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- Dec 4, 2017
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1 Will, baby. Eva patched the controversial scene. The Will requirement kinda balances it out.
- Dec 27, 2018
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yeah it would be nice to have the option, or a threesome with one of the other guys.
Lena meets Wade and Cindy for the first time this patch. She thinks Wade is good looking but has questionable clothes and a bit of a belly.
Maybe we can pair up Lena with Wade. This way I won't feel bad for pairing Ian with Cindy, and it gives Lena a good guy in her life since wade seems pretty cool.
Maybe we can pair up Lena with Wade. This way I won't feel bad for pairing Ian with Cindy, and it gives Lena a good guy in her life since wade seems pretty cool.
- Nov 5, 2018
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Or Wade can watch as Cindy has some fun with various people!
- Nov 5, 2018
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Absolutely! Girls get to have it so why not boys too? Eva's talented enough to make it work, I'm sure.
- Apr 26, 2017
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I can only imagine the amount of salty crybabies tears were this to happen.
Yeah, that's true! Althought that kind of attitude puzzles me. I mean, I'm not at all into gay stuff, but as long as I can avoid it and not be forced to see it, I'm cool with it. I don't get people who get all angry about optional content in games that they can simply avoid seeing. I mean, must be just for the sake of having something to complain about, right?
- Jul 6, 2017
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What cant you guys understand about it?
its pretty simple... updates take an average of 1 month.. YOu wait 1 month for a content that you dont want AT ALL, of course ppl are going to get pissed.
I think the hatred would be minor if she decided to add it in like, a last DLC before finishing the game.
But since her main audience is against it.. i think it wouldnt be a wise move to add that.
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Except it doesn't work like that with Eva. She never add just one road, so knowing her if she added a gay path, first there would be some build up before it delivers anything, secondly the update including gay buttsex wouldn't be about just that, there would still be some other scenes with other characters.
So yeah, in the end, people complaining are still crybabies. I can assure you we'd get an avalanche of outcries with "Ian is such a cuck he became gay" "why is Ian a bottom ?" "why is Ian a top ?" etc etc...
The same way people complain about avoidable NTR in games, or any other stuff that trigger them for no reason.
edit : also just because YOU don't want it doesn't mean the main audience doesn't want it. I think you'd be surprised : first of all it seems there's more women playing this game than other usual VN, and most fans of this seems open-minded.
So I don't think all hell would break loose if she were to make Ian bi-curious.
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The reason why you can have lesbian content for the female MC, but ignore gay content for the male, is the same reason that Brazzers have lesbian scenes, but no gay scenes. To an overwhelming degree, Eva's audience is male, and men are quite interested in seeing women have sex, but not so much men having sex. While I cannot rule out the possibility that a somewhat significant number of people would vote for the inclusion of gay content, I think these votes would be "alibi votes", i.e. generic yes-ses because more variety is good. However, if you were to phrase the option as gay content coming at the expense of other content, I think it will become apparent what people really want.
That is also what it boils down to for me. We are already limited in the amount of content that can be included in each update, and it is already clear that the complexity of this game will surpass that of GGGB. It is not worth sacrificing variety, content, possibilities and meaningfull interactions in what is already there for the inclusion of something only a select group of people could enjoy. I would have no interest supporting that, and I would be extremely disappointed if, by the time an update rolls out, a part of it is completely irrelevant, especially when that time could have been spent perfecting or enhancing another route.
That is also what it boils down to for me. We are already limited in the amount of content that can be included in each update, and it is already clear that the complexity of this game will surpass that of GGGB. It is not worth sacrificing variety, content, possibilities and meaningfull interactions in what is already there for the inclusion of something only a select group of people could enjoy. I would have no interest supporting that, and I would be extremely disappointed if, by the time an update rolls out, a part of it is completely irrelevant, especially when that time could have been spent perfecting or enhancing another route.
