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Does Lena get less salary (money points) if she shuts down Robert? If yes, then she was using Robert for money/employment and he used this to his advantage.
 

Zara Scarlet

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Ha! Noob! I've unalived Quadrillions of peasants across all game I've played and terrorized countless numbers of ant colonies in real life while still in the early years of my infancy! Get on my level!

PS. Cheating blows
Well I started late. I'm sure you've been doing it longer than me. I could just as easily have said thousands, and it would have made no difference to the point I was trying to make.

In any case, I've since discovered adult games, and I spend too much time making comments on this site, to bother with MMMOs anymore.

Let's see though. You've made 159 comments in almost 4 years, whereas I've made over 1400 in less than half that time. So who's the noob between us here?
 
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Does Lena get less salary (money points) if she shuts down Robert? If yes, then she was using Robert for money/employment and he used this to his advantage.
If Lena shuts down Robert she's let go from the work. If she goes along with his sexual advances she gets to keep (part of) her job for a while longer. She doesn't get paid less/more before it happens, until that point she's repeatedly turned down his attempts to ask her out:
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                    l "Sorry, Robert, but I'll pass."
                    r "Why?"
                    l "For the same reason, I've passed all the other times you proposed the same thing."
 
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Zara Scarlet

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Whether Lena gets her hours reduced or is let go has everything to do with Robert. It literally hinges on how the interactions between them play out:
Python:
    r "Lena, I have to talk to you..."
    if v2_robert_home or lena_robert_sex_late:
        l "You have news about my job situation?"
        r "Yes, we just had the meeting."
        l "So?"
        r "Well, there's good news and bad news."
        l "Bad news?"
        r "The good news is that they won't fire you."
// ...
    else:
//...
        r "Your contract is not being renewed. We're gonna let you go at the end of the month."
That's also how i know Robert doesn't put in a word for Lena, if they don't have sex. Because the outcome is different based on whether they do or not.


Robert explicitly brings it up before the "date" if Lena refuses his initial request. And he explicitly denies telling her until she agrees to go with him, if she asks him to tell her about it. That scenario is effectively a blackmail on Robert's part, if Lena isn't open to his advances from the get-go.

Simply put, Robert shows his scummy nature if he doesn't get things his way. That he doesn't reveal it if he does get things his way doesn't make him any less of a scum.


This is literally the "'nice guy' thinks girl owes him [sex] for him being nice" mindset and the kind of thing people shit on Robert for. No, Lena isn't inconsiderate not wanting to go with Robert's sleazy request, no matter how he's acted before. And his request isn't any less sleazy due to it, if anything, that makes it even more of a turn off.
Lena deals with Robert. At that stage she's not supposed to know that or the players for that matter, that Seynour is pulling all the strings. Are you saying he isn't responsible for reducing her hours? If Lena rejects Seymour's offer, he lets her know that he was behind everything. Because he wants her to know the power he can exert over her life. We might have learnt about it through her interactions with Robert, but he wasn't responsible for it. That's all Seymour. It doesn't matter whether there are two completely different outcomes, because Robert is not behind either of them. That's Seymour. The only part that Robert plays is determining which of the outcomes you get, depending on how your interaction with him played out. One leads to Lena getting sacked much sooner, and one later. But the outcome is ultimately the same. Whether Robert says something or he doesn't makes no difference. Because Seymour always wanted her out of that job. We're led to believe that it's down to Robert, because we're not supposed to know until later, that it was actually down to Seymour. So obviously it doesn't say that in the text, since that would have given the game away

You say she only goes with him, because he says that's the only way he'll tell her the important information, and that's demonstration in your mind of him blackmailing her. So what about the bit where he gives her a perfectly reasonable explaination why he can't reveal that information in the workplace. Because he's not supposed to even know about it. Oh yeah guys, I deliberately spied on you, so I could overhear confidential information, and then I told everyone else about it. You can imagine how well that would go down, with the staff chief? Lena wouldn't be the only one looking for a new job. Robert is just being cautious. I don't see anything unreasonable about that. Are you saying that's an impossible scenario? And maybe, just maybe, there's a possibility you might have misconstrued what that actually meant?

I think you don't like Robert as a character, and you're determined to see him in a negative light. And that's what you're seeing. Yes, Robert has his faults. He gets the wrong end of the stick about Lena, and too easily believes that she likes him. And what he wants, she wants as well. Really, he just gets a bit carried away. Sometimes he can behave arrogantly, and he's got a bit of a short fuse. But these things don't make him a bad person, they just make him a bit of an idiot. You could make similar accusations against Perry and Wade who also make a lot of daft decisions during the game. But I bet you don't respond so negatively to them?
 

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If Lena shuts down Robert she's let go from the work. If she goes along with his sexual advances she gets to keep (part of) her job for a while longer. She doesn't get paid less/more before it happens, until that point she's repeatedly turned down his attempts to ask her out:
Python:
                    l "Sorry, Robert, but I'll pass."
                    r "Why?"
                    l "For the same reason, I've passed all the other times you proposed the same thing."
That wasn't anything particularly to do with Robert. She doesn't want to go out with anybody before that. Because she's still wary because of what happened with Axel. The fact is, Robert is the first person she dates. And you can make all kinds of claims about Robert blackmailing her. But isn't it strange that she never views it that way? I mean after all, she's only the person it's supposedly happening to. I suppose next, you're going to claim that Robert has her brainwashed, so she just can't see it, the way you can? Robert is such a smart guy, that he manages to pull the wool so effectively over Lena's eyes, that she never gets it?

So you point out in the game, where Lena mentions that Robert is attempting to blackmail her, and I'll believe you.
 
