that he despises, to pursue Cindy. He's doing exactly the same thing, that his previous girlfriend did to him. That's portrayed by everybody who knows Ian, as an evil act. So is Ian being any less evil himself?...

Whether you intentionally tried or not, your posts clearly imply that to which I replied with facts. I never mentioned even a SINGLE time that Ian is less evil than Jeremy or vice versa. Only thing on which IMO they differ is the extent of damage done to relationship.

...But you're wrong about Jeremy. By having sex with Lena, he ultimately doesn't cause any damage at all. Because that's the moment, that Lena decides her and Ian have no future. When they have the talk, Lena says she doesn't want to be his girlfriend. So I'm not sure why you're suggesting they're in a relationship? As soon as Lena decides to have sex with Jeremy, she knows she can't have a relationship with Ian.

They only have a future, if Lena and Jeremy don't have sex. By the time it happens, it's already gone.

If Lena doesn't have sex with Jeremy she can get in relationship with Ian so how can you say that Jeremy is NOT the reason of Lena not going for relationship with Ian. IF JEREMY HAS SEX WITH LENA SHE WILL NOT GO FOR A RELATIONSHIP WITH IAN. So by that logic, ultimately Jeremy IS the reason. What are you even you even trying to say here? Jeremy is clearly the reason.