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That's what I have a hard time to understand. How is it sacrificing variety, content, possibilities by adding yet ANOTHER path ???
It was the same (bad) excuses with gay wedding. "Oh but my rights for marriage". They're not taking anything away from you, we're just adding more rights to more people. It would be exactly the same with adding some bi-curious/gay path for Ian.
Why is it that some people think it has to be done at the exclusion of anything else ?
Is it because you'd have to show a little bit more patience to get what YOU are interested by ? But what about those who'd like to get that stuff ?
I'm not interested by it. Frankly, gay sex is not my thing, I've never been gay curious and I wouldn't play that path if it were to be available. But would I support it if Eva decided to include it ? Of course yes. First, it's her game, she gets to decide what's in it. Secondly, I'm all for variety. If some are interested (and it looks like there is interest judging by the last couple of comments) I say go for it !
- Dec 27, 2018
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unfortunately a lot of people are selfish and feel if something Is happening which doesn’t benefit them it’s either not worth it or shouldn’t happen.
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You sacrifice those attributes in other routes. Eva has already mentioned multiple time how she had to cut content and ideas out of GGGB because of its great complexity, and that that was also why some characters essentially disappeared. When you are working with limitied resources, everything comes with an opportunity cost. Do you really have a hard time understanding that, if, for example, Eva didn't develop the thug route in GGGB, that time could have been directly employed in improving some other route?
Your gay marriage parallell is bizarre, the development of an adult game and human rights are not comparable at all. Granted, I was not invested in the gay marriage debate, but I highly doubt the most pronounced argument against it was that it was impeding on heterosexuals' right to get married.
It has to be done at the exclusion of something, either content or quick updates. You're right in that Eva could simply spend a longer time on the project to include more things, but at some point, I also think she wants to finish it. I mean, there was a reason why she cut ideas out of GGGB, because at some point you have to draw the line so you don't keep going for all eternity. You're also right in saying that I wouldn't want to wait longer for the current content we have and that I like. I simply don't think that tradeoff is worth it for something only smaller group would enjoy. "What about those who'd like to get that stuff?", you ask. Well, what about those who want to see Ian turned into a girl? What about those who wants to see beastiality? What about those who want to see scat? You can call me selfish all you want, but the game cannot appeal to every single fetish or sexual preference.
Some people are for it, yes. I don't know how representative those people are of the whole population, though. Certainly, if you only follow the media, it would seem impossible that someone like Trump could ever be president, yet still, he clearly has enormous support by the people in the U.S. And as I said before, I doubt how many people would vote for a gay route when it is contrasted to longer update times or an exclusion of other content.
Of course, Eva will be the one to ultimately decide, at which point I and the rest of her patrons will decide on what they want to do with their pledge.
- Dec 4, 2017
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You see, that is true for ALL optional content that is (or going to be) in the game. It will be enjoyed by only a select group of people. In GGGB I didn't enjoy the Thug or Bimbo routes and probably won't be able to enjoy them, so it means I'm only experiencing 1/3 of the content. I'm sure there are people who were the opposite, and chose to go for Bad Girl Ash only, and trailed off from the Good Ash path pretty early on. The same is true for this game.
Just go back a couple of pages to see lots of arguing whether they prefer Ian or Lena. Most of the people enjoy both, but there are quite a few people who prefer only Ian and aren't interested in Lena's content (or just don't like the fact that she's playable), and those who are only here for Lena and skip most of the Ian's scenes. Someone is going to like Alison/Emma/Holly, others won't. Somebody is going to play as slutty model Lena, others will opt for a caring songwriter. Robert is pretty much universally disliked character, yet there are quite a few scenes with him, because why not. I'm certain not many would complain if we could trade some development time from Robert's route for at least one gay or bi route for Ian.
So, it all comes down to whether Eva herself would like to include this type of content or not. Or, state that Ian is strictly heterosexual and put the end to this subject. I'll be fine either way.