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Cindy has always made me think of Nancy Ace. I presumed she was based on her.

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There is a gif of a girl around here in this thread that she is completely naked but first thing you look at is her face. I am not sure that one is Nancy Ace but she was identical to Cindy. Whoever she was I think she is the one.
 

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For my playthrough dealing with Robert is neutral. I entertain him by going on the date and turning down his advances. Bro is not getting laid just on a first date. ;) He can throw a hissy fit; as if that matters. How delusional can Robert be; just because he took a punch, made him have a VIP pass for Lena's Hoohah? Reeks of desperation to be honest. He can go to the corner of a room with Stan and beat each other meats, while Lena makes her Stalkfap content with Ian/Mike in the same room.
 

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Whether Robert says something or he doesn't makes no difference.
The point was you wanted a proof that Robert's actions depend on whether Lena sleeps with him or not. And it's right there, in the game script. He also has, evidently, some degree of impact on how long Lena keeps her job. It does make a difference whether Lena gets to work for a while longer or not, as a result of Robert's action or lack thereof. At least in the discussed context of Robert having impact on Lena's ability to keep working (if for a few weeks longer) at the restaurant.

So what about the bit where he gives her a perfectly reasonable explaination why he can't reveal that information in the workplace.
You might view it as perfectly reasonable, i view it as bullshit excuse. "Samantha overheard the chief of staff isn't pleased with the trouble you've caused" isn't some sort of state secret, and no one would give two shits about such reveal. Robert isn't being cautious, he's just withholding the info to get Lena where he wants -- to the bar where he then tries to get her drunk instead of actually tell her the thing he was oh-so-cautious not to reveal at work.

I think you don't like Robert as a character, and you're determined to see him in a negative light.
I don't like Robert based on him demonstrating himself to be a shit character who tries to pressure Lena into something she has repeatedly told him she isn't interested in, and on his displayed attitude of the "nice guy" who is in reality anything but. Neither Perry nor Wade act in the manner Robert does, so i definitely disagree these three are somehow on the same level. Perry is clueless and socially stunted, and Wade is lazy af (potentially depressed, idk) while Robert is genuine creep.
 
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For my playthrough dealing with Robert is neutral. I entertain him by going on the date and turning down his advances. Bro is not getting laid just on a first date. ;) He can throw a hissy fit; as if that matters. How delusional can Robert be; just because he took a punch, made him have a VIP pass for Lena's Hoohah? Reeks of desperation to be honest. He can go to the corner of a room with Stan and beat each other meats, while Lena makes her Stalkfap content with Ian/Mike in the same room.
I understand, so while Lena is having a threesome with Ian and Mike (I'd like to see), Stan and Robert would be in the corner crying tears of cum from sadness and abstinence? :unsure: :unsure:
 

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The point was you wanted a proof that Robert's actions depend on whether Lena sleeps with him or not. And it's right there, in the game script. He also has, evidently, some degree of impact on how long Lena keeps her job. It does make a difference whether Lena gets to work for a while longer or not, as a result of Robert's action or lack thereof. At least in the discussed context of Robert having impact on Lena's ability to keep working (if for a few weeks longer) at the restaurant.


You might view it as perfectly reasonable, i view it as bullshit excuse. "Samantha overheard the chief of staff isn't pleased with the trouble you've caused" isn't some sort of state secret, and no one would give two shits about such reveal. Robert isn't being cautious, he's just withholding the info to get Lena where he wants -- to the bar where he then tries to get her drunk instead of actually tell her the thing he was oh-so-cautious not to reveal at work.


I don't like Robert based on him demonstrating himself to be a shit character who tries to pressure Lena into something she has repeatedly told him she isn't interested in, and on his displayed attitude of the "nice guy" who is in reality anything but. Neither Perry nor Wade act in the manner Robert does, so i definitely disagree these three are somehow on the same level. Perry is clueless and socially stunted, and Wade is lazy af (potentially depressed, idk) while Robert is genuine creep.
You say that the proof is there, But where does Lena say in the game that she's being blackmailed by Robert? Never mind say it, where does she even hint it? After all she's the person you're claiming Robert is attempting to blackmail. Wouldn't she be making a big deal about that? Somewhere?

Lena is an intelligent girl. Much more intelligent than Robert is. There's no way he could do that, without her realising it?
Now we may have gone all around the houses, discussing all the hypothetical reasoning behind your belief that Robert is a scumbag, because he effectively blackmails Lena, or at least attempts to, to get her on a date and hopefully into bed. But what it all boils down to, is where is the real evidence? When does Lena say that he was blackmailing her, to take advantage of her, as you claim? Where does she even give the briefest indication, that that's what she believed Robert was doing?
 

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You say that the proof is there, But where does Lena say in the game that she's being blackmailed by Robert? Never mind say it, where does she even hint it? After all she's the person you're claiming Robert is attempting to blackmail. Wouldn't she be making a big deal about that? Somewhere?

Lena is an intelligent girl. Much more intelligent than Robert is. There's no way he could do that, without her realising it?
Now we may have gone all around the houses, discussing all the hypothetical reasoning behind your belief that Robert is a scumbag, because he effectively blackmails Lena, or at least attempts to, to get her on a date and hopefully into bed. But what it all boils down to, is where is the real evidence? When does Lena say that he was blackmailing her, to take advantage of her, as you claim? Where does she even give the briefest indication, that that's what she believed Robert was doing?
She doesn't outright say it, because it really don't need to be said. It's pretty clearly coersion, or at the very least tit for tat, that anyone that has gone through anysort of workplace sexual harrasment training for a job should understand.
 